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Post by gentlemanjohnny on Mar 28, 2018 2:16:39 GMT -5
Indy wrestlers and their fans have ruined wrestling. Women's wrestling is awful. I never want to see Brock lesnar again. Nakamura is the worst wrestler I've ever seen. Embarrassing. John Cena and The Miz are the most entertaining people in wrestling. Sheamus is criminally underated. Bray Wyatt has always been terrible and Luke Harper should have been pushed. Back stage agents have been abducted by aliens which explains the high number of finishing move kick outs, stupid flippy moves, and outright no selling seen in wrestling today.
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Post by King Richius on Mar 28, 2018 3:51:42 GMT -5
6) People only think NJPW is amazing because it's cool to like things that are technically underground. If NJPW was televised in the States, it'd be heavily criticized. NJPW is televised in the US on AXS. That's how I first came across it and started to enjoy it. Only after seeing NJPW on TV as well as seeing NJPW wrestlers on ROH TV shows did I seek out other sources of NJPW matches to increase my knowledge of the company and the wrestlers. I'm not in any way trying to start an argument or crap on your opinion, the first part of which you are perfectly entitled to and I respect. The second half is based on mis-information though and therefore suspect.
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Mar 28, 2018 4:44:19 GMT -5
- Jeff Hardy is one of the most charismatic wrestlers of all time. However he sucks at promos and is not good at all in the ring. I can't put my finger on it but there's just something he has that makes me want to root for him, always has been.
- The Rock is the GOAT entertainer in wrestling history but Punk beat him in a few promo fights and I absolutely hate Punk.
- CM Punk is a punk in real life and can't fight. But he has AJ Lee so he wins.
- ABA Undertaker is the best Undertaker ever. Second to Ministry of Darkness Undertaker when he feuded with Austin.
- Randy Orton has one of the best finishers ever.
- Legend Killer Orton > Any other Orton
- Edge > Christian Better talker, better Entertainer, not better in the ring.
- Dudleys are better than LOD and have a cooler finisher.
- ECW sucked.
- Triple H is one of the best ever to grace a mic or wrestling ring.
- Miz deserves to be WWE Champ.
- Sasha Banks is the ugliest female wrestler ever. Both her physical appearance and personality.
- The Golden Era was the most boring era of wrestling.
- Ultimate Warrior is the worst in ring performer of all time.
- HBK IS the best in ring performer of all time.
- Kane should have never been unmasked.
- AJ Styles was better in TNA
- The most interesting NJPW match only happened because of Jericho.
- Young Bucks are fun but overrated.
- I enjoy when wrestlers break kayfabe outside of work.
- I loved the invasion angle.
- Big Daddy V was entertaining.
- Marcus Cor Von had an awesome finisher.
- The Canadian Destroyer is an awesome finisher.
- MVP was really fun to watch.
- People crapon the AE but the wrestling Mount Rushmore is definitely Rock, Hogan, Austin and Cena or Triple H. 3 are from the AE.
- The Ruthless Aggression era built the most stars.
- Benoit deserves to be recognized by WWE as one of the most intense wrestlers of all time and one of the best mat wrestlers to ever lace up a pair of boots.
- Sting should have come to WWE sooner.
- Ready 2 Rumble is a hilarious movie.
- DX invading WCW was a work.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Mar 28, 2018 4:52:40 GMT -5
Let’s see if I have anymore....
Raven, not AJ Styles, Jeff Jarrett or Jerry Lynn, was the MVP of NWA-TNA year one. Which is amazing, considering how he had been used in WWE.
Billy Gunn had all of the tools to be a full time main event player. Road Dogg, had charisma but was beyond generic in ring and benefitted more from having Billy.
Kane should have had a long, solidifying run as wwf champion, after beating Austin in the first blood match. Also, the XPac stuff, while entertaining, killed almost all of his monster aura.
Lex Luger was solid in ring wise during his time. He wasn’t a technical wizard, but he was believable in what he did.
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Post by Vamp55 on Mar 28, 2018 4:57:55 GMT -5
NXT sucks
HBK can see around corners and thus has a unfair advantage in everything he does, yet Bret Hart has always been the better wrestler
MDT are the nerds from school and they are finally ‘taking it to the man’ .
WWE is incapable of producing a product that doesn’t focus on a McMahon
I would rather watch Goldberg spear Loki on a pool platform, then 2 acrobats on 205live
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Post by Vamp55 on Mar 28, 2018 4:59:20 GMT -5
Oh and the Ultinate Warrior is the most interesting/entertaining character of all time
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Post by blissfan4life on Mar 28, 2018 6:37:31 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior was overrated.
Kelly Kelly wasn't actually that bad of a wrestler.
Cena is a piece of crap and overrated.
Although I like Sasha, Alexa is more reliable as the lead female of the RAW's women division because Alexa doesn't try to kill herself the way Sasha does.
