If Hall & Nash Never Went To WCW...

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like I say there wouldnt have been a DX.that faction was born out

1)HBKs whinging
2)Vince getting his bunghole beat and having to push the envelope
3)totally inspired by hall and Nashs antics as "funny guy heels" in WCW.

as many have said its impossible to view this properly.EVERTHING changed when the nWo was born.

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Apr 14, 2012 8:24:49 GMT -5 @cabbageconkers said:

Apr 13, 2012 14:01:08 GMT -5 Bartman said:

To my knowledge, the only matches they had together while Diesel was face was Rumble 95 and Survivor Series 95. Crowd was more pro-Hart at Rumble 95, but I can't remember their Survivor Series 1995 match too well. Even then, by the time SVS95 rolled around, Diesel as face had become incredibly stale, so I'm not sure if he would've been more over than Hart at that point. So maybe you can shed some light exactly when Diesel was as over as Hart because I agree with the earlier statement made with nobody being more over than Hart in 93-95.

I know it's 96, but the crowd are pro-Diesel in this match.

Diesel was already past his face title run and was a tweener (almost heel) by this point. Which is what the fans always wanted him to be anyway. Diesel was almost the original "Stone Cold" to which he was such a cool bad guy he got cheered. However, his title run in 1995 softened him up (combined with bad matches) and I don't think he was ever as popular as people make him out to be.

Bret Hart was THE guy from 1993-1996. Period. Nobody got a bigger reaction then him with the exception of maybe Undertaker who was close but certainly not Diesel. He was popular but he wasn't "Bret popular".

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Apr 14, 2012 12:27:52 GMT -5 @bashcrashwiley said:

Apr 14, 2012 8:24:49 GMT -5 @cabbageconkers said:

I know it's 96, but the crowd are pro-Diesel in this match.

Diesel was already past his face title run and was a tweener (almost heel) by this point. Which is what the fans always wanted him to be anyway. Diesel was almost the original "Stone Cold" to which he was such a cool bad guy he got cheered. However, his title run in 1995 softened him up (combined with bad matches) and I don't think he was ever as popular as people make him out to be.

Bret Hart was THE guy from 1993-1996. Period. Nobody got a bigger reaction then him with the exception of maybe Undertaker who was close but certainly not Diesel. He was popular but he wasn't "Bret popular".

I didn't say he was more popular, but the crowd at times did cheer for him over Bret in some of their matches. He was definately the "other" guy after Bret during the late 94-96 period IMO. Which is why WCW was so interested in aquiring him, and offered him so much money to go there.

And yes you're right, I think Diesel was the original Austin.

And btw Bret was the guy from around late 92-late 97.

[specterkev]

If not for Halla nd Nash forming the nWo I may not have got backl to become a fully time wrestling fan.. Was all about the 80's as a kid.. but early to mid 90's i was a VERY casual fan... then the nWo hit.. more specificaly Hulk hogan..the man i looked up to growing up..was a bad guy.. I was instantly hooked.. and a reborn hardcore fan

[ellisd]

Hall and Nash going to WCW is in my opinion the actual beginning of the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era was about wrestling having a 'real' feeling to it, and the Outsiders arrival in WCW was the first thing that kinda felt like it went beyond the usual wrestling storyline. It was a huge, impactful moment, that changed the face of wrestling.

As others have stated, the NWO wouldn't have happened.

Without the NWO, I don't think WCW would have hit the heights that it did.

Without WCW taking the lead in the ratings, the WWF wouldn't have had to push the envelope, thus not starting the 'Attitude Era'

Without the Attitude, alot of star wouldn't have gotten the push that they did.

However...if wrestling in general had a rise in popularity at this time, and if they could have gotten enough mainstream attention would ECW have become a bigger company as it would have offered a edgier alternative to the WWF and WCW's family programming. And if this was the case, would the WWF then slowly start into the Attitude Era to combat ECW's style?

I feel that Diesel would have had at lease one more WWF Title reign, if not more. He was a big name in the 'New Generation' that was going on at the time.

Razor probably would have turned heel, cause as someone else stated, he was getting a little stale before he left. Ironically though...with what everyone is saying about Diesel feuding with Shawn during around SSlam 96, if Razor turned heel, we may have seen Hall and Nash together as a possible team or faction.

