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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 16, 2018 18:02:04 GMT -5
I'm sure everyone has heard the accusations by now. I'm torn. In the wake of the Me Too movement we've gone from one terrible extreme to another: sexual assult/rape/etc. was essentially tolerated and now accusations are accepted as proof of guilt. I don't want to believe it but that could definitely be skewing my opinion. I don't know what to think about this one.
To his credit, Chris Hardwick has denied the allegations.
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Post by King Richius on Jun 16, 2018 18:15:46 GMT -5
This is sad news. I like him, both on Talking Dead and his stand up. But I have a zero tolerance for men who abuse women. He's already losing work because of the allegations. I hope he is telling the truth and can get things back on track.
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Post by LK3 on Jun 16, 2018 18:23:31 GMT -5
Not a clue. What’s the deal?
I haven’t heard much of anything about him since At Midnight ended.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 16, 2018 20:44:20 GMT -5
Not a clue. What’s the deal? I haven’t heard much of anything about him since At Midnight ended. His ex posted an article about him that doesn't call him out by name but it's very thinly veiled. She accused him of some pretty serious mental and sexual abuse. One of things I found suspect was that she referred to him as a "mildly successful podcaster." It could mean nothing, or this could be a bitter ex. I really don't know what to think about this.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 16, 2018 21:39:02 GMT -5
I like his work especially like him on Talking Dead I hope its not true but if it is imo he'll get what he deserves. I just hope if he's innocent it doesn't ruin his career like we seen before when things like this are said.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Jun 16, 2018 21:47:53 GMT -5
I guess the industry will now single him out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 22:44:15 GMT -5
It's an outrage that we are even able to have this discussion, with no real accusation made, no trial, no conviction, a man's name is dragged through the mud. What if he's innocent? Mud sticks. Some of the people that falsely make these allegations need as harsher treatment if false, as the accused would get if they were convicted. The worst are those that pop up after the accused is dead, I have no time for those people. If it is true then I'm sure he'll get his, but we shouldn't really even know about it yet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 13:45:58 GMT -5
I guess the industry will now single him out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 13:52:08 GMT -5
Can we wait until it's proven before he gets stripped of his livelihood for cripesakes?!
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Post by Sting on Jun 18, 2018 7:39:43 GMT -5
It's an outrage that we are even able to have this discussion, with no real accusation made, no trial, no conviction, a man's name is dragged through the mud. What if he's innocent? Mud sticks. Some of the people that falsely make these allegations need as harsher treatment if false, as the accused would get if they were convicted. The worst are those that pop up after the accused is dead, I have no time for those people. If it is true then I'm sure he'll get his, but we shouldn't really even know about it yet Agreed. Lots of people losing their jobs over what turns out to be false allegations. Enzo Amore for one. The accusers, if they turn out to be liars, should be punished equally as hard.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jun 18, 2018 10:57:57 GMT -5
Sadly that cant happen. Because once your name is brought up now, the court of public opinion will ruin your career, before anything legal will happen.
One of my good buddies has a successful television show, and podcast, and his friend was accused of misdeeds, and all it took was being accused and that friend lost his tv show, and hasn't acted in a couple years. Which has cost him millions of dollars. All because he was accused.
Do I think the guys that do these acts should get what's coming to them? Of course. But I think journalism needs to do a better job investigating these incidents, before just throwing them out so they can be the first one to get "the scoop". Once you open pandoras box, you cant go back and close it. The damage is already done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 11:15:01 GMT -5
Another case that riles me is in the UK, there's a tv presenter, John Leslie, in court for apparently putting his hand down a woman's trousers or dress whatever, now he's been named in the case, but the woman, "who cannot be named for legal reasons" may be making it up, yet his name is dragged through the mud, again. The judicial system stinks
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Post by havoc7179 on Jun 18, 2018 11:31:14 GMT -5
It's an outrage that we are even able to have this discussion, with no real accusation made, no trial, no conviction, a man's name is dragged through the mud. What if he's innocent? Mud sticks. Some of the people that falsely make these allegations need as harsher treatment if false, as the accused would get if they were convicted. The worst are those that pop up after the accused is dead, I have no time for those people. If it is true then I'm sure he'll get his, but we shouldn't really even know about it yet Agreed. Lots of people losing their jobs over what turns out to be false allegations. Enzo Amore for one. The accusers, if they turn out to be liars, should be punished equally as hard. There's a Law and ORder CSI episode from a while ago that is somewhat similar. A coach on a reality show is accused of being a child molester. Gang mentality ensues, and other children who were former students begin to come forward. Eventually it's unearthered that they were lying for variety fo reasons, and that the first two who came forward were making up a story to get back at him for dropping them as students. In the end, the coach tells the CSI team that when he was accused he had hundreds of news reporters following him, yet now that he was acquitted, not one camera is on him. The two liars get probation. He tells them his career is over and it basically is. That's the issue with this. News reporters only cover the accusations as its juicier than a not guilty.
