MLB Regular Season Thread - June

[Jean-Ralphio]

I dont understand how you call him the ace with Jon Garland there.

We had this debate like 2 weeks ago, he is going to get overpaid or over traded for, he will be like a 3-4 starter in Boston. Frankly, I dont like the man, dont really wanan give him 15-16$ a year either or 2 of our top 5 prospects

[The Rug Man]

thugsuperstar said:

Joe Torre might be the dumbest manager on the planet.

Johnny Damon said that his ribs were finally starting to feel better when he went a day without hitting. So what does Joe Torre do? He uses him to pinch hit in 2/3 games in this series against SF.

He's had Clemens warm up 3 different times today and is going to use his 45-year-old starter with a history of groin problems as a reliever because it's his throw day.

He rests Posada and Abreu both on the same day, so we lose both of their bats in the lineup. Only to have them both pinch hit in the game anyway.

Honestly...this man is just an ass. I won't even get into why Wil Nieves still has a job in baseball. I'll save that rant for another day.

Thank God Im not the only Yankee Fan who thinks Torre is dumb. I agree with everything you said. 3 errors we cant even field anymore. WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE THIS OFFSEASON. TORRE OUT GIRARDI IN!

[Nash]

ralpho316 said:

I dont understand how you call him the ace with Jon Garland there.

We had this debate like 2 weeks ago, he is going to get overpaid or over traded for, he will be like a 3-4 starter in Boston. Frankly, I dont like the man, dont really wanan give him 15-16$ a year either or 2 of our top 5 prospects

Garland:
ERA: 3.51
Hits: 87
ER: 38
HR: 6
BB: 27
SO: 43

Buehrle:
ERA: 3.39
Hits: 81
ER: 35
HR: 13
BB: 17
SO: 60

I'm not going to post the W/L because the offense costed both of them games, but by these stats it shows that Buehrle should be given the title of ace of our staff.

[T R W]

stop fighting chipper and smoltzie

[Jean-Ralphio]

So Bueherle is the ace of one of the worst teams in baseball, got cha.

Proud moment here.

[bjd]

I don't understand how anyone can say Jon Garland is better than Mark Buehrle. They have both been around for a similar time frame, are close in age, and have thrown a similar amount of starts in their career, so its an easy comparison.

Pitcher A is 101-70 in 243 games(218 starts), has thrown 1521 innings, allowing 1554 hits, and 642 ER. He has struck out 888 batters, and walked 345, and pitched to a lifetime ERA of 3.80.

Pitcher B is 86-73 in 228 games(205 starts), has thrown 1317 2/3 innings, allowing 1350 hits, and 640 ER. He has struck out 706 batters, and walked 443, and pitched to a lifetime ERA of 4.37.

Tell me... which pitcher has had the better career?

If your answer is A, you've conceded to the fact that Mark Buehrle is the ace of the Chicago White Sox pitching staff, and has been since 2001.

[bjd]

ralpho316 said:

So Bueherle is the ace of one of the worst teams in baseball, got cha.

Proud moment here.

Yet continues to quietly be one of the best pitchers in the American League...

[LA Times]

ralpho316 said:

Why would Lowrie be untouchable? Lugo is still signed for 3 more years and so is Pedroia. Neither is going anywhere.

I meant the Red Sox shouldnt trade him because if your current SS is hitting below .200, they should at least have a more than capable backup. Yes, unfortunately Lugo isnt going anywhere and the Sox wouldnt even be able to trade him for foul line chalk dust at this point.

[Jimmy]

Garland and Buehrle are both "pitch to contact" guys and I don't think either one are any sort of ace.

[Nash]

bjd said:

I don't understand how anyone can say Jon Garland is better than Mark Buehrle. They have both been around for a similar time frame, are close in age, and have thrown a similar amount of starts in their career, so its an easy comparison.

Pitcher A is 101-70 in 243 games(218 starts), has thrown 1521 innings, allowing 1554 hits, and 642 ER. He has struck out 888 batters, and walked 345, and pitched to a lifetime ERA of 3.80.

Pitcher B is 86-73 in 228 games(205 starts), has thrown 1317 2/3 innings, allowing 1350 hits, and 640 ER. He has struck out 706 batters, and walked 443, and pitched to a lifetime ERA of 4.37.

Tell me... which pitcher has had the better career?

If your answer is A, you've conceded to the fact that Mark Buehrle is the ace of the Chicago White Sox pitching staff, and has been since 2001.

Thank You. What I have been trying to say the whole time but once Raplho "thinks" he's right everyone else is wrong.

[comebackkid]

ITS NASH AGAINST THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nash]

comebackkid said:

ITS NASH AGAINST THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you damn right.

[Jean-Ralphio]

Nash stop whining like a little girl, I never said any of you were wrong. I have stated over and over I dont like him, I think hes overrated and not an ace. I didnt fight and get into a huge argument over this.

I dont really care, the White Sox are terrible, he'd be better suited for the NL. Personally, Id rather not have him here.

OH MY GOD RALPHO THINKS HES ALQWAYS RIGHT WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHHHh

[bjd]

jimmy2 said:

Garland and Buehrle are both "pitch to contact" guys and I don't think either one are any sort of ace.

This is why no one sees him as a top flight pitcher. Because "sex sells." In baseball "sex" is strikeouts, and lighting up the radar gun with 93, 94, 95+. You don't have to strike out 200 batters, or hit 95 on the gun to be an "ace" or an effective pitcher. Aside from one terrible half season, Buehrle has been a pretty consistant pitcher, and a 3.20-3.80 ERA, which is his usual number is fantastic in the American League.

Buerhle has pitched 6 full seasons. He has been a three time all-star, finished in the top 5 cy young voting once(2005), finished top 5 in era 3 times(01, 04, 05), top 10 in wins 3 times(02, 04, 05), top 10 in WHIP 3 times(01, 04, 05), top 5 in shutouts and complete games 4 times, and probably most importantly- top 5 in innings pitched 4 times.

You can throw in a World Series, and a no-hitter... and the fact that he has the 18th highest ERA+ out of active pitchers. Better than notables- Andy Pettitte, Chris Carpenter, Ben Sheets, Tom Glavine, Jason Schmidt, Jon Garland, and a bunch of others...

So I don't know what your definition of an "Ace" is, but Mark Buehrle can pitch for my team any year.

[bjd]

My point is, Mark Buehrle has been a top 5 pitcher in the stronger offensive league for the past 6 seasons. How exactly does that not make him an "ace?" Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean they're not good... I certainly can't name too many more pitchers based on age, experience, and stuff that I'd rather have.

[Jean-Ralphio]

I dunno why we fight over Mark Buerhele, I hope he goes to the Rockies and tears a ballsack.

So anyways

Red Sox rule, Yankees drool.

[Kliff and the Brewers]

jimmy2 said:

mikeykliff said:

Corey Hart says you and hits a home run to tie it up.

Corey Hart's name is just one of many reasons I love baseball. If only he wore his sunglasses during night games he'd be my favorite baseball player ever.

Im going to send an email to them about having a "Corey Hart sunglasses Giveaway Night"

[Kliff and the Brewers]

yea everyones entitled to their own opinion, in ralphos case, everyone he has is correct.

[Jean-Ralphio]

What the hell are you talking about Turnblow kid??

I was right about Derrick Turnblown saves

I am not arguing about Buherle, go back wherever u came from and get off your horse. Let people believe what they want, I just do not like the guy

OMG GO BREWERS WEZ GONNA MAKE IT TO THE WOLDIRES ZERIE ANJ GET SWEPT BY DA YANKIOEOX LOL

[T R W]

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