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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 1:11:28 GMT -5
It's worse for business to keep overexposed, aging (or outright old) stars as the focus year after year. Owens is just the latest case of WWE being too afraid to move forward with new stars. There are a lot more suited wrestlers who are young to be pushed right now before that fat tub of lard. Kevin Owens just isn't marketable as a champion for the WWE. Yes, he was the NWA Champion not WWF. It's about talent. Kevin definitely has talent, let's see what happens before shutting him down.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 11, 2015 1:17:23 GMT -5
There are a lot more suited wrestlers who are young to be pushed right now before that fat tub of lard. Kevin Owens just isn't marketable as a champion for the WWE. Yes, he was the NWA Champion not WWF. It's about talent. Kevin definitely has talent, let's see what happens before shutting him down. First of all, Dusty Rhodes actually DRESSED like a wrestler. Trunks, kneepads and boots. Not a t-shirt and basketball shorts. Edit: Also, Dusty was booker, so he booked himself to be champion many times in the Mid Atlantic area. So that's another reason why Dusty has held so much gold. Secondly, that was the NWA. And Owens has been ROH Champion and even NXT Champion, but no way is Vince gonna make him a WWE Champion. Vince has a distinct look in what he wants for his champions. And yes, at times he went the other route (Mick Foley for example) but those were under different circumstances. I just don't ever see Kevin Owens being a main event guy in the WWE where he is gonna be a WWE Champion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 1:20:24 GMT -5
Yes, he was the NWA Champion not WWF. It's about talent. Kevin definitely has talent, let's see what happens before shutting him down. First of all, Dusty Rhodes actually DRESSED like a wrestler. Trunks, kneepads and boots. Not a t-shirt and basketball shorts. Secondly, that was the NWA. And Owens has been ROH Champion and even NXT Champion, but no way is Vince gonna make him a WWE Champion. Vince has a distinct look in what he wants for his champions. And yes, at times he went the other route (Mick Foley for example) but those were under different circumstances. I just don't ever see Kevin Owens being a main event guy in the WWE where he is gonna be a WWE Champion. Well, Vince McMahon himself saw nothing in John Cena for quite a while. Then a jorts wearing gangsta became one of the greatest wrestlers ever. Kevin just debuted, give the dude a chance. And why are you speaking for Vince? I only used the Cena comparison because it has been confirmed by people in interviews.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 11, 2015 1:24:36 GMT -5
First of all, Dusty Rhodes actually DRESSED like a wrestler. Trunks, kneepads and boots. Not a t-shirt and basketball shorts. Secondly, that was the NWA. And Owens has been ROH Champion and even NXT Champion, but no way is Vince gonna make him a WWE Champion. Vince has a distinct look in what he wants for his champions. And yes, at times he went the other route (Mick Foley for example) but those were under different circumstances. I just don't ever see Kevin Owens being a main event guy in the WWE where he is gonna be a WWE Champion. Well, Vince McMahon himself saw nothing in John Cena for quite a while. Then a jorts wearing gangsta became one of the greatest wrestlers ever. Kevin just debuted, give the dude a chance. And why are you speaking for Vince? I only used the Cena comparison because it has been confirmed by people in interviews. I am speaking for Vince because I am Vincent Kennedy McMahon! I have been on here for the past two years to get the gossip in what you fans like and then do the opposite and what you fans hate and proceed forward with that. I also collect a lot of Alberto Del Rio wrestling figures. It was a shame we had to let him go, my collection will never be complete now.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Aug 11, 2015 1:26:27 GMT -5
-- If Vince doesn't get a hard-on from watching you, there's basically no hope.
