nibs92
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Post by nibs92 on Nov 7, 2011 6:27:54 GMT -5
i think size and personality had a lot to do with it.
a great wrestler no doubt at all but he couldn't cut a decent promo, so couldn't connect with the casual fan.
and at under 6ft he didn't fit the idea Mcmahon had of a bona fide main eventer
his strengths were putting guys over and giving them 5 star matches on the way to the top of the card.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 7:08:32 GMT -5
ok Ill allow this thread BUT at the first sign of crap-its gone.either talk about Benoits career or dont post.
I have to agree with Nibs.the guy could really deliver in ring but failed to connect with fans long term.
yes his RR win was well received and MSG webnt nuts when he beat the hated HHH but after that it went flat.kane in 2004 was so effin bland it wasnt even funny-he was no opponent for Benoit.
but like The Ultimate Warriors reign it wasnt about Benoit.Raw at the time was ALL about HHH and Evolution.Benoit was just holding the belt for Orton from about June.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Nov 7, 2011 10:02:13 GMT -5
Benoit was my favourite wrestler ever. He always seemed to be on the verge of being the headline name but he was around in a time of Austin, HHH, Rock, Taker and the like. I think it's similar to Jericho, while he won the belt and headlined Mania, he was never a big champion until his 2nd title win in my opinion.
When Benoit was on the card you always expected a good match, but people like Austin, Hogan and Cena (biggest names in the industry?) where never going to be the most technical and the lack of personality when he was a face was a big downfall for Benoit. As a heel he pulled off the "I wanna cripple someone!" persona perfectly, but as a face who fought for good and protected people like Eugene just didn't work.
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Post by jammer311 on Nov 7, 2011 10:32:39 GMT -5
I honestly think that Vince gave the belt to Benoit (just like he gave the WWE Title to Guerrero) out of just respect and because of the work effort they put in. McMahon clearly knew that Cena was gonna be his top draw in a years time, same with Batista, so he gave us true wrestling fans the dream we wanted for a long time, that is to see Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit as World Champions.
Benoit was a machine in 2004 though. He had 7 ppv wins in 2004 alone, plus two Tag Titles and the World Title. So he was definitely used well in 2004.
I did hear he was supposed to win the ECW Title at Vengeance 2007 and be the star of the ECW brand. So it definitely sucks about what happened with him and his family, I would have liked to have seen him as the main ECW guy and the champion in that brand.
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Post by skribbel24 on Nov 7, 2011 10:45:41 GMT -5
I honestly think that Vince gave the belt to Benoit (just like he gave the WWE Title to Guerrero) out of just respect and because of the work effort they put in. My thoughts exactly. |
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Post by jakksking1 on Nov 7, 2011 11:10:46 GMT -5
I honestly think that Vince gave the belt to Benoit (just like he gave the WWE Title to Guerrero) out of just respect and because of the work effort they put in. . Exactly. Benoit was a phenomenal wrestler and well respected within the business as a great worker. He couldn't draw and couldn't connect with the fans. He was awful on the mic, and couldn't build matche as others could who were inferior in the ring. During the Attitude Era and after he could have been a monster using his Crippler gimmick, ala the Game gimmick. |
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Post by done on Nov 7, 2011 11:22:41 GMT -5
If he didn't get hurt back in 01 I think he would of won the WWF title and not end up going all the way down to the tag division with Jericho.
And to be honest he did actually work well with Cena:
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Nov 7, 2011 11:37:35 GMT -5
It's a sad situation for me. Despite him not being the focal point of the show when his feud with Triple H was over, I still think he had a good run. He was definitely a credible champion his entire run. His title win was one of the most emotional moments of all time. He was built up for it and eventually won it, unlike most of today's feuds, taking Del Rio as an example. He was built up and didn't win the title, or even Edge back in 2010, he was also built to it and lost at WrestleMania.
