Macho Man in 1990

[nwafan83]

Sept 21, 2011 12:18:13 GMT -5 Raine said:

Triple Threat: Hogan vs Savage vs Warrior would have been epic, never hear that as a dream match do we?

Thats the Golden Era's equivilent of HHH/Austin/Rock right there.

Triple Thread matches were pretty much non existent back then.

Ive always assumed that once Warriors run floundered and Hogan was still the top name, it was a sure thing Hogan was getting the title back. With him handpicking Slaughter I really dont think there were any plans for Warrior or Savage facing Hogan.

Slaughter debuted (again) in the Summer of '90 with all intentions to be turned heel to face Hogan. Slaughter has said himself he was happy in AWA at the time but McMahon called him and said Hogan wanted to work with for the title so he left. The only thing I can think of is that McMahon didnt think Savage would be healthy enough to be in the "Slaughter spot" so they put Slaughter there while Savage continued to wrestle as little as he could and just by chance he got healthy so Vince had Savage healthy and nothing for Warrior to do so they just brought them together.

[LeighD]

I know the ORIGINAL main event for WM VII was Hogan vs. Warrior II, with Hogan getting the win. How long that had been planned, I'm not sure.

I think the USA vs. Iraq was circumstancial and asided after the planned main event for WM VII.

[Raine]

Although the Savage/Warrior match was awesome, Warrior/Hogan 2 would have done far more business than Sarge/Hogan did, they wouldn't have had to downgrade arena's for a start. Plus all the bad publicity/death threats and the believabilty of Sarge as a legitimate champion would have all been removed.

They could have started the angle at Survivors '90 in the Ultimate Survivor match. They could have had Hulk clothesline Warrior accidently and they get into a brawl, and have Dibiase eventually winning the Ultimate Survivor match via countout due to Hulk/Warrior brawling, becoming No.1 contender at Rumble '91. Warrior/Dibiase at the Rumble