Biggest drop offs from one company to another.

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Apr 22, 2012 13:39:37 GMT -5 @jbone said:

It's really hard to consider ECW something where people can drop off from...especially when Mikey Whipwreck was the company's World Champ. Bam Bam went from main eventing WRESTLEMANIA...to wrestling in a bingo hall, for a company that was much more regional than the international WWE. As cool as ECW was, in many ways they didn't have that credibility. Public Enemy going from ECW to WCW was a huge step up for them, they got national exposure and what not. I don't really see how WWE blew it with Public Enemy, they weren't really that good and by the time they came to Raw WCW had already
sucked them dry of any credibility. Plus given the tag team division during that time, I'm not sure where they would have fit in.

Not mention didn't PE choose WCW or WWE back in 95? How do you expect WWE loyalists to act?

One more thing Rocco Rock was already in his mid 40's by the time they came to WWE, their better years were way past them...Plus if you had to push ONE ECW tag team..do you push The Dudleys or do you push Public Enemy?

wow you sure do have that ass backwards.time to check your facts....

1)Dudleys and PE werent there at the same time.....PE-feb-may 99/Dudleys debut late 99.so your 1 million % wrong on that.

2)I expect "loyalists" like Bradsahw etc to act like professionals-plenty of others chose WCW too......what kind of crapreason is that?

3)PE were just like Jericho and the rest that jumped.they all had crap times before they came in(except Benoit)WCW was a craphole that made everyone look bad-it was up to Vince to REBUILD them.he did it with plenty of others.

The "loyalists" that you so heavily favor also claimed they could run the Dudleys out.were they right to treat the Dudleys badly too?

utter nonsense.

[Bullgod]

Chris Harris in TNA - Half of one of the top tag teams in AMW, was thought that when he went solo he would have a really bright future
Chris Harris in WWE - Braden Walker....

Monty Brown in TNA - Monster bad ass, was feuding with all the main eventers, had some great hardcore matches with Abyss and Raven
Monty Brown in WWE - Marcus Cor Von...

Booker T in WCW - 5 Time heavyweight champion SUCKAH!!!
Booker T in WWE - his most memorable moments were teaming with Goldust and there backstage segments, his one WHC run was when he was under the hidious King Boooker gimmick, although I still feel he had a decent run in WWE
Booker T in TNA - MEM Lacky, with a goofy african wannabe gimmick.

Ron Simmons in WCW - First ever black World heavyweight champion, great matches with Vader and Cactus Jack
Ron Simmons in WWE - Comes in as Faarooq Asad wearing a goofy roman soldier helmet.

Vader in WCW - proberbly the best bigman in wrestling at the time, was the unstoppable monster heel and a multi time World Heavyweight champion
Vader in WWE - Had one memorable main event match in a losing effort to Shawn Michaels, spent alot of time jobbing and WWE just basicly killed all the momentum he'd built for himself as an unstoppable monster, especially when they turned him face.

Raven in ECW/WCW - Number one heel, biggest draw, multi time champion and in numberous main events in ECW, had fantastic feuds in WCW with Benoit, DDP, and more, the Flock story line was awesome and drew in much ratings
Raven in WWE - No Comment.

[threehgame]

Apr 21, 2012 10:20:11 GMT -5 jakksking1 said:

Mike Awesome had a huge drop off from ECW to WCW. IN ECW, Awesome was a top guy and had excellent matches when he was headlining. A year later he is in WCW as the "Fat Chick Thrilla" and then when that SURPRISINGLY FAILED, he became, That 70's Guy Mike Awesome. What the hell were they doing with him?

The part that doesn't make sense about that is WCW knew they couldn't get the ECW title on their programing from their lawsuits against the WWF over the title Flair took with him. Why WCW would even try that and then ruin someones career (and life for that matter) shows how short-sighted and corrupt they were.

Apr 21, 2012 12:54:21 GMT -5 Raine said:

Bret Hart easily, was probably the best wrestler in the U.S in 1997, multi time champ in the same year. Left the WWF after the most controversial match in WWF history so was red hot, went to WCW & signed a $9m - 3 year deal and became a big fat ZERO.

Got stuck with a mid card title, meaningless feuds and endless turns between heel & face, when he finally became WCW champion the fans couldn't have cared less.

