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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 21, 2011 7:46:46 GMT -5
i can definitely agree with that....backstage influence/power aside, Triple H just cam back in January, to a monster push,was over with the fans,and you give him the Undisputed World Championship at WrestleMania - only to lose it a month later to a 50 year old Hogan? that made NO sense,booking-wise,other than Vince feeling nostalgic,and thinking he han resurrect Hulkamania for one more profitable run...
hell,HOGAN himself said he originally was booked to job out to HHH,and said he was happy to do so,as it would help make Trips a bigger star,but then was surprised when told shortly before the PPV that it was changed and he was going over instead...
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Post by Stinger TNA on Nov 21, 2011 8:22:13 GMT -5
i wanted kane to have the belt back then, even RVD
Could have been so different if it had of gone that way
As said RVD was very dedicated back then
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Nov 21, 2011 9:13:02 GMT -5
I always understood why Trips got the belt, he was the #1 contender, and the last guy who had the World Title, so I always thought it made sense.
I would say though, even though I don't like him, Trips should never have lost to Hogan, made no sense, could it have been a way to stop Taker from beating Trips at JD?
But I have only recently heard from this board (best board on the Forum btw) about Trips' ways backstage. Crazy how much pull he had and how much he changed things, however 2002 was a weird time anyway. The roster was stacked as shit, it was full of possibly Main Eventers, however instead of push them and make more stars, it seems Trips just buried them or Vince did it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 19:34:32 GMT -5
i As said RVD was very dedicated back then yes he was and could have been MASSIVE for Vince if faith had been shown in him but it wasnt.HHH(and others to be fair)said RVD was reckless and careless and in the first EC he injured HHHs throat with the botched splash from the booth............cue 4 more years in the mid card. then he proved the above naysayers right AGAIN.Jesus I was furious with him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 19:42:45 GMT -5
I always understood why Trips got the belt, he was the #1 contender, and the last guy who had the World Title, so I always thought it made sense. I would say though, even though I don't like him, Trips should never have lost to Hogan, made no sense, could it have been a way to stop Taker from beating Trips at JD? But I have only recently heard from this board (best board on the Forum btw) about Trips' ways backstage. Crazy how much pull he had and how much he changed things, however 2002 was a weird time anyway. The roster was stacked as poop, it was full of possibly Main Eventers, however instead of push them and make more stars, it seems Trips just buried them or Vince did it. I genuinely dont think it was a way to stop ol Champ In Law from jobbing to Taker because he and Stephanie were said to be furious at Vinces decision to put Hogan over.......apparently she pleaded with Vinnie to change his mind but Vince and Kevin Dunne were convinced it was the right way to go. also while Im here-Kevin Dunnes backstage power in his capacity as boss of production should NEVER be underestimated.Vince listens to him and he has been by Vinces side in the same job longer than anyone. and yes this is the best board on the forum by a country phucking mile.....with the best posters. |
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Post by marino13 on Nov 23, 2011 16:39:03 GMT -5
I remember when Triple H also helped plot the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And then he had the nerve to fake the moon landing. I read it all on the internet so it must be true. so your are denying his massive stroke backstage from his return in 02(and before)? I believe Stephs backstage tantrum was over Vince changing the plan for Backlash 02 to Hogan going over,he basically overruled her as head of creative without any conferring beforehand. on this subject Im with HHH and Steph......Hogan going over HHH was the wrong move.our reasoning is different but it was still wrong. I'm not denying that Triple H had stroke. But having stroke isn't anything new to wrestling. Guys like Dusty, Flair, Lawler, Hogan, HBK, & Jarrett have all made themselves household names with their stroke. But when it comes to Triple H, most fans believe every story they read on the internet. They want to believe that Triple H is responsible for every decision they don't approve of. When the truth is no matter how much we read the dirtsheets, none of us know what really goes on behind the scenes. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 23, 2011 18:21:39 GMT -5
so your are denying his massive stroke backstage from his return in 02(and before)? I believe Stephs backstage tantrum was over Vince changing the plan for Backlash 02 to Hogan going over,he basically overruled her as head of creative without any conferring beforehand. on this subject Im with HHH and Steph......Hogan going over HHH was the wrong move.our reasoning is different but it was still wrong. I'm not denying that Triple H had stroke. But having stroke isn't anything new to wrestling. Guys like Dusty, Flair, Lawler, Hogan, HBK, & Jarrett have all made themselves household names with their stroke. But when it comes to Triple H, most fans believe every story they read on the internet. They want to believe that Triple H is responsible for every decision they don't approve of. When the truth is no matter how much we read the dirtsheets, none of us know what really goes on behind the scenes. But guys like Booker T, Goldberg, RVD, and Scott Steiner have all come out in interviews about how Hunter basically ran things on Raw during his reign of dominance. I believe that RVD was the one that said that Hunter didn't have much in common w/ alot of the guys and didn't "hangout" w/ them much. Plus, after Hunter defeated and humiliated Goldberg in the Elimination Chamber, while he had a legit groin injury and couldn't go much, I don't think its that hard to see how much "power" HHH really did, and does have, w/ Vince and creative. |
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Post by Rule 30 on Nov 23, 2011 18:23:41 GMT -5
Would have given to Rob Van Dam at Unforgiven.
