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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 20, 2015 17:57:48 GMT -5
People constantly claim that in 1999 Billy was given a huge push and he couldn't get over which made his run flop. But that is complete rubbish the reason why his push stopped was because of HHH and DX.
Think about it HHH was heading to be a huge star from as early as 1998 it was slow but when once he turned heel at WM15 the road for him truly begun. Then however the WWE thought about bringing back DX but this time they would be heels with HHH as their leader and the world champ.
So basically that screwed Billy Gunn because A) He couldn't be a main eventer and HHH's lackey at the same time. And B) DX needed the Outlaws as their tag team so he had to reunite with Road Dogg.
Also once he lost to The Rock at Summerlam he reunited with Road Dogg a few weeks later so it's obvious that DX's return was already underway and the NAO was the start. Billy Gunn was simply in the wrong era any other time he would've been a huge star but HHH, Austin DX etc were in his way so making it to the main even was simply impossible.
Don't get me wrong I loved DX 2000 but it held back Billy Gunn and restricted his role and none of which was his fault. He was a great talent and the most underrated of the Attitude Era. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 20, 2015 18:01:16 GMT -5
*Waits for @bashcrashwiley, The Kevstaaa, and @cabbageconkers to all chime in and have a giant discussion about why Billy Gunn was either good or sucked* Well.... I may as well get some popcorn. |
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Post by Sizzle on Sept 20, 2015 19:00:49 GMT -5
*Waits for @bashcrashwiley, The Kevstaaa, and @cabbageconkers to all chime in and have a giant discussion about why Billy Gunn was either good or sucked* Well.... I may as well get some popcorn. Pretty much summed up most of the classics threads. But I like that. |
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Post by Captain McKay on Sept 20, 2015 19:52:02 GMT -5
People constantly claim that in 1999 Billy was given a huge push and he couldn't get over which made his run flop. But that is complete rubbish the reason why his push stopped was because of HHH and DX.
Think about it HHH was heading to be a huge star from as early as 1998 it was slow but when once he turned heel at WM15 the road for him truly begun. Then however the WWE thought about bringing back DX but this time they would be heels with HHH as their leader and the world champ.
So basically that screwed Billy Gunn because A) He couldn't be a main eventer and HHH's lackey at the same time. And B) DX needed the Outlaws as their tag team so he had to reunite with Road Dogg.
Also once he lost to The Rock at Summerlam he reunited with Road Dogg a few weeks later so it's obvious that DX's return was already underway and the NAO was the start. Billy Gunn was simply in the wrong era any other time he would've been a huge star but HHH, Austin DX etc were in his way so making it to the main even was simply impossible.
Don't get me wrong I loved DX 2000 but it held back Billy Gunn and restricted his role and none of which was his fault. He was a great talent and the most underrated of the Attitude Era. ...If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that Gunn was never a big, main-event level star because there were other, better, more talented guys on the roster getting the spotlight? Can't disagree there. Before Anvil Fan and Bash contribute... The reason Billy Gunn flopped was largely because they made him KOTR at a time when KOTR was losing any kind of significance. That whole PPV was more about Austin/McMahons and who'd run the company, the Rock/Undertaker match for the title, etc. The tournament was basically an afterthought. Then, they booked him against The Rock. I think they intended for this to elevate Gunn to the level of The Rock, but it actually just showed how far beneath The Rock's level Billy was. Not because he was untalented or lacked ability/charisma, but because he was going up against The Rock, who was the number one guy in the company at that time, second only to Austin. It'd be like taking Shamrock out of the 1998 KOTR, fresh off his win, and putting him against Austin. Nowhere near the appropriate time. Then, the whole DX thing happened and Billy's KOTR push was essentially dead. Pay close attention to PPVs after the fact, and listen out for how many times they say he's the King of the Ring. You won't hear it a lot, if at all. So...timing, the fact that there were half a dozen other better guys on the roster that the fans loved, and bad booking were why Billy Gunn didn't succeed after KOTR. |
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Post by PVA on Sept 20, 2015 20:33:03 GMT -5
Nope.
He flopped. Big angle vs the rock and it fizzled cuz no one cared about mr. Ass
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 23:15:24 GMT -5
Billy Gunn sucked ass, man.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 20, 2015 23:58:46 GMT -5
1: Billy Gunn wasn't even slated to win the KOTR that year, X-Pac was. They changed it though that night to have Billy Gunn win it.
2: Billy Gunn didn't flop out after The Rock program. Clearly The Rock was going to win, they just went with having Billy tag with Road Dogg again after SummerSlam.
Last but not least, Billy Gunn may not have been a main event guy on his own, but nobody can argue the fact that in 1998 and 1999 (when together) the New Age Outlaws were the main event of the tag division, and could easily main event against Austin and a partner of his choice or Rock and partner of his choice.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Sept 21, 2015 0:24:59 GMT -5
That still makes me laugh. |
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Sept 21, 2015 2:53:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 6:19:45 GMT -5
He never really took off as a singles wrestler. Although, I would argue that 1999 worked out much better for him than 2004.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 6:32:49 GMT -5
Politics. Innit.
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Post by UltimateCollector78 on Sept 21, 2015 6:44:17 GMT -5
Billy Gun was one of the most athletically gifted wrestlers ever, especially for his size. His push stalled for one simple reason, he decisively lost his first feud plain and simple. It might have turned out differently for him had he feuded with someone else, and you know WIN his first big match in his singles push
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 21, 2015 6:54:18 GMT -5
I'm with Bash on this and I've been through this more times than I could count. Billy Gunn was never as good as some people made him out to be and had no business being anywhere near a main event.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 7:28:06 GMT -5
Loved him as a tag team guy but never saw him as guy that could hang in the main even or mid-card (especially in 2000).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 8:48:20 GMT -5
He was cool. I didn't think he was amazing or anything but he was a decent enough midcarder, and a very agile man for his size, but never screamed "star" to me.
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Post by UltimateCollector78 on Sept 21, 2015 9:12:14 GMT -5
The guy at least had 25 moves
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Sept 21, 2015 13:30:09 GMT -5
I'm with Bash on this and I've been through this more times than I could count. Billy Gunn was never as good as some people made him out to be and had no business being anywhere near a main event. I've always agreed with you guys on this one. I always thought Billy was great but he was destined to be a Mid-Card or Tag guy, he didn't have what it took to be mixing it up with Austin, Rock, HHH, Foley, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:31:01 GMT -5
Billy Gunn is Dolph Ziggler in more ways than Ziggler just copying him.
Great mid card guy to hold down the fort, but not quite main event material. Still, he was a good hand to have, and I enjoyed him.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 22, 2015 1:12:57 GMT -5
Billy Gunn should have had that IC Title reign in 1999 though!
The fact he didn't win the belt at Wrestlemania XV (like it was planned to be) is just criminal to me.
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