Bret's time in WCW was a series of botches but Bret didn't help things. Many of the people I watched wrestling with at the time saw him as a whiner and an over-rated technician that needed HBK or Austin to draw. It was amazing the way fans turned on Bret in 98 to only turn back to his side the past few years.

[LA Times]

Bret Hart to WCW

DDP to WWF

Taz to WWF

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Apr 24, 2012 6:52:30 GMT -5 JokerFC said:

Apr 22, 2012 13:39:37 GMT -5 @jbone said:

It's really hard to consider ECW something where people can drop off from...especially when Mikey Whipwreck was the company's World Champ. Bam Bam went from main eventing WRESTLEMANIA...to wrestling in a bingo hall, for a company that was much more regional than the international WWE. As cool as ECW was, in many ways they didn't have that credibility. Public Enemy going from ECW to WCW was a huge step up for them, they got national exposure and what not. I don't really see how WWE blew it with Public Enemy, they weren't really that good and by the time they came to Raw WCW had already
sucked them dry of any credibility. Plus given the tag team division during that time, I'm not sure where they would have fit in.

Not mention didn't PE choose WCW or WWE back in 95? How do you expect WWE loyalists to act?

One more thing Rocco Rock was already in his mid 40's by the time they came to WWE, their better years were way past them...Plus if you had to push ONE ECW tag team..do you push The Dudleys or do you push Public Enemy?

wow you sure do have that ass backwards.time to check your facts....

1)Dudleys and PE werent there at the same time.....PE-feb-may 99/Dudleys debut late 99.so your 1 million % wrong on that.

2)I expect "loyalists" like Bradsahw etc to act like professionals-plenty of others chose WCW too......what kind of crap reason is that?

3)PE were just like Jericho and the rest that jumped.they all had crap times before they came in(except Benoit)WCW was a craphole that made everyone look bad-it was up to Vince to REBUILD them.he did it with plenty of others.

The "loyalists" that you so heavily favor also claimed they could run the Dudleys out.were they right to treat the Dudleys badly too?

utter nonsense.

1) I never once said they came in at the same time. I was just saying if you had to push any one tag team from ECW which one would you have chose? Cause the Dudleys was the right choice.

2) I wasn't heavily favoring the "loyalists", guys like Bradshaw and Holly have always been backstage bullies, so it doesn't surprise in the slightest during the Monday Night Wars that they would act the way they did, wether it was to show their loyalty or to kiss Vinny Mac's ass. I'm not saying their actions were appropriate or excusable but that's just the way the way it was. Yeah they tested the Dudleys and the Dudleys passed cause they wanted it.

Also this business was all about testing guys, guys got treated like crap on the regular that's just the way it was. Hulk Hogan had his leg broken his first week of training...again i'm not say it was right to do that, that's just the way it was. Sorry if PE couldn't handle a few stiff shots.

3) Vince obviously rebuilt the only ones worth rebuilding (Radicalz and Jericho) by 1999 the Public Enemy gimmick was way outdated, and their better days were behind them. You can't honestly sit there and tell me there was long term value in PE. Go check the dates Rocco Rock was up in age (46). PE just didn't fit in the WWE at the time sorry.

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a few stiff shots LOL.....you crack me up.

[OmegaGaijin]

Apr 24, 2012 10:10:33 GMT -5 threehgame said:

Apr 21, 2012 10:20:11 GMT -5 jakksking1 said:

Mike Awesome had a huge drop off from ECW to WCW. IN ECW, Awesome was a top guy and had excellent matches when he was headlining. A year later he is in WCW as the "Fat Chick Thrilla" and then when that SURPRISINGLY FAILED, he became, That 70's Guy Mike Awesome. What the hell were they doing with him?

The part that doesn't make sense about that is WCW knew they couldn't get the ECW title on their programing from their lawsuits against the WWF over the title Flair took with him. Why WCW would even try that and then ruin someones career (and life for that matter) shows how short-sighted and corrupt they were.

Apr 21, 2012 12:54:21 GMT -5 Raine said:

Bret Hart easily, was probably the best wrestler in the U.S in 1997, multi time champ in the same year. Left the WWF after the most controversial match in WWF history so was red hot, went to WCW & signed a $9m - 3 year deal and became a big fat ZERO.

