Vince Russo

[mfunston20]

Did he jump shift to WCW or was he release from his contract from WWE before he left?

[Bullgod]

He jumped
He was never actually under a contract to WWE so he didnt need a release.

[Deleted]

he jumped and didnt even tell Vince to his face..what a hack piece of craphe truly is.

without Vince to tell him "well these 98 ideas are total crapBUT with work these 2 could be good"

he was effin nothing.

[Bullgod]

He still actually takes credit for "making" The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin,

[Stinger TNA]

Yeah he does seem to honestly think he made Austin etc

I'm sure he contributed something but not that much

[Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai]

Without the talent to make the material work, creative is just words on a page. For anyone to claim they "made" The Rock or Stone Cold by simply writing some storylines is patently ridiculous. The creative might have been decent, but those men made their careers by being legendary performers.

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Jan 31, 2012 7:04:23 GMT -5 Bullgod said:

He still actually takes credit for "making" The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin,

he can claim all he wants.

everyone should see "Cornette on WWE in 1997"its one heck of a shoot and it has some insight into how clueless Russo was.

[tnafan17: The Total Package]

Jan 31, 2012 19:41:36 GMT -5 JokerFC said:

Jan 31, 2012 7:04:23 GMT -5 Bullgod said:

He still actually takes credit for "making" The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin,

he can claim all he wants.

everyone should see "Cornette on WWE in 1997"its one heck of a shoot and it has some insight into how clueless Russo was.

I'm definitely thinking of checking this out.

Yeah, I'm also a believer that Russo claims to be something he's not. Just like stated in the WCW video, he is truely a one trick pony.

[jakksking1]

I believe Cornette said something that Vince Russo had some success in WWF cause Vince McMahon would be his filter. Once he went to WCW and had free reign, he was horrendous.

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Jan 31, 2012 22:58:33 GMT -5 jakksking1 said:

I believe Cornette said something that Vince Russo had some success in WWF cause Vince McMahon would be his filter. Once he went to WCW and had free reign, he was horrendous.

yup the way Cornette put it was this

Russo:heres 100 ideas for ya Vince!!

Vince:well 98 of these are total crap.....but maybe between all of us we can do something with these 2.....

it was Russo that pushed for the Patriots WWF debut to happen in Canada.....so the folks at home would see a live crowd boo the snot outta him when he confronted the Hart Foundation.

typical of his idiocy but shocking that Vinnie didnt see that this would assasinate The Patriots career in WWF

[nibs92]

Now correct me if i'm wrong but did Russo not want to turn the Rock Gay?

I don't rate him at all. The guy likes to shock people but in my opinion he falls short of this in two ways.

Firstly a shock has to make sense and have some logic to it.

Secondly, if all you ever see is "shocks" , they lose their impact.

I've read plenty about it but not seen much of his reign in WCW and glad i haven't. I think sitting through it would put me off wrestling altogether.

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Feb 1, 2012 18:04:48 GMT -5 nibs92 said:

Now correct me if i'm wrong but did Russo not want to turn the Rock Gay?

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well I have never heard that but it honestly wouldnt suprise me.

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Feb 1, 2012 18:04:48 GMT -5 nibs92 said:

Now correct me if i'm wrong but did Russo not want to turn the Rock Gay?

LMAO!

+1 just for posting that...

[nibs92]

Feb 1, 2012 18:16:02 GMT -5 JokerFC said:

Feb 1, 2012 18:04:48 GMT -5 nibs92 said:

Now correct me if i'm wrong but did Russo not want to turn the Rock Gay?

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well I have never heard that but it honestly wouldnt suprise me.

I'm a bit sketchy with the details but i think they hired Russo back after his time with WCW to be a part of the creative team.

this would be around 2002. This was his latest thing that the fans wouldn't expect to happen. I wish i could remember it fully but it was either the Rock or someone hugely popular that he suggested should be gay.

He didn't last long in the job! i'd like to say he only lasted a day but i think it was a little longer than that. i'll need to look it up1

[jakksking1]

I've never heard that story before, nibs, but I would bet my life he pitched that idea. That would have been one of his better ideas, too

[drifter]

This was the sum up of Russo's 2002 stint back in WWE, from Wiki.