Vader would have still been given the World Title shots, but I bet they would have used the Bulldog in Intercontinental matches.

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Apr 15, 2012 2:41:05 GMT -5 ellisd said:

Hall and Nash going to WCW is in my opinion the actual beginning of the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era was about wrestling having a 'real' feeling to it, and the Outsiders arrival in WCW was the first thing that kinda felt like it went beyond the usual wrestling storyline. It was a huge, impactful moment, that changed the face of wrestling.

As others have stated, the NWO wouldn't have happened.

Without the NWO, I don't think WCW would have hit the heights that it did.

Without WCW taking the lead in the ratings, the WWF wouldn't have had to push the envelope, thus not starting the 'Attitude Era'

Without the Attitude, alot of star wouldn't have gotten the push that they did.

However...if wrestling in general had a rise in popularity at this time, and if they could have gotten enough mainstream attention would ECW have become a bigger company as it would have offered a edgier alternative to the WWF and WCW's family programming. And if this was the case, would the WWF then slowly start into the Attitude Era to combat ECW's style?

I feel that Diesel would have had at lease one more WWF Title reign, if not more. He was a big name in the 'New Generation' that was going on at the time.

Razor probably would have turned heel, cause as someone else stated, he was getting a little stale before he left. Ironically though...with what everyone is saying about Diesel feuding with Shawn during around SSlam 96, if Razor turned heel, we may have seen Hall and Nash together as a possible team or faction.

Vader would have still been given the World Title shots, but I bet they would have used the Bulldog in Intercontinental matches.

I'm not sure WCW had so much of a "real" feel to it.

IT'S THE YETAY!

[skribbel24]

nWo wouldn't have happened.
Hence, the WWF wouldn't have had the Attitude era.
No Austin, no Rock.

[danmorganbrand]

If Hall and Nash were never born.....the wrestling industry would be saved!

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Apr 15, 2012 4:48:09 GMT -5 @danmorganbrand said:

If Hall and Nash were never born.....the wrestling industry would be saved!

...

I don't think we would of had such awesome ladder matches if we did have Hall, his ideas were also good, it was just his drinking problem.
-Not sure about Nash but without Nash and Hall, no nWo, no DX...

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Apr 15, 2012 4:43:32 GMT -5 skribbel24 said:

nWo wouldn't have happened.
Hence, the WWF wouldn't have had the Attitude era.
No Austin, no Rock.

And Triple H would of won the 1996 KOTR, which would of made him the face of the company.

[cordless2016]

Apr 15, 2012 6:35:41 GMT -5 done said:

Apr 15, 2012 4:43:32 GMT -5 skribbel24 said:

nWo wouldn't have happened.
Hence, the WWF wouldn't have had the Attitude era.
No Austin, no Rock.

And Triple H would of won the 1996 KOTR, which would of made him the face of the company.

I doubt that. HHH was not very over at the time. Sure, his friendship w/ HBK, Nash, and Hall would have helped him get a push, but he was never going to be the face of the company in 1996, even if he had won KOTR that year.

And not sure why people don't think we would have gotten DX had Nash and Hall not left. HBK and his buddies were already planting the seeds to making wrestling "more real" in 1995. The Cliq was taking over, and I'm sure we would have eventually seen them all join up on TV. Sure, Vince wouldn't have pushed the envelope as much as he did, but the envelope would have been pushed somewhat w/ those guys in charge. By 1997 we probably would have seen the Hart Foundation against the Cliq instead of DX. Steve Austin would have also have gotten his push because Bret was a big supporter of his in 1996, so we probably would have seen Austin as the wild card going up against both groups on his own.

As for Rocky, he would have still eventually joined the NOD, and would have still been able to showcase his amazing charisma, so he also would have eventually made it to the top, just maybe not as fast. Remember, HBK's back was in bad shape and would have still been gone for a few years. Hall most likely would have been released around 1998-1999 for his demons. Bret said he wanted to be done wrestling by 2000, and that would have left a void in the roster for Rocky, Austin, and Foley to fill.

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Apr 15, 2012 10:31:21 GMT -5 cordless2016 said:

Apr 15, 2012 6:35:41 GMT -5 done said:

And Triple H would of won the 1996 KOTR, which would of made him the face of the company.

