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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 16, 2011 18:41:06 GMT -5
Back in 2002, the WWE re-introducted the World Title on Raw and handed it to Triple H, basically saying he was the best and everybody else was crap. It has always bugged me how they just gave him the title w/out actually having to fight for it. I was wondering if you guys would have booked it any differently had you been in charge?
I would have simply booked a small tournament for the title. Simply giving the title to Hunter hurt the roster more IMO than having Hunter win a small tournament. It could have still ended w/ Hunter going over RVD at Unforgiven. Just giving the title to him was probably due to his backstage politicing back then.
How would you guys have re-introduced the title?
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 16, 2011 18:44:47 GMT -5
Triple H was never a major draw, he didn't deserve atleast half of his world titles. Van Dam was the hottest wrestler on the planet, i could care less if he couldn't '' talk'' , nobody cared.
People were tired of talking, tired of inring promos, hell i still am. RVD was all action and if showcased right could have been the man.
Bad as it sounds i really wish that his 01 quad tear would have finished him.
Rant/
I would have held a tournament that Van Dam won and built Raw around him and that belt. Jericho would have been the top heel btw.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 16, 2011 19:19:09 GMT -5
I agree w/ RVD being the most over guy in the company back in 2002. The guy was over big-time and Raw should have been built around him. Hunter always claimed that RVD would mess it up, and while RVD did mess up in 2006, that was long after he stopped giving a crap. Back in 2002, he was constantly putting on 5-star matches, and it didn't matter that he didn't talk well. He was seen as an "average joe" type character, and the fans got behind him for his great in-ring work. I've said it multiple times in other topics that RVD should have been given a world title run back in 2002.
I've always liked Triple H, but his run from 2002-2004 ruined Raw and made SD the far superior show IMO. He killed off the potential that any other guy had on Raw of joining him in the ME besides his buddy HBK. After killing off RVD, Booker T, and Kane, the WWE was forced to bring in Scott Steiner, Goldberg, and Kevin Nash to make up for a lack of ME faces to challenge him. After going through them, they were forced to move Chris Benoit to Raw to be a new challenger. Though Benoit's title run was good, he always played second-fiddle during his title run to Hunter and his feuds w/ HBK and Eugene. Randy Orton was turned face and killed off because Hunter didn't want Orton becoming the #1 heel on Raw either. Jericho's ME push was killed when Hunter returned in 2002, and he always played the #2 heel to Hunter on Raw, and then was a mid-card face in 2004.
Raw had so much potential from 2002-2004 to pushed new guys, yet it became a bore fest by mid-2003 w/ Hunter still dominating the ME scene.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 21:11:03 GMT -5
I always HATED how they just handed over the belt to Triple H and then tried to make up for it by having him win endless amounts of matches over the following year to show how he "deserved" the title.
They could have just had a one night tournament or something and it would've saved us a lot of headache. That still bugs me that they just handed him the belt for no reason. Foolish.
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Post by nightowl on Nov 16, 2011 21:47:50 GMT -5
I've always liked Triple H, but his run from 2002-2004 ruined Raw and made SD the far superior show IMO. He killed off the potential that any other guy had on Raw of joining him in the ME besides his buddy HBK. After killing off RVD, Booker T, and Kane, the WWE was forced to bring in Scott Steiner, Goldberg, and Kevin Nash to make up for a lack of ME faces to challenge him. After going through them, they were forced to move Chris Benoit to Raw to be a new challenger. Though Benoit's title run was good, he always played second-fiddle during his title run to Hunter and his feuds w/ HBK and Eugene. Randy Orton was turned face and killed off because Hunter didn't want Orton becoming the #1 heel on Raw either. Jericho's ME push was killed when Hunter returned in 2002, and he always played the #2 heel to Hunter on Raw, and then was a mid-card face in 2004. Raw had so much potential from 2002-2004 to pushed new guys, yet it became a bore fest by mid-2003 w/ Hunter still dominating the ME scene. I completely agree with everything you just stated. I've always disliked the fact that hardly anyone got a chance to held the gold even though they were being build up, all because Trips wanted to stay on top. To answer the question, I would of also have held a tournament to crown a new champion. I would of pretty much had something similar to Steph introducing the SmackDown Tag Titles that same year. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 16, 2011 22:06:43 GMT -5
Hunter was over, and didn't need the title as much as he did. Some of his feuds didn't need it either. His feud w/ Kevin Nash in 2003 is a great example. Their feud was about their broken friendship, and the title hardly ever factored into it, yet Hunter still was walking around with it.