Russo later returned to WWE in mid 2002 but quickly left after saying that there was "no way in the world that this thing would work out...I felt there were layers upon layers of people to go through to get my ideas accepted."[14]

In Russo's book Rope Opera, Russo said he called Vince McMahon when the WWE's Raw rating went below a 4.0.[15] After meeting McMahon at his house, Russo proposed his main story of having McMahon hiring Eric Bischoff to be the General Manager of the company. McMahon would then torture Bischoff due to their previous history; Bischoff would then use his past relationships with previous WCW talent and get to McMahon's son Shane which would eventually lead to Vince McMahon losing power.[15]

Vince McMahon eventually introduced Russo to the creative team, which consisted of Michael Hayes, Paul Heyman and in Russo's words, "children, all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, while looking scared to death at the same time."[15] Russo then spent three hours laying out one year of storylines and characters to the team to which nobody on the team said anything to.[15]

Rumor has it that the idea he put forward was an entire restart of the WCW Invasion, featuring previously unsigned talent such as Bill Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Eric Bischoff and Bret Hart.[16][17] The reports imply that his idea was so poorly received that Russo was immediately demoted from the position of 'Head Creative Director' to that of a "consultant". Russo states in an interview that after a meeting with the WWE creative team, he got a call from McMahon who said that Russo should be a "consultant" instead.[14] He was then sent a contract to sign but prior to signing, Russo wanted to explore other options and have more of a "hands-on" influence on the creative product.[14]

As a result, Russo then left of his own accord (turning down a $125,000 per year stay-at-home ‘advisory’ role with WWE in favor of a $100,000 per year full-time position with TNA).[18]

and while on the topic of ole Russo, a favorite quote from his book, that has been posted around the web lots of times:

"A few weeks prior to signing with WCW, I witnessed Hogan wrestle Flair on Nitro. Now strictly from a fan perspective, it was very hard to watch. What I witnessed that night was two legends that were shells of their former selves still trying to do it. Watching Hogan & Flair that night just wasn't right. In my opinion the bookers were just exploiting them to try to pop a number. It was a desperate situation and that's exactly the way it came across on TV."

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I'm shocked Russo isn't still booking behind the scenes somewhere. Did anybody else watch Smackdown this past Friday where Natalya farted? It literally REEKED of Russo.

[drifter]

Feb 1, 2012 21:17:25 GMT -5 @bashcrashwiley said:

I'm shocked Russo isn't still booking behind the scenes somewhere. Did anybody else watch Smackdown this past Friday where Natalya farted? It literally REEKED of Russo.

It also reeks of another Vince, though: McMahon. Remember, while he's got a lot of smarts in the business, Vinnie also is notorious for his juvenile sense of humor, and it's known that many times, the writers come up with stuff, that will get Vince laugh, even if they know the fans won't think it's funny.

[Deleted]

Vince has plenty of smarts but they only seem to show up when his back is against the wall or has a serious challenge ahead.........

pity really.

[Liu Kangaroo]

Feb 1, 2012 21:10:06 GMT -5 drifter said:

This was the sum up of Russo's 2002 stint back in WWE, from Wiki.

Russo later returned to WWE in mid 2002 but quickly left after saying that there was "no way in the world that this thing would work out...I felt there were layers upon layers of people to go through to get my ideas accepted."[14]

In Russo's book Rope Opera, Russo said he called Vince McMahon when the WWE's Raw rating went below a 4.0.[15] After meeting McMahon at his house, Russo proposed his main story of having McMahon hiring Eric Bischoff to be the General Manager of the company. McMahon would then torture Bischoff due to their previous history; Bischoff would then use his past relationships with previous WCW talent and get to McMahon's son Shane which would eventually lead to Vince McMahon losing power.[15]

Vince McMahon eventually introduced Russo to the creative team, which consisted of Michael Hayes, Paul Heyman and in Russo's words, "children, all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, while looking scared to death at the same time."[15] Russo then spent three hours laying out one year of storylines and characters to the team to which nobody on the team said anything to.[15]

Rumor has it that the idea he put forward was an entire restart of the WCW Invasion, featuring previously unsigned talent such as Bill Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Eric Bischoff and Bret Hart.[16][17] The reports imply that his idea was so poorly received that Russo was immediately demoted from the position of 'Head Creative Director' to that of a "consultant". Russo states in an interview that after a meeting with the WWE creative team, he got a call from McMahon who said that Russo should be a "consultant" instead.[14] He was then sent a contract to sign but prior to signing, Russo wanted to explore other options and have more of a "hands-on" influence on the creative product.[14]

As a result, Russo then left of his own accord (turning down a $125,000 per year stay-at-home ‘advisory’ role with WWE in favor of a $100,000 per year full-time position with TNA).[18]

and while on the topic of ole Russo, a favorite quote from his book, that has been posted around the web lots of times:

"A few weeks prior to signing with WCW, I witnessed Hogan wrestle Flair on Nitro. Now strictly from a fan perspective, it was very hard to watch. What I witnessed that night was two legends that were shells of their former selves still trying to do it. Watching Hogan & Flair that night just wasn't right. In my opinion the bookers were just exploiting them to try to pop a number. It was a desperate situation and that's exactly the way it came across on TV."

Those two ideas are actually really good, if true. I would've loved to see those stories play out However, when speaking about Vince Russo, for every one or two good ideas there's about one hundred stupid nonsensical bull$hit ideas.