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Post by BCizzle on Sept 22, 2015 1:20:17 GMT -5
He was good but not great. There's nothing wrong with that, a lot of guys are that way.
I would say HHH was also good but not great, with plodding matches, but he politicked like crazy and was shoved down our throats at every turn. Maybe Billy just didn't have enough of an ego to become a megastar.
He seems like a nice guy but kind of a goof. I loved the Outlaws, Billy had a fine career.
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Post by cmiller79 on Sept 22, 2015 3:27:36 GMT -5
Maybe they just didn't trust him cause he had a drug problem
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 22, 2015 3:45:23 GMT -5
He was a great wrestler, a great character who played his part well. He was one half of one of the most dynamic and successful tag-teams of all time... I don't think he really needs much more recognition. He didn't need to be a main eventer. The WWF had plenty, and he didn't quite fit the bill. NO BIG DEAL.
I liked him as an upper midcard guy who had a great look and athleticism. I was a fan. That was it.
It is stupid how you get people on here saying "He sucked" with nothing else said to back it up. It's that kind of bias crap that has no basis. Care to elaborate?
For me, I think the transition to "The One, Billy Gunn" just wasn't as good as before. Granted, the injury derailed him, but it didn't derail Austin or the Undertaker for when they came back. So was it him in particular, or was it the gimmick change that made him slip down the card? Basically 2000 was his last great year, which is a shame because he could have stayed in the upper midcard and I'd have been fine with it.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Sept 22, 2015 5:12:14 GMT -5
Maybe they just didn't trust him cause he had a drug problem Maybe.... all joking aside... Billy was a very good worker, had a bit of the "it factor" just not enough or seemingly the drive to work at his mic skills more and be a serious threat to the main event. Especially in that era.
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Post by Captain McKay on Sept 22, 2015 11:01:30 GMT -5
For the record, I never liked Billy Gunn. The character never clicked with me, outside of being one of the Outlaws. His singles stuff was never anything I wanted to see.
Can't knock his ability, athleticism, or success with the tag division. I never understood why so many people assume the only way to truly be "over" is to be the world champion. The Outlaws were EASILY the most over tag team of their time, selling merchandise on nearly the same level as Austin if I recall correctly. I've said before, there's NOTHING bad about being half of a great, well-known, respected tag team. It's not a blemish to Gunn's career that he's remembered more fondly for being an Outlaw than any of his singles stuff.
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Post by PVA on Sept 25, 2015 9:47:24 GMT -5
1: 2: Billy Gunn didn't flop out after The Rock program. Clearly The Rock was going to win, they just went with having Billy tag with Road Dogg again after SummerSlam. But the reason they decided to tag him with road dogg after summerslam was because he lost momentum and fans were indifferent to him in his singles program with the rock (he flopped) so they put him back where he was good at; being half of the NAO. They would have kept him in singles if people cared. Perhaps booking and a different first opponent would of helped.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 25, 2015 12:38:23 GMT -5
1: 2: Billy Gunn didn't flop out after The Rock program. Clearly The Rock was going to win, they just went with having Billy tag with Road Dogg again after SummerSlam. But the reason they decided to tag him with road dogg after summerslam was because he lost momentum and fans were indifferent to him in his singles program with the rock (he flopped) so they put him back where he was good at; being half of the NAO. They would have kept him in singles if people cared. Perhaps booking and a different first opponent would of helped. But that not the case and as I said in my thread the reason why he was put back with Road Dogg was because DX was reuniting. How could Billy Gunn have been a huge singles and HHH's lackey at the same time? The fans caring doesn't come in to it the fact is that Vince wanted DX back so that was Billy's huge push screwed.
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Post by China Claus on Sept 25, 2015 14:09:56 GMT -5
I consider Billy Gunn one of the greatest tag team specialist's of all time. He was the workhorse in the Smoking Gunn's, NAO and Billy and Chuck.
As a singles star, I never saw the allure.
And with a nickname like "Mr. Ass", how far could you expect him to go on his own?