I would have booked it w/ Hunter winning a tournament for the new World Title, but then he would have droped it to either RVD, Kane, or Booker T. All three of these guys were over big time from 2002-2003, and Hunter could have put one of them over instead of killing them all. RVD was always Hunter's go to guy whenever he had nothing to do and wanted to squash someone. Kane was ruined by that Katie Vick storyline and Hunter still beating him at the end of the feud. Hunter was then the one to take his mask away w/ no build up 6 months later. Booker T had all of his acomplishments from WCW trashed, and was even forced to admit that his WCW title reigns were a joke himself on TV. Hunter said that "his people" don't win world titles, and then went to prove it by defeating Booker at WM.
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Post by jammer311 on Nov 17, 2011 1:55:59 GMT -5
A few years ago, a former Raw writer from that time frame actually wrote a blog on how RVD was actually scheduled to be the World Champion. But at the last minute they decided to give it to Triple H. It just seemed that Triple H tried to bury RVD then. RVD was the man, then he ended up jobbing out to Triple H, got into a feud with Flair, and then ended up tagging with Kane and making a run for the Tag Titles (again, after Triple H buried Kane by taking the IC Title off of him at No Mercy).
In short, what I am trying to say is.... Triple H liked to bury people. It seemed he wasn't happy until he was the only guy. I am willing to bet he loved that Raw a few weeks ago when it was only him in the ring and everyone else left. Finally he achieved his life long goal as to be the only wrestler in the WWE.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Nov 17, 2011 10:35:55 GMT -5
As much as I hated the fact that Hunter was just handed the championship and that they could have done a tournament, there was a storyline explanation as to why Triple H was just handed the WHC,
Back on Raw the day after Summerslam 2002 the Main Event was Triple H v. The Undertaker with the winner becoming the #1 Contender to Brock Lesnar's WWE Undisputed Championship. Triple H actually beat the Undertaker in the match to become #1 Contender and face Brock. Right after the match Stephanie McMahon announced that Brock Lesnar had signed an exclusive contract to Smackdown and that the belt was now Smackdown property, therefore Raw guys couldn't challenge for it. (This was back when the brand extension was more separated than it has been in years). On Smackdown Undertaker was announced as #1 Contender to Brock and a match was made for Unforgiven.
The next week on Raw Eric Bischoff said that Triple H was the rightful #1 Contender to the WWE Championship and since he was locked out of getting his title match because the WWE Championship was now exclusive to Smackdown, Bischoff brought back the World Heavyweight Championship and gave it to Triple H seeing as he was the #1 Contender. Much like when Cena got hurt and Vince gave Orton the belt. Triple H then had to defend the title against Ric Flair that night,
I hated the 2002-2003 burial tour of Triple H as much as the next guy, but, while a tournament or something would have been better, I always understood why Triple H was just handed the belt. If anything it saved us from a Tournament or Battle Royal burial by the H
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 17, 2011 12:04:16 GMT -5
Yeah I remember Hunter was the #1 contender to the WWE Title when Brock became exclusive to SD, but simply giving him the World Title the next week burried every other guy on Raw, especially after Eric gave that super long speech about Hunter being superior to everyone else. I guess giving him the title or having a tournament would have resulted in Hunter burrying everyone no matter what, but simply just handing him the title was a big FU to everyone else in the locker room and only done to stroke Hunter's ego.
His first world title run in 2002 was ridiculous because he wasn't just satisfied w/ burrying guys w/ potential. Even mid-carders like Buh Buh Ray Dudley, The Hurricane, and D'Lo Brown were thrown into pointless matches w/ Hunter on Raw because their was literally no other main eventer to feud w/ him until HBK came back in November.
RVD was the most over guy in the company during the 1st half of 2002, but after his feud w/ Hunter, was nothing more than a mid-carder. Kane was massively over when he returned in the fall of 2002, yet after that whole Katie Vick storyline and loosing to Hunter, he was in the same spot as RVD. Booker T was the only big face on Raw that was over besides HBK by WM19, so was thrown into a feud w/ Hunter where his accomplishments were trashed and he, of course, jobbed to Hunter ended up w/ RVD and Kane as mid-carders w/ no character direction.
From 2002-2004, Raw only had 2 guys who were seen as legitimate MEs after feuding w/ Hunter, and that was Hunter himself and HBK. SD had Lesnar, Taker, Angle, Big Show, Benoit, Guerrero, JBL, and Cena all taking turns in the main feuds, which led to the best period SD ever had IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 12:36:04 GMT -5
I felt they really pushed Kane to the moon and then pulled the carpet completely out from under him with the Katie Vick/Triple H crap. I think he even held the Tag Team & Intercontinental titles at the same time and seemed to be more over than at any point of his career.