I doubt that. HHH was not very over at the time. Sure, his friendship w/ HBK, Nash, and Hall would have helped him get a push, but he was never going to be the face of the company in 1996, even if he had won KOTR that year.

And not sure why people don't think we would have gotten DX had Nash and Hall not left. HBK and his buddies were already planting the seeds to making wrestling "more real" in 1995. The Cliq was taking over, and I'm sure we would have eventually seen them all join up on TV. Sure, Vince wouldn't have pushed the envelope as much as he did, but the envelope would have been pushed somewhat w/ those guys in charge. By 1997 we probably would have seen the Hart Foundation against the Cliq instead of DX. Steve Austin would have also have gotten his push because Bret was a big supporter of his in 1996, so we probably would have seen Austin as the wild card going up against both groups on his own.

As for Rocky, he would have still eventually joined the NOD, and would have still been able to showcase his amazing charisma, so he also would have eventually made it to the top, just maybe not as fast. Remember, HBK's back was in bad shape and would have still been gone for a few years. Hall most likely would have been released around 1998-1999 for his demons. Bret said he wanted to be done wrestling by 2000, and that would have left a void in the roster for Rocky, Austin, and Foley to fill.

-Whoops, I didn't actually mean that same year.
Plus I think he would of gotten some sort of push, I'm still gonna go with the face of the company thing, because if HBK's back injury did still happen - maybe they would of used Hunter to take his place?

[ellisd]

Apr 15, 2012 4:14:28 GMT -5 @cabbageconkers said:

Apr 15, 2012 2:41:05 GMT -5 ellisd said:

Hall and Nash going to WCW is in my opinion the actual beginning of the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era was about wrestling having a 'real' feeling to it, and the Outsiders arrival in WCW was the first thing that kinda felt like it went beyond the usual wrestling storyline. It was a huge, impactful moment, that changed the face of wrestling.

As others have stated, the NWO wouldn't have happened.

Without the NWO, I don't think WCW would have hit the heights that it did.

Without WCW taking the lead in the ratings, the WWF wouldn't have had to push the envelope, thus not starting the 'Attitude Era'

Without the Attitude, alot of star wouldn't have gotten the push that they did.

However...if wrestling in general had a rise in popularity at this time, and if they could have gotten enough mainstream attention would ECW have become a bigger company as it would have offered a edgier alternative to the WWF and WCW's family programming. And if this was the case, would the WWF then slowly start into the Attitude Era to combat ECW's style?

I feel that Diesel would have had at lease one more WWF Title reign, if not more. He was a big name in the 'New Generation' that was going on at the time.

Razor probably would have turned heel, cause as someone else stated, he was getting a little stale before he left. Ironically though...with what everyone is saying about Diesel feuding with Shawn during around SSlam 96, if Razor turned heel, we may have seen Hall and Nash together as a possible team or faction.

Vader would have still been given the World Title shots, but I bet they would have used the Bulldog in Intercontinental matches.

I'm not sure WCW had so much of a "real" feel to it.

IT'S THE YETAY!

I never said WCW had a 'real' feel to it, i said the Attitude Era did. It was a time period were a lot of what was going on was made to look like it was more than just a storyline....the nwo invasion seeming as if Hall and Nash were taking over WCW for the WWF, various backstage segments which weren't as common before, etc. It seemed as if we were seeing deeper into wrestling than ever before, when in actuality it was just a new way of storytelling.

[robinsonben36]

For anyone interested, Kayfabe Commentaries has a DVD out where Raven books Hall and Nash going to ECW instead of WCW. It's fantastic and he throws a lot of creative twists into the mix. I highly recommend it.

[Brad]

Apr 26, 2012 22:49:21 GMT -5 @robinsonben36 said:

For anyone interested, Kayfabe Commentaries has a DVD out where Raven books Hall and Nash going to ECW instead of WCW. It's fantastic and he throws a lot of creative twists into the mix. I highly recommend it.

That sounds interesting

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Apr 26, 2012 22:49:21 GMT -5 @robinsonben36 said:

For anyone interested, Kayfabe Commentaries has a DVD out where Raven books Hall and Nash going to ECW instead of WCW. It's fantastic and he throws a lot of creative twists into the mix. I highly recommend it.

I seen that too and yes I agree its very good.