Hopefully, Vince'll croke soon & Dunn will dive into the grave after him with those buck teeth of his, burrowing up underneath Vince's casket and back into his cold, dead ass - a place Kevin Dunn's familiar with.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 11, 2015 2:02:54 GMT -5
It's worse for business to keep overexposed, aging (or outright old) stars as the focus year after year. Owens is just the latest case of WWE being too afraid to move forward with new stars. There are a lot more suited wrestlers who are young to be pushed right now before that fat tub of lard. Kevin Owens just isn't marketable as a champion for the WWE. There are other wrestlers who had their pushes cut short because of WWE's over-reliance on nostalgia. I certainly agree there. But Owens isn't a tub of lard (that applies more to someone of Bastion Booger's stature)and if that's your main objection to him, then it's from the same vein as Punk being too skinny or Daniel Bryan being too short. Fans have proven in recent years that they don't need a wrestler to look like Captain America for him to be very marketable.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 11, 2015 2:26:34 GMT -5
There are a lot more suited wrestlers who are young to be pushed right now before that fat tub of lard. Kevin Owens just isn't marketable as a champion for the WWE. There are other wrestlers who had their pushes cut short because of WWE's over-reliance on nostalgia. I certainly agree there. But Owens isn't a tub of lard (that applies more to someone of Bastion Booger's stature)and if that's your main objection to him, then it's from the same vein as Punk being too skinny or Daniel Bryan being too short. Fans have proven in recent years that they don't need a wrestler to look like Captain America for him to be very marketable. Daniel Bryan and CM Punk I had no problem with, because they looked like wrestlers. CM Punk said back in 2005 that he switched from basketball shorts to trunks because he wanted to be taken serious as a wrestler and as a World Champion caliber wrestler. Until Kevin Owens stops wearing a t-shirt and basketball shorts and wears a pair of tights I won't take him serious. Guys like Luke Harper and Bray Wyatt can get away with dressing how they do because it's their gimmick. Same with Dean Ambrose. But for Kevin Owens, he is just a wrestler. So at least look like a freaking wrestler!
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Post by | NLS™ | on Aug 11, 2015 2:42:05 GMT -5
Ya know, I don't mid Owens but to want to strap a rocket to his back and shoot his fat ass to the moon right off the bat is bad business. He needs to prove more to me then he has to warrent a permanent main event status push and he's far from it. In other words, he aint nothin special. It's worse for business to keep overexposed, aging (or outright old) stars as the focus year after year. Owens is just the latest case of WWE being too afraid to move forward with new stars. Oh, I agree with you in many ways, for you are preaching to the quire. We need new top stars for sure young Grasshoppa. But he aint it.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 11, 2015 5:33:15 GMT -5
There are other wrestlers who had their pushes cut short because of WWE's over-reliance on nostalgia. I certainly agree there. But Owens isn't a tub of lard (that applies more to someone of Bastion Booger's stature)and if that's your main objection to him, then it's from the same vein as Punk being too skinny or Daniel Bryan being too short. Fans have proven in recent years that they don't need a wrestler to look like Captain America for him to be very marketable. Daniel Bryan and CM Punk I had no problem with, because they looked like wrestlers. CM Punk said back in 2005 that he switched from basketball shorts to trunks because he wanted to be taken serious as a wrestler and as a World Champion caliber wrestler. Until Kevin Owens stops wearing a t-shirt and basketball shorts and wears a pair of tights I won't take him serious. Guys like Luke Harper and Bray Wyatt can get away with dressing how they do because it's their gimmick. Same with Dean Ambrose. But for Kevin Owens, he is just a wrestler. So at least look like a freaking wrestler! You took your screen name after a guy who wore leather pants over a singlet. Mick Foley main evented and held the WWF title in full body tights and a shirts. Cena has worn jorts and camo shorts. A wrestler doesn't need glorified underwear to be taken seriously. And I hope you're argument isn't that we need Owens wearing attire like Punk did. It's bad enough that we had to see his butt cheeks flopping out all of the time (and we still see it with Orton), but do you really want to see that much of Owens? I'd rather just watch the action. That's what wrestling is all about anyway.