Got stuck with a mid card title, meaningless feuds and endless turns between heel & face, when he finally became WCW champion the fans couldn't have cared less.

Bret's time in WCW was a series of botches but Bret didn't help things. Many of the people I watched wrestling with at the time saw him as a whiner and an over-rated technician that needed HBK or Austin to draw. It was amazing the way fans turned on Bret in 98 to only turn back to his side the past few years.

Of course, and this is the very reason Bret Hart's return to the WWE did not work. You got to remember that fans like us are in the minority and the bigger audience who are not as obsessive as us believe everything that WWE tells them. As soon as the Bret screwed Bret Raw everyone at my school who was a fan or even into it a bit more than others took this as a black & white fact. Bret's the bad guy, Bret was in the wrong etc. They then see his deranged character after a few months that fits into the image of Bret that the WWE wanted to people to believe was really him. Of course over the years digs where given to Bret, i remember watching something on WWE where they talked about it & everyone was so cutting ( i vividly remember the Big Show mocking Bret and saying Bret screwed Bret, end of fact). You also had the 'innocent' HBK denying involvement for years and then turning round on confidential and saying he knew about it. The funny thing about 'Wrestling with Shadows', even though it vindicated everything Bret had said for the past year, most fans already made up there mind. Bret was in the wrong, and WWE made everything in their power over a course of years to discredit Bret.

Anyone remember when WWE had that massive poll in WWE magazine and on WWE.com for fans to vote for who they thought was the greatest of all time? Months it rolled on for with massive hype. In the end it came down to Bret & Shawn & Bret won. 10's of thousands of fans voted for him. In the end after all of this WWE magazine had a small part on one page after it was done saying 'In what HAS to be considered a huge upset and surprise victory, Bret hart has won the poll' etc. Unreal.

Fast forward to Bret's return. There was two things wrong with his comeback a) most people who watch the current product didn't watch wrestling when he was about and b) the sheeple have been told by WWE (who like to re-vision history) that Bret screwed Bret, it was all his fault at the screwjob etc. Of course these fans all accepted this, it was the companies line. Then Bret makes a heroic return, comes back and beats the nasty Vince who screwed him at SS97. Most fans were confused, they had been told for over 10 years that Bret was in the wrong, now he is back as the big goodie beating Vince and its accepted that Vince did actually screw Bret??? I don't agree that Bret is in the good books with these fans now, i actually think his pop's are only good in Canada & New York where the more hardcore fanbase's are. The poor fans were totally lost through the whole storyline due to Vince's propaganda lol!!

It amazed me how badly WCW used Bret, even if the Hogan accusations are true, it was not 1993 anymore. Bret should have had a massive program with a heel hogan, eventually leading to a mega dream match of a face crow Sting vs Bret Hart. The money all those guys would have made would have been insane. Even as a 12 year old watching Bret on his first nitro, i couldn't believe what they were doing, i expected them to take his character and maybe make him a bit more bad ass after the screwjob, especially after how much he improved on the mic in 1997. We all know how good Bret was, regardless if you like him or not. This has all been covered a million times here though.

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great post man.some stuff in there I had never thought about in respect to Brets return in 2010.

[threehgame]

WWE.com put up video of the night Rude was on both Nitro and Raw. Watching the video I had forgotten who awesome the build for Bret was in WCW for it to turn out so poorly. Typical WCW I guess but Bret could have come in as the ultimate anti-WWF voice.

[LeighD]

A lot of great examples being named. It seems like when guys went to WCW and even a few cases wuth the WWF, they got a good push for exposure, but the push quickly ended and they were lost in the shuffle.

[Callum1993]

Billy Kidman to WWE

[LA Times]

Apr 28, 2012 6:31:04 GMT -5 Callum1993 said:

Billy Kidman to WWE

The funny thing about this is in WCW, he was always bitching about not being pushed properly

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Apr 22, 2012 7:49:47 GMT -5 JokerFC said:

Apr 22, 2012 4:56:02 GMT -5 @cabbageconkers said:

Bam Bam Bigelow went from headlining a Wrestlemania to forgettable in wcw and ecw.

Kevin Nash from WCW to WWE, he was pretty much the top guy in WCW, to managing Scott Hall at Wrestlemania.

Nash was injured though man-he was schedualed to face Kane at WM18 so that doesnt really match up.