I don't know what to say about him not rising to main event again. I'm happy he had that feud with MVP, but I would loved to see him holding a World Title again. I'm also happy that his World Heavyweight Championship run had a good length.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 7, 2011 14:35:25 GMT -5
I honestly think that Vince gave the belt to Benoit (just like he gave the WWE Title to Guerrero) out of just respect and because of the work effort they put in. McMahon clearly knew that Cena was gonna be his top draw in a years time, same with Batista, so he gave us true wrestling fans the dream we wanted for a long time, that is to see Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit as World Champions. agree with all this...basically, McMahon gave them the world Belt's as a "thank you" for all the hard work they put in for him over the years they were there.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 14:37:38 GMT -5
Honestly, because he was so good at putting newer guys over and making them look good. He did that better than being world champ, imo.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Nov 7, 2011 14:52:28 GMT -5
I honestly think that Vince gave the belt to Benoit (just like he gave the WWE Title to Guerrero) out of just respect and because of the work effort they put in. McMahon clearly knew that Cena was gonna be his top draw in a years time, same with Batista, so he gave us true wrestling fans the dream we wanted for a long time, that is to see Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit as World Champions. Benoit was a machine in 2004 though. He had 7 ppv wins in 2004 alone, plus two Tag Titles and the World Title. So he was definitely used well in 2004. I did hear he was supposed to win the ECW Title at Vengeance 2007 and be the star of the ECW brand. So it definitely sucks about what happened with him and his family, I would have liked to have seen him as the main ECW guy and the champion in that brand. This sums up what I was going to write. However, I had read one of the reasons of his "suicide" in Irv Munchnick's book was that he felt like he was being put into a slot similar to what he was in WCW. He was not going to be a 3rd rate superstar heading to ECW in a 1st rate company if you get my drift. He seemed to be extremely unhappy being put in that position. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 15:03:57 GMT -5
I honestly think that Vince gave the belt to Benoit (just like he gave the WWE Title to Guerrero) out of just respect and because of the work effort they put in. McMahon clearly knew that Cena was gonna be his top draw in a years time, same with Batista, so he gave us true wrestling fans the dream we wanted for a long time, that is to see Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit as World Champions. Benoit was a machine in 2004 though. He had 7 ppv wins in 2004 alone, plus two Tag Titles and the World Title. So he was definitely used well in 2004. I did hear he was supposed to win the ECW Title at Vengeance 2007 and be the star of the ECW brand. So it definitely sucks about what happened with him and his family, I would have liked to have seen him as the main ECW guy and the champion in that brand. I agree with all of this. Benoit was one and still is one of my all time favorites |
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Post by jasonphoenix1 on Nov 7, 2011 16:31:47 GMT -5
He is one of my favs. I think it was not believable as World Heavyweight Champion though. Kind of like Rey Jr. I could never really get behind him as a World Heavyweight Champion. Tag,IC,US champs I can see but with the Size of these guys on top I just could not see it. Eddie though I could for how his character was. The whole bring the belt in the ring drop it and bump thing to get wins I could see it cause he could find ways to win the match against people who were way bigger then him. But I just think he was another TOP WCW guy that is Vince bought him he could do what he wanted cause now the competition did not have they're top guys. My opinion.
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Post by MikeMillenium on Nov 7, 2011 16:39:56 GMT -5
He didn't win the title at Fully Loaded... He only had one reign right? I'm referring to you talking about it taking the 2nd reign like Jericho to establish him
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Post by wyleecyotee on Nov 7, 2011 17:42:57 GMT -5
He didn't win the title at Fully Loaded... He only had one reign right? I'm referring to you talking about it taking the 2nd reign like Jericho to establish him I think thats referring to me... Yeah I'm not sure where I got 2nd world title reign from... I think what I meant to say was around the time he was nearly being pushed to win the gold (2000-2001 and 2003 for that matter) he would always be a small champion, like Jericho going into WM 18 I didn't see him as a threat to HHH as much as he should have been for a WM main event for the belt. |
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 7, 2011 18:00:58 GMT -5
Benoit was the best overall wrestler in the world for years imo. Not a good talker? Bad promos?  no! He was so believable and intense. He just wasn't given storylines that played to his character enough imo. Benoit was a total package in the same way that Bret was. Just because they didn't make corny jokes and make smiley faces doesn't mean they didn't have charisma. Does Chuck Liddel not have charisma? He does, rip your ing head off charisma! |
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Post by Squared² on Nov 7, 2011 18:01:52 GMT -5
I swear some wrestlers sell their souls (no pun intended) to vince Swagger won it now a mid carder same with rey they win the big one then gone from the ME scene.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 7, 2011 19:07:03 GMT -5
Benoit was, and still is, one of my favorite wrestlers ever.
I think a combo of his size, lack of charisma, and coming from WCW hurt him from being a constant main eventer in the WWE.
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Post by wolfpac on Nov 7, 2011 23:10:57 GMT -5
He didn't win the title at Fully Loaded... He only had one reign right? I'm referring to you talking about it taking the 2nd reign like Jericho to establish him I think thats referring to me... Yeah I'm not sure where I got 2nd world title reign from... I think what I meant to say was around the time he was nearly being pushed to win the gold (2000-2001 and 2003 for that matter) he would always be a small champion, like Jericho going into WM 18 I didn't see him as a threat to HHH as much as he should have been for a WM main event for the belt. Does his WCW title reign count? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 3:16:23 GMT -5
Benoit was, and still is, one of my favorite wrestlers ever. I think a combo of his size, lack of charisma, and coming from WCW hurt him from being a constant main eventer in the WWE. Swagger was given it way too soon. It was just for the shock factor and because he had the briefcase imo. Rey's first was obviously a charity win because of Eddie passing but I enjoyed his second reign. |
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