Also would have given Booker a run with the strap.
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Post by K5 on Nov 24, 2011 13:01:10 GMT -5
totally a tournament - you had so much talent that was ready to shine, booker t, rvd, even bully ray amongst others on raw, and they just got buried and jobbed to hhh one at a time.
that was such a wcw move to give hhh the belt for no goddam reason...and by bischoff of all people!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 19:21:39 GMT -5
yeah a tournament would have been aawesome......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 23:32:57 GMT -5
Honestly, any way other than Bischoff saying "here" and giving Triple H the belt would've been awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 7:06:13 GMT -5
Honestly, any way other than Bischoff saying "here" and giving Triple H the belt would've been awesome. LOL yeah thats true. |
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Post by Liu Kangaroo on Nov 29, 2011 19:04:42 GMT -5
If they did a tournament, they should have given HHH an automatic slot in the quarter-finals since he technically was the number one contender before Lesnar took the WWE Title to SmackDown.
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Post by done on Nov 29, 2011 21:12:05 GMT -5
A few years ago, a former Raw writer from that time frame actually wrote a blog on how RVD was actually scheduled to be the World Champion. But at the last minute they decided to give it to Triple H. It just seemed that Triple H tried to bury RVD then. RVD was the man, then he ended up jobbing out to Triple H, got into a feud with Flair, and then ended up tagging with Kane and making a run for the Tag Titles (again, after Triple H buried Kane by taking the IC Title off of him at No Mercy). In short, what I am trying to say is.... Triple H liked to bury people. It seemed he wasn't happy until he was the only guy. I am willing to bet he loved that Raw a few weeks ago when it was only him in the ring and everyone else left. Finally he achieved his
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Post by Dan on Dec 1, 2011 5:18:37 GMT -5
They should of booked it as a Tournament, but had RVD look on top form during his Matches cruising through and looking a real legit Contender, while Triple H should of had to luckily win his Round Matches and cheat his way to victory looking like he was just scraping through the rounds.
Triple H should of met RVD in the Final at Unforgiven, with RVD going into the Match with all the momentum while people were questioning Triple H and whether he could pull it off. Ric Flair Heel Turn and screw RVD out of the Title, Triple H takes the World Heavyweight Championship, and with Ric Flair at his side now gets the confidence he needs to become the old cerebral assassin and bad-ass that he used to be, and dominates everyone as World Champion.
He should of held it all the way to Wrestlemania XIX then dropped it to Booker T who would of overcome all the odds and finally won his 6th World Title.
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Post by K5 on Dec 2, 2011 1:55:18 GMT -5
^ that, despite not being exactly how i would've done it, would have more than sufficed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2011 16:02:34 GMT -5
They should of booked it as a Tournament, but had RVD look on top form during his Matches cruising through and looking a real legit Contender, while Triple H should of had to luckily win his Round Matches and cheat his way to victory looking like he was just scraping through the rounds. Triple H should of met RVD in the Final at Unforgiven, with RVD going into the Match with all the momentum while people were questioning Triple H and whether he could pull it off. Ric Flair Heel Turn and screw RVD out of the Title, Triple H takes the World Heavyweight Championship, and with Ric Flair at his side now gets the confidence he needs to become the old cerebral assassin and bad-ass that he used to be, and dominates everyone as World Champion. He should of held it all the way to Wrestlemania XIX then dropped it to Booker T who would of overcome all the odds and finally won his 6th World Title. I like that but I would have put the strap on RVD at WM19. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 2, 2011 17:21:22 GMT -5
After jobbing to Hunter and Evolution a few times during the fall of 2002, RVD lost alot of momentum and didn't have that same appeal IMO that he had during his awsome 2002 run. Booker hadn't been squashed yet so I would have put the title on him at WM19.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2011 8:28:48 GMT -5
After jobbing to Hunter and Evolution a few times during the fall of 2002, RVD lost alot of momentum and didn't have that same appeal IMO that he had during his awsome 2002 run. Booker hadn't been squashed yet so I would have put the title on him at WM19. yeah I was talking in terms of him not being squashed in fall 2002. if he hadnt been and was allowed win the Rumble maybe or at least look great in it he was the way to go. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 3, 2011 11:28:20 GMT -5
Agreed. RVD was w/out a doubt the most over guy in the WWE during 2002. No matter where the WWE went he got the biggest pops and had signs and his foam RVD hands all over the arenas. I never understood where the idea came that he was never a draw and never a main event player since he was over like crazy and everybody back then practically begged the WWE to put the world title on him. Looking at the support Zack Ryder has from fans today, it's nothing compared to the support RVD had from the fans back in 2002.
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