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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2012 5:38:10 GMT -5
done some OT in work yesterday and one of the lads who is also a mark for wrestling posed an interesting thought/comment.....and I said I would put it out there for discussion.
if Bret had been physically capable of wrestling post WCW closedown would Vince have pursued an agreement between the two more agressively?
just say he never had the kick in the head(and subsequent knocks that really did the damage)and was healthy as a horse in the early 2000s?if Vince could have used him as an onscreen guy would he have went after him more agressively to settle things?
discuss.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Apr 13, 2012 7:03:15 GMT -5
I think Vince would have attempted to make an offer but I HIGHLY doubt Bret would have accpted. With the MSJ and Owen's death I really doubt that 3 years would have healed those wounds.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2012 9:59:17 GMT -5
Yes.
Vince tried to get Bret to come in as special referee as early as Wrestlemania X8. I think had Bret been healthy, there would have been other feelers sent for him to come back.
Now whether or not Bret would have actually returned is another story...
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Post by Raine on Apr 13, 2012 10:12:50 GMT -5
Cant see Bret would have accepted, was probably still pissed about Owen & Montreal. Not to say Vince wouldn't have offered an olive branch.
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Post by Focalin on Apr 13, 2012 10:52:25 GMT -5
yes and no, I fully think that the MSJ was a work, but the only things that kept bret away from WWF were the concussions and owen.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Apr 13, 2012 13:12:34 GMT -5
I still dont understand how Bret didnt see the MSJ coming. If you go back and watch that match this is a SHITLOAD of personel around ringside. I realize that theres always some people around the ring but there were tons of ppl out there.
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Post by DTP. on Apr 13, 2012 13:21:35 GMT -5
I still think that he would have had that stroke though, unfortunately.
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Post by jakksking1 on Apr 13, 2012 13:43:13 GMT -5
I still dont understand how Bret didnt see the MSJ coming. If you go back and watch that match this is a crapLOAD of personel around ringside. I realize that theres always some people around the ring but there were tons of ppl out there. I think he knew something was up, a few old school wrestlers warned him to kick out at 1, and not get placed into a submission hold for fear of a fast count or a, well, exactly what happened. I forgot who told him that, but definitely remember hearing that. Also, Hebner and Hart were good friends, so he wasn't expecting Hebner to cross him. So, while everything looked fishy, he probably thought he'd be safe with Hebner in their. If this was a work, it is the greatest work in wrestling history. Too many people involved to keep it a secret this long. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2012 13:44:53 GMT -5
Bret has said it himself a hundred times that he knew something was up but felt safe because Earl Hebner swore on his kids that he wouldn't let anything happen.
Earl lied.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Apr 13, 2012 13:56:20 GMT -5
Bret has said it himself a hundred times that he knew something was up but felt safe because Earl Hebner swore on his kids that he wouldn't let anything happen. Earl lied. Definately would see how Bret would trust someone that much but if Earl hadnt done what he did he could have lost his job so I dont blame him what so ever. And BTW does anybody else think its weird that so many wrestlers trust Hebner so much? I mean HBK even made sure that Earl reffed EVERY one of his matchs for quite some time untill he left in 98 and maybe after he returned IDK. |
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Post by hammer on Apr 13, 2012 14:23:37 GMT -5
I think he knew something was up, a few old school wrestlers warned him to kick out at 1, and not get placed into a submission hold for fear of a fast count or a, well, exactly what happened. I forgot who told him that, but definitely remember hearing that. Also, Hebner and Hart were good friends, so he wasn't expecting Hebner to cross him. So, while everything looked fishy, he probably thought he'd be safe with Hebner in their. If this was a work, it is the greatest work in wrestling history. Too many people involved to keep it a secret this long. yea, vader told him he had seen it countless times in japan, and that he shouldnt let himself get in that situation. |
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Post by Raine on Apr 13, 2012 14:54:57 GMT -5
I think the personel was there incase Bret began to shoot on HBK in the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2012 17:44:12 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Bret wouldnt have accepted but Im glad to see folks think Vince would have been more agressive in trying to resign him.
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Post by jammer311 on Apr 13, 2012 17:59:02 GMT -5
I still say the Montreal Screw Job was a work. The entire year that Bret was back in the WWE he kept saying in promos and interviews "I keep getting screwed". He got screwed out of the title at the Dec. IYH when HBK interfered. He got screwed out of the Rumble win by Austin. He got screwed the night after he won the belt by Austin to have him lose the belt to Sid. He got screwed by Taker in the cage match with Sid when he slammed the door on Bret. Just the entire year, it was Bret being screwed. If the Montreal Screw Job was legit, then that is irony at its best!
I still say that if Owen never died, and Bret never got injured, then yes, he would have came back to the WWE. I think leaving for those 3 years to WCW was what Bret needed. He made a lot of money, and it meant when he came back he would be a fresh face in the WWE again.
Just too bad that things went bad in 1999 for the Hart family.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2012 18:17:09 GMT -5
I've debated back and forth so many times about whether it was a work or not but I feel like if it was...we would know by now.
Between Owen's death, Bret's stroke and his return...something would have been said if it were really a work.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Apr 13, 2012 19:49:55 GMT -5
Vince definitely would have pressed him, but I don't think he would have gone back. His life was in turmoil at that point, and I think the Martha Hart/WWF suit was still ongoing. He was fully on her side and the wound was still fresh. I doubt he'd have gone back right away because of that. Maybe a few years later, like in 2005 or something.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Apr 13, 2012 20:40:49 GMT -5
I think he would have eventually returned. Maybe not full time, but for matches or feuds here or there. I think he would have made his inital return to face Kurt Angle at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Apr 13, 2012 23:19:38 GMT -5
I don't really think the concussion or stroke had anything to do with the length of time Bret was away from the WWE.....I think it just took him a long time to get over what had happened and a lot of feelings and time had to pass before he wanted to have anything to do with WWE again.
It took until 2005 for him to want to do the DVD and until 2006 for him to agree to do the Hall of Fame. And even, on good terms with WWE, it took him until 2010 to actually want to appear live in the ring again.....
If Bret was fully healthy when WWE closed down, I still think it would have taken the same amount of time for him to come back to the WWE, because at the end of the day, the thing Bret Hart needed to get over to come back to WWE was 100% mental and emotional, none of it was physical.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 8:30:30 GMT -5
Bret made up with Vince in 2005, but at that point he was adiment he would never step foot in a wwe ring again, to the extent he didn't appear at Wrestlemania when he was inducted in to the Hall of Fame.
It's my understanding that Vince wanted Bret back in 99 after Owen's death, he'd made loads of promises to him that for one reason or another never materialised.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 12:25:56 GMT -5
I don't really think the concussion or stroke had anything to do with the length of time Bret was away from the WWE.....I think it just took him a long time to get over what had happened and a lot of feelings and time had to pass before he wanted to have anything to do with WWE again. It took until 2005 for him to want to do the DVD and until 2006 for him to agree to do the Hall of Fame. And even, on good terms with WWE, it took him until 2010 to actually want to appear live in the ring again..... If Bret was fully healthy when WWE closed down, I still think it would have taken the same amount of time for him to come back to the WWE, because at the end of the day, the thing Bret Hart needed to get over to come back to WWE was 100% mental and emotional, none of it was physical. great post. your probably right and he wouldnt have came back.but Vince(IMO)would have pursued him more agressively |
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