Actually apparently they needed to keep him open incase Hall was drunk or no-showed.

[jasonphoenix1]

My opinion

Greg Valentine (NWA to WWF) The knockdown slugfest with Piper to teaming with Brutus Beefcake then teamed with Honky. Nothing against Honky but the gimmick was not Greg Valentine.
Mike Awesome (ECW to WCW and WWE) Need a say anything.
DDP (WCW to WWE) He had a short run with Taker and thats about it
Lance Storm (ECW/WCW to WWE) I really think they did not try with him.
Raven (ECW to Everywhere) Nobody has given him a real shot other then ECW.
Taz (ECW to WWE) He was a beast in ECW. Choked out Angle in his debut but was made a gimmick guy and was in the Hardcore Battle Royal at WM the same year and never recovered.
Dusty Rhodes (NWA to WWF) from NWA Champion to goof in dots.
John Tenta (WWF to WCW) from Earthquake to Shark/Avalanche
The Sheepherders (Puerto Rico to anywhere) They had some of the most brutal matches and then was turned into the Bushwackers.
Jim Neidhart (WWF to WCW) From Hart Foundation to Jobber Foundation
British Bulldog (WWF to WCW) Same as Neidhart
Shane Douglas (ECW to WWF) Spitting on NWA title to Dean Douglas

Probably many more but those are the ones I can think of.

[Emerald Enthusiast]

Apr 22, 2012 13:39:37 GMT -5 @jbone said:

It's really hard to consider ECW something where people can drop off from...

I love the original ECW as much as anyone, but you are right. Certain guys got over there simply because they were malcontent castoffs from the bigger companies.

Shane Douglas got over because he cursed Bischoff, Hogan, Flair, etc..but he was still the same old bland Dynamic Dud when you got past the shock value. In WWE, he was the Dynamic Dud in a cap & gown.

I'm was a fan of Raven, Sandman, Spike Dudley, and Rhino, but I knew they were all niche guys who were going to curtain jerk or be mid-carders in the big companies.

[Emerald Enthusiast]

Apr 24, 2012 7:11:38 GMT -5 Bullgod said:

Booker T in WCW - 5 Time heavyweight champion SUCKAH!!!
Booker T in WWE - his most memorable moments were teaming with Goldust and there backstage segments, his one WHC run was when he was under the hidious King Boooker gimmick, although I still feel he had a decent run in WWE
Booker T in TNA - MEM Lacky, with a goofy african wannabe gimmick.

Vader in WCW - proberbly the best bigman in wrestling at the time, was the unstoppable monster heel and a multi time World Heavyweight champion
Vader in WWE - Had one memorable main event match in a losing effort to Shawn Michaels, spent alot of time jobbing and WWE just basicly killed all the momentum he'd built for himself as an unstoppable monster, especially when they turned him face.

Those are two very good examples. Booker had arrived as a fresh main eventer in 2000, only to be inexplicably stuck in mid-card feuds (where he did things like gag over Rikishi farts) a mere 2 1/2 years later in WWE. At least he recovered eventually, but he could have been bigger with the right booking.

Vader also a squandered opportunity. He could have been a major star in WWE, but by '98, he was an afterthought.

[specterkev]

Apr 21, 2012 11:14:17 GMT -5 @smokedawg said:

The Big Show, in WCW he was awesome but in WWE he just seems like a joke, he did have quick little push when he came over but WWW dropped the ball

this and DDP.. Giant was awesome in WCw a monster,.. then he became the "big Joke" and it was over

[Burger Lad]

One I don't think has been mentioned is Goldberg to WWF/E.

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May 5, 2012 0:07:21 GMT -5 specterkev said:

Apr 21, 2012 11:14:17 GMT -5 @smokedawg said:

The Big Show, in WCW he was awesome but in WWE he just seems like a joke, he did have quick little push when he came over but WWW dropped the ball

this and DDP.. Giant was awesome in WCw a monster,.. then he became the "big Joke" and it was over

yeah the Giant defo qualifies.

for years Vinnie moaned when looking at WCW that Bischoff had no idea to book this big man.

turns out Vince hadnt clue 1 either.

[JC Motors]

Sting went from WCW to TNA never working for WWE when the took over WCW. He hates WWE for some reason