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Post by Stuart? on Mar 28, 2018 7:07:57 GMT -5
- The women's division is terrible and way too overhyped
- Randy Orton's in ring work is vastly underrated
- Christian has always been better than Edge
- The Invasion didn't suck as bad as people say it did
- The match between Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 1992 was far superior to the Ironman match and the Screwjob
- Roman Reigns is a great wrestler
- I love Dean Ambrose but he's been stale since 2014
- Natalya is one of the worst wrestlers I have ever seen and the fact that they use Bret to get a cheap pop for her really annoys me
- Matt Hardy V1 was better than Broken/Woken Matt Hardy
- WWE seriously needs to cut back on the amount of LED screens and lighting they use. I hate the set up they have now
- Cole vs Black was better than Gargano/Almas at the last Takeover show
- Enzo Amore had absolutely zero talent and should not have been employed in the first place
- Jinder Mahal hasn't got enough talent/charisma to be considered for a job with WWE let alone be the WWE Champion
- The Ruthless Aggression Era was better than the Attitude Era
- WrestleMania 9 was a fun show and not as bad as people say it was
- WrestleMania 19 is the best WrestleMania of all time
- CM Punk's rise to the top is the best thing to happen to wrestling in the last 10 years
- Samoa Joe was better in TNA/ROH
- Goldberg and Brock Lesnar should never have come back to WWE
- Pairing Kane with X Pac was a bad idea. He should have had a longer run with the title until dropping it to Mankind in late '98
- 1990-1992 was the best incarnation of The Undertaker
- The Rock's match with Cena should have been as it was advertised: Once in a Lifetime. WrestleMania 29's main event should have been John Cena vs CM Punk
- Finn Balor has some of the most bland promos as a face. He'll come into his element if/when they turn him heel
- John Cena is fantastic on the mic and pretty great in the ring
- 205 Live should have been kept separate from the main roster and they should have just kept taping it at Full Sail
- Michael Cole has not improved in the slightest
- Paul Bearer is one of the most underrated managers
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Post by Sizzle on Mar 28, 2018 8:13:45 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose was amazing in 2016. His feud with Styles was awesome and I loved his title run.
Undertaker was at his greatest in the 2000s as the deadpan/phenom, etc.
Becky Lynch is the best woman on the roster.
Bobby Roode's theme song is good but not the best theme song of all time like a lot of people think.
I prefer TNA Bobby Roode.
Impact Wrestling has been slept on for too long. They've been good for a while now and are getting great now.
Eli Drake is one of the best contemporary promo guys.
Bobby Lashley is underrated as hell.
Matt Hardy is going to go down as one of the greats because of his consistent reinventing of his character. Same goes for Jericho.
Kofi Kingston doesn't need a world title reign.
Shinsuke Nakamura should have won a singles title before going after the world title.
Tye Dillinger can only go as far as his "ten" chants let him.
ECW revolutionized the sport of wrestling.
Jinder Mahal is a decent midcarder but he should stay that way.
Cedric Alexander is by far the most boring cruiserweight.
Drew Gulak should have been in the tournament finals. He was one of the most popular cruiserweights in the 205 Live Enzo era and is still amazing today.
Triple H is amazing.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 28, 2018 9:28:43 GMT -5
Woken/Broken Hardy sucks
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Post by Kanenite on Mar 28, 2018 11:07:33 GMT -5
The Rusev Day stuff is lame and was always lame.
I don't actually mind Rusev as a mid card guy, but his whole gimmick being that he's the guy that says "It's Rusev day" over and over sucks and the chant is unfortunately over while he isn't. I still can't believe it has legs and people chant that.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Mar 28, 2018 11:47:31 GMT -5
Sasha Banks isn’t a good wrestler. I don’t see the hype with Alexa Bliss. Bayley is all-time bad on the mic. Cena only has great matches with great wrestlers. Stone Cold wasn’t a very good wrestler. Very sloppy. Big Show has been mishandled from the get go and a very underrated wrestler. NXT is extremely repetitive and basically WWE Indies. I don’t get the hype for Rusev. I’ve never thought Luke Harper is as great as the internet portrays him to be. Aleister Black is the best talent in NXT. Daniel Bryan is incredibly overrated and the fact he was considered the best in the world is laughable. CM Punk was miles better on the mic than in the ring and IMO the only reason he was good on the mic was because he tried to make everything seem like a shoot. Kane has been underutilized for 20 years. Women’s wrestling is sloppy and boring. Charlotte could wipe the floor with any female in WWE minus Asuka. Adam Cole is lackluster. Balor is bland and incredibly boring and an overrated wrestler. Kevin Owens is EXTREMELY overrated. Sami Zayn is annoying and overrated. The Uso’s are annoying. Becky Lynch isn’t that hot. The Hardy’s are meh. Always have been. Christian was better than Edge. New Day is the most entertaining tag team in decades. Barry Wyndham wasn’t that good. Bobby Roode is 100% meh in WWE. Drew Mcyintre isn’t that good. NXT is still WWE developmental. NJPW is way overrated. Kenny Omega is not the best in the world. Batista was the ing man. Undertaker is, hands down, the greatest of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 12:09:48 GMT -5
New Japan is overrated.