Then...Katie Vick and his loss to Triple H just set him back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 14:01:45 GMT -5
yet another example of HHH being kept away from Lesnar.not only did he and his  ing cretin wife keep Champ In law from losing to lesnar on a major stage they brought back another title to cement the seperation. after HHH lost the title to Hogan in 2002(leading to the infamous backstage temper tantrum by steph)you can bet your effin bottom dollar they said to themselves it would never happen again.and spent the whole summer opf 02 building to this.so ol "Snout Spout" was kept away from Brock. at least HBK relieved him of it at SS02(one of the reasons that event is so beloved IMO) a truly effin INFURIATING time to be a fan. |
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Post by Focalin on Nov 17, 2011 18:38:07 GMT -5
yet another example of HHH being kept away from Lesnar.not only did he and his ing cretin wife keep Champ In law from losing to lesnar on a major stage they brought back another title to cement the seperation. after HHH lost the title to Hogan in 2002(leading to the infamous backstage temper tantrum by steph)you can bet your effin bottom dollar they said to themselves it would never happen again.and spent the whole summer opf 02 building to this.so ol "Snout Spout" was kept away from Brock. at least HBK relieved him of it at SS02(one of the reasons that event is so beloved IMO) a truly effin INFURIATING time to be a fan. I wasn't an internet fan back in 02, so I have no idea what you're talking about....what's this temper tantrum you speak of? |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 17, 2011 18:48:52 GMT -5
I haven't heard of Steph's tantrum, but I remember at the time that Hunter was super pissed when asked to drop the title to Hogan. After the big reaction Hogan got at WM18, Vince wanted to put the title on him to see if he could bring in new viewers. Hunter protested dropping the title, and when Hogan's title reign bombed, Hunter was even more pissed about losing to a guy in his 50s.
I remember that it was also origionally booked to be HHH vs Scott Hall at WM18 as part of a WWF vs nWo feud, but Hunter and Steph nixed it and convinced Vince to make Hunter the top face. He got his wish and was given the Undisputed Title at WM18. Problem was that Hunter was a lame face, and people didn't get behind a "good guy" Triple H.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 19, 2011 13:13:15 GMT -5
I remember when Triple H also helped plot the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And then he had the nerve to fake the moon landing. I read it all on the internet so it must be true.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 19, 2011 15:55:53 GMT -5
I remember when Triple H also helped plot the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And then he had the nerve to fake the moon landing. I read it all on the internet so it must be true. No way me too  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 15:57:13 GMT -5
I remember when Triple H also helped plot the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And then he had the nerve to fake the moon landing. I read it all on the internet so it must be true. That's a little out of context. I don't think it's news to anyone that Triple H did and still does have pull backstage. Some stories are probably fabricated and/or exaggerated but that doesn't mean there's still some truth in them. All you have to do is watch the Wrestlemania 19 documentary on the Wrestlemania 20 DVD and Triple H says right in front of the camera that Booker T is "inconsistent". Besides, isn't 90% of the WWE/TNA boards based off of things people are reading on the internet? |
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Post by jasonphoenix1 on Nov 19, 2011 19:39:14 GMT -5
Yes I would have done a tournament but I would have done it like they did the IC title in 97 over a period of time not one night. Here would have been the roster based on 2002 and the draft I would have used
Round One
Ric Flair
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Mr. Perfect
Winner Perfect
Kane
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Chris Benoit
Winner Kane
Booker T
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Bubba Ray
Winner Booker T
Steve Austin
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Scott Hall
Winner Scott Hall
Kevin Nash
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Jeff Hardy
Winner Kevin Nash
Big Show
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X-pac
Winner Big Show
Undertaker
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Goldust
Winner Goldust
HHH
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Brock Lesnar
Winner HHH
Round Two
Mr. Perfect
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Kane
Winner Kane
Booker T
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Scott Hall
Winner Booker T
Kevin Nash
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Big Show
Winner Big Show
Goldust
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HHH
Winner HHH
Semi Finals
Kane
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Booker T
Winner Kane
Big Show
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HHH
Winner HHH
Finals
Kane
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HHH
Winner and World Champion HHH
X-pac causes Austin to lose
Austin causes X-pac to lose
Lesnar causes Taker to lose
Taker Cause Lesnar to lose and set's up they're fued
Austin causes Hall & Nash to lose they're matches seting up they're fued
Ric Flair helps HHH win the title
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 19, 2011 20:05:22 GMT -5
yeah,definitely should've been a tournament....at least give the Belt a CHANCE at legitimacy,rather than devalueing it right at the start...
also,i never did hear about the Steph temper tantrum before....someone please elaborate!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 0:47:23 GMT -5
6 Pack Challenge
Triple H vs Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho vs Rob Van Dam vs Kane vs Booker T
Basically the first elimination chamber match
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 6:31:48 GMT -5
I remember when Triple H also helped plot the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And then he had the nerve to fake the moon landing. I read it all on the internet so it must be true. so your are denying his massive stroke backstage from his return in 02(and before)? I believe Stephs backstage tantrum was over Vince changing the plan for Backlash 02 to Hogan going over,he basically overruled her as head of creative without any conferring beforehand. on this subject Im with HHH and Steph......Hogan going over HHH was the wrong move.our reasoning is different but it was still wrong. |
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