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Jun 18, 2018 13:19:04 GMT -5
One of things I found suspect was that she referred to him as a "mildly successful podcaster." It could mean nothing, or this could be a bitter ex. I really don't know what to think about this. "I watched and supported him as he grew from a mildly successful podcaster to a powerhouse CEO of his own company." I don't sense any shade there.
His ex's full esssay for those who haven't read: medium.com/@skydart/rose-colored-glasses-6be0594970ca As a fan of Hardwick, this was disheartening to read, but his weak rebuttal statement didn't ease matters. Of course, he denied the sexual assault, but he didn't really unequivocally deny his sh-tty, controlling behavior. Honestly, I found that part of the story more disturbing that the alleged sexual assault.
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Post by Darkhawk on Jun 18, 2018 15:14:52 GMT -5
Damn and to think Hardwick seems like a nice guy.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jun 18, 2018 15:19:30 GMT -5
Can we wait until it's proven before he gets stripped of his livelihood for cripesakes?! You mean the same way Patrick Kane had his name dragged through the mud, which saw him removed from the cover of NHL 16, and not even offered so much as an apology from EA for that indignity? It happens everywhere. Not saying everyone that makes accusations is a liar, but things happen in this country and nowadays you're ALWAYS guilty until proven innocent.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 18, 2018 15:48:51 GMT -5
I think you have to look at all sides here. Clearly she was abused mentally and likely physically by hardwick. However, he is a public figure, and you enter a contract when you are with a member of media/celebrity. Anything you say and do is an endorsement on them. The whole sex on demand part, meh... Alot of people make that joke with their other half. You can thank 50 Shades wet clumps of cash it made in the box office to this becoming a non issue. Him being a recovering alcoholic makes the “no drinking” rule completely understandable.
Honestly, we have heard her half. We will likley never hear his. But it seems he too, has suffered, and all of that is swept under the rug for being a accomplished white male. If you disagree with that, you clearly don’t pay attention to the media, or its outlets. This is a sad story on all accounts. But I have never heard or read s negative thing about Chris, from high end celebs nor closet deelling trolls before this incident. I think that should speak for itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 16:13:42 GMT -5
Can we wait until it's proven before he gets stripped of his livelihood for cripesakes?! You mean the same way Patrick Kane had his name dragged through the mud, which saw him removed from the cover of NHL 16, and not even offered so much as an apology from EA for that indignity? It happens everywhere. Not saying everyone that makes accusations is a liar, but things happen in this country and nowadays you're ALWAYS guilty until proven innocent. Was he proven innocent? I didn't hear about that one. But yeah,I know that's the way it is. It's f*ckin' Salem right now. I'm not going to slander Hardwick like a Twitter lemming just on accusation,though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 16:33:10 GMT -5
But y'know, I can also see how it looks on the company if they keep a celebrity on board and it turns out to be true. If it's false though,he needs to be reinstated.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jun 18, 2018 16:56:40 GMT -5
You mean the same way Patrick Kane had his name dragged through the mud, which saw him removed from the cover of NHL 16, and not even offered so much as an apology from EA for that indignity? It happens everywhere. Not saying everyone that makes accusations is a liar, but things happen in this country and nowadays you're ALWAYS guilty until proven innocent. Was he proven innocent? I didn't hear about that one. But yeah,I know that's the way it is. It's f*ckin' Salem right now. I'm not going to slander Hardwick like a Twitter lemming just on accusation,though. He was cleared when his accusor decided she no longer wanted to participate in the investigation. And someone had tampered with the DNA package she submitted. All charges were dropped after that.
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