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Post by Dan on Aug 11, 2015 8:27:15 GMT -5
I just think his look needs sorting a little bit and he'll be fine. The gelled hair ends up making him look like some taccy school teenager. The Shorts and Vest are fine, I just think he needs a little tweaking.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 11, 2015 13:20:37 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan and CM Punk I had no problem with, because they looked like wrestlers. CM Punk said back in 2005 that he switched from basketball shorts to trunks because he wanted to be taken serious as a wrestler and as a World Champion caliber wrestler. Until Kevin Owens stops wearing a t-shirt and basketball shorts and wears a pair of tights I won't take him serious. Guys like Luke Harper and Bray Wyatt can get away with dressing how they do because it's their gimmick. Same with Dean Ambrose. But for Kevin Owens, he is just a wrestler. So at least look like a freaking wrestler! You took your screen name after a guy who wore leather pants over a singlet. Mick Foley main evented and held the WWF title in full body tights and a shirts. Cena has worn jorts and camo shorts. A wrestler doesn't need glorified underwear to be taken seriously. And I hope you're argument is that we need Owens wearing attire like Punk did. It's bad enough that we had to see his butt cheeks flopping out all of the time (and we still see it with Orton), but do you really want to see that much of Owens? I'd rather just watch the action. That's what wrestling is all about anyway. Again, all the wrestlers you named wore outfits to go with their gimmicks in wrestling. If Kevin Owens was a street basketball player from Brooklyn New York then I would understand why he wears what he wears when wrestling. But the simple fact he is just too lazy to hit a gym and get in shape is pathetic when he could easily be a main event guy. I have heard stories about how he was lazy in ROH and wouldn't clean his ring gear and just got out of shape even worse than here. If he took himself serious then maybe he would be a main event champion in the WWE eventually.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 11, 2015 13:27:44 GMT -5
1. It wouldn't be the first time a guy got a push and then it just randomly stopped. I guess we'll have to wait and see if it randomly stops anytime soon. Take this for what it's worth:
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 11, 2015 13:42:37 GMT -5
It was speculated that Dunn was going to ‘bury’ people who threatened his position, most notably Triple H and Stephanie McMahon God bless anyone who thinks that sounds realistic.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 11, 2015 14:14:46 GMT -5
Triple H should have left Owens in NXT till Vince retired. Cause it's damn shame if Vince lets Dunn sabotage potential stars just to protect himself.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 11, 2015 14:51:55 GMT -5
The comment Orton made last night was a stupid little cheap shot but Owens responded to it well. I think his match with Cesaro at Summerslam will be the show-stealer and that will slowly snowball a KO push. I'm starting to cool down from him losing the feud to The Almighty Lord John Cena. He's gonna be an asset in the upper echelon because he is an effective heel--something WWE is lacking at the moment. He'll have his moments and there'll be a point in the next year or so where he becomes a viable threat to the WWE Championship (I'd make another comment that this would be yet another moment where the WWE/WHC unification was a curse instead of a blessing but I've expended my uses of that around here). Not to mention I fully expect him to be involved with Sami Zayn once he returns from injury, possibly in a 'Mania match that would have no problems stealing the show.
The attire does fit his gimmick. He's a no-nonsense dude that doesn't care who he pleases, as long as he kicks ass and wins titles. He wants a fight and he'll fight a guy in a cutoff tee and shorts if he damn well pleases. And I'm sorry, but NO ONE should have the merit to call him a tub of lard or a lazy fatass. He's a husky guy, sure, but he's consistently put on quality, all-out matches since he debuted. Like Marino said earlier, his conditioning has NEVER been a problem. Not to mention he's got a gut but he busts out a senton better than Myzteziz. Not to mention he's been trusted to put into programs with Cena and Cesaro, two guys who are notable for working longer matches and have that shredded body. And Owens hasn't missed a beat wrestling either of them.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Aug 11, 2015 16:15:53 GMT -5
It was speculated that Dunn was going to ‘bury’ people who threatened his position, most notably Triple H and Stephanie McMahon God bless anyone who thinks that sounds realistic. Like I said, take it for what it's worth. In all reality, if you were to say "this is 100% false" that would be just as ridiculous as me saying "this is 100% true." We aren't there, we have no idea. Both could be wrong for all we know. This is no different than most everything else that's posted here.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 12, 2015 6:58:23 GMT -5