It's very good, but it's not the be-all and end-all.
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Mar 28, 2018 12:59:52 GMT -5
TNA Christian Cage > Any other WWE Christian
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Post by blissfan4life on Mar 28, 2018 13:56:26 GMT -5
The Rusev Day stuff is lame and was always lame. I don't actually mind Rusev as a mid card guy, but his whole gimmick being that he's the guy that says "It's Rusev day" over and over sucks and the chant is unfortunately over while he isn't. I still can't believe it has legs and people chant that. Its your Opinion I know but I'm pretty sure Rusev IS over not just the Rusev Day stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 13:57:54 GMT -5
Asuka shouldn't stay undefeated forever.
Ronda Rousey will get good in time.
WWE's product has mostly been bad since they killed their competition.
WWE draft shows suck!
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Post by J12 on Mar 28, 2018 14:54:04 GMT -5
Some more...
2006-2007 WWE is one of the worst stretches of time in WWE history, and only parts of 2008 are better (Wrestlemania, and the Michaels/Jericho feud.) 2009 is largely very bad as well.
Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn haven't been that good together.
Stephanie McMahon does harm to almost every segment she's in. (There are exceptions, see Ronda Rousey.)
Until/unless the market drastically shifts, Wrestlemania should never be held outside of North America.
"This Is Awesome"/"Fight Forever" and chants of that nature are the single worst thing happening in wrestling today.
The UK Championship should be done away with, especially with the new title forthcoming. The roster (what little there is) should just be absorbed into NXT.
The Cruiserweight division should be scrapped. Bring guys with potential to Raw and Smackdown, send others down to NXT. Weight limits in wrestling are pointless and stupid in 2018.
Dean Ambrose wasn't good in 2016, was a bad WWE Champion and shouldn't have won the title in the first place given where he was at that point. He didn't start to pick up steam again until he and Seth got back together.
Despite obvious improvements over many years in TNA, I don't need/want Lashley back in WWE.
"Old School" Raws and nostalgia shows are almost always horrible.
I get that The Young Bucks' whole shtick is over-the-top, corny self-awareness, but I still think they take themselves way too seriously.
Charlotte is an awful babyface.
WWE is not going to change nearly as much as most people think it will when Triple H takes over.
Goldberg beating Brock Lesnar was a mistake.
The Ultimate Warrior should not be celebrated. Period. Rename the award.
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Post by TheLastDude on Mar 28, 2018 15:04:34 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, and with more to come:The Mount Rushmore of professional wrestling is: Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Cena. The Undertaker is one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time. Randy Orton has always been terrible. Women's wrestling is boring, bland, and unbelievable for the most part. More from me:Finn Balor is boring. I want them to bring back cartoony characters. I'm sick of all the realism. At least with wrestlers portraying a character, you can get away with cringe-inducing storylines. Most of the TNA guys...were better in TNA. The Invasion wasn't as bad as it could have been...but it would have worked a hell of a lot better if Vince hadn't been bound and determined to get himself over. It should have been about the product, not his ego. He already won. Kane losing the WWF title back to Austin less than 24 hours later killed the character. People want to prop Taker up for his loyalty, but Taker never had to do the crapthat Vince made Kane do. Kane is the true hero. He deserved better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 15:18:32 GMT -5
More from me...
Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, Joey Ryan, and Chuck Taylor are vastly overrated.
Undertaker should never wrestle again.
Madusa winning the wcw cruiserweight title was good.
WWE should let Brock Lesnar go back to UFC.
Lucha underground is stupid.
The revival are understandably not getting a push.
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Post by havoc7179 on Mar 28, 2018 15:47:04 GMT -5
6) People only think NJPW is amazing because it's cool to like things that are technically underground. If NJPW was televised in the States, it'd be heavily criticized. NJPW is televised in the US on AXS. That's how I first came across it and started to enjoy it. Only after seeing NJPW on TV as well as seeing NJPW wrestlers on ROH TV shows did I seek out other sources of NJPW matches to increase my knowledge of the company and the wrestlers. I'm not in any way trying to start an argument or crap on your opinion, the first part of which you are perfectly entitled to and I respect. The second half is based on mis-information though and therefore suspect. I have a pretty decent tv package. I don't get that station. Could just be my provider. I'm fairly certain USA is a base level station for many packages. So while I can't say that my last statement is true anymore, i can say that I along with my community who subscribe to the same package or less than me don't have access to it.
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