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Post by Captain McKay on Sept 25, 2015 16:03:27 GMT -5
But the reason they decided to tag him with road dogg after summerslam was because he lost momentum and fans were indifferent to him in his singles program with the rock (he flopped) so they put him back where he was good at; being half of the NAO. They would have kept him in singles if people cared. Perhaps booking and a different first opponent would of helped. But that not the case and as I said in my thread the reason why he was put back with Road Dogg was because DX was reuniting. How could Billy Gunn have been a huge singles and HHH's lackey at the same time? The fans caring doesn't come in to it the fact is that Vince wanted DX back so that was Billy's huge push screwed.
It's 100% better for Billy Gunn that he was able to rejoin DX. After the feud with The Rock, there was literally NO way anyone was going to take him seriously as a singles guy. Watch the Summerslam match - no one thought Gunn was near The Rock's league. If they were smart, they should have put him against someone a little higher than his own level, not try to assume "hey, if he feuds with The Rock, he'll be a superstar in no time" and watch Billy crash and burn hard.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 25, 2015 16:14:30 GMT -5
Billy was good, but not good enough to be a main event guy -- and there's nothing wrong with that, especially in that era. Bart's Ziggler comparison is about right. Some guys are best suited to the midcard.
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Post by T R W on Sept 25, 2015 16:24:21 GMT -5
I guess he just wasn't "The One."
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 25, 2015 16:33:22 GMT -5
Billy Gunn was someone who looked like a million bucks yet was only worth about a $1.50. Gunn was Shelton Benjamin before Shelton Benjamin.
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Post by dante123 on Sept 25, 2015 16:34:46 GMT -5
Billy Gunn was someone who looked like a million bucks yet was only worth about a $1.50. Gunn was Shelton Benjamin before Shelton Benjamin. I thought he was going to go places with that gimmick.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 25, 2015 16:39:02 GMT -5
Maybe they just didn't trust him cause he had a drug problem Maybe.... all joking aside... Billy was a very good worker, had a bit of the "it factor" just not enough or seemingly the drive to work at his mic skills more and be a serious threat to the main event. Especially in that era. Yeah but that guy never showed up on youtube eating Cheeto's in some rat's bed.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Sept 25, 2015 17:06:06 GMT -5
Maybe.... all joking aside... Billy was a very good worker, had a bit of the "it factor" just not enough or seemingly the drive to work at his mic skills more and be a serious threat to the main event. Especially in that era. Yeah but that guy never showed up on youtube eating Cheeto's in some rat's bed. No, but he snorted coke off of Sunny's ass and was a known womanizer. Reborn blowhard now, but in the '90s he was as big of a junkie as they had in WWF. Huge cokehead. And really, what's worse: a rat and some cheetos, or Sunny during her fat coke days? Youtube wasn't around back then, but the stories still linger...
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 25, 2015 17:52:19 GMT -5
Billy Gunn was like Totinos Frozen pizza. Good if its the only thing you have but much better choices out there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 20:22:35 GMT -5
Billy Gunn was like Totinos Frozen pizza. Good if its the only thing you have but much better choices out there. There's no such thing as bad pizza, just pizza not as good as others.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 25, 2015 23:34:42 GMT -5
Yeah but that guy never showed up on youtube eating Cheeto's in some rat's bed. No, but he snorted coke off of Sunny's ass and was a known womanizer. Reborn blowhard now, but in the '90s he was as big of a junkie as they had in WWF. Huge cokehead. And really, what's worse: a rat and some cheetos, or Sunny during her fat coke days? Youtube wasn't around back then, but the stories still linger... I'm just sayn man. Sometimes the video is the killer. And besides, HBK wasnt banging Sunny in her fat days. He ahd her during her Sunny Days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 7:58:58 GMT -5
Great in a tag team.
Not great being a singles star.
Simple as that.
Same for Road Dogg
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 27, 2015 15:37:26 GMT -5
Gunn flopped. He couldn't cut it in promos with tops guys like Rocky. He didn't have a main event aura. If he were around post 2010 I could see him as a world champ but not during the attitude era.
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