You took your screen name after a guy who wore leather pants over a singlet. Mick Foley main evented and held the WWF title in full body tights and a shirts. Cena has worn jorts and camo shorts. A wrestler doesn't need glorified underwear to be taken seriously. And I hope you're argument is that we need Owens wearing attire like Punk did. It's bad enough that we had to see his butt cheeks flopping out all of the time (and we still see it with Orton), but do you really want to see that much of Owens? I'd rather just watch the action. That's what wrestling is all about anyway. Again, all the wrestlers you named wore outfits to go with their gimmicks in wrestling. If Kevin Owens was a street basketball player from Brooklyn New York then I would understand why he wears what he wears when wrestling. But the simple fact he is just too lazy to hit a gym and get in shape is pathetic when he could easily be a main event guy. I have heard stories about how he was lazy in ROH and wouldn't clean his ring gear and just got out of shape even worse than here. If he took himself serious then maybe he would be a main event champion in the WWE eventually. C.f. That is his gimmick. Not all characters are cookie cutter constructs. What you're saying is still about KO's lack of 6 pack abs. You can't see beyond that one aspect of his appearance which is why Vince is still trying to sell us towering bodybuilders instead of the most talented guys
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 7:06:19 GMT -5
I don't understand why Kevin Owens can't just get called up to the main roster and just instantly be the top guy. It makes no sense to me.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Aug 12, 2015 7:41:46 GMT -5
So his gimmick is to not look like a wrestler? Dusty, Foley and all the other greats you guys mentioned LOOKED like wrestlers no matter what they wore...carried themselves differently. This guy's gimmick has nothing to do with what he's wearing. Even if he wore a shirt with tights it would be better. Again, all the wrestlers you named wore outfits to go with their gimmicks in wrestling. If Kevin Owens was a street basketball player from Brooklyn New York then I would understand why he wears what he wears when wrestling. But the simple fact he is just too lazy to hit a gym and get in shape is pathetic when he could easily be a main event guy. I have heard stories about how he was lazy in ROH and wouldn't clean his ring gear and just got out of shape even worse than here. If he took himself serious then maybe he would be a main event champion in the WWE eventually. C.f. That is his gimmick. Not all characters are cookie cutter constructs. What you're saying is still about KO's lack of 6 pack abs. You can't see beyond that one aspect of his appearance which is why Vince is still trying to sell us towering bodybuilders instead of the most talented guys
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 12, 2015 8:42:48 GMT -5
Owens is fat? Fine. He still can run miles around me (cardio) and I'm 165lbs and 5ft 10. I'm probably slim or average build. He's in shape.
Scott Steiner, the genetic freak, blows up after 2 minutes in the ring trading suplexes.
I'll take a "fat yet cardiovascularly fit worker" over a genetic freak any day. Same goes for a man with 4% body fat and a masterpiece.
Wrestling is more than just feats of strength. If you can't work, people won't find you entertaining no matter what gimmick, costume, or whatever you're saddled with. Look at Cody Rhodes, he's made everything great despite being in random gimmicks at random times.
I'm slowly starting to think WWE likes testing longevity. They take a wrestler at his peak, dial him back, and see if he still maintains a strong following before committing. Everyone that WWE has supposedly ruined by not hotshotting really didn't have much to go with. Can you say Zack Ryder would be main event material? What about Fandango? They cooled off completely after WWE scaled back on them. But look at Dolph Ziggler and Ryback. Both cooled off, but there were fans who not only voiced their opinions online, but in the stands too. No matter how badly Ziggler and the Big Guy were managed, people still bought their merchandise and popped for them. Now, they are getting more invovled. Same goes for Cesaro.
Owens is still getting reactions, and is still involved in storylines. He just needs to deliver A+ after A+ match (whether real or perceived) and he will be around for a long time, and possibly in the main event before 2016 ends. If he goes the Chris Harris and Chris Hero route, it'll be because he either stopped caring or stopped trying. We've seen his god given ability. He has a spot, and he'll be fine. This is coming from a guy who swore up and down that his career was dead on arrival thanks to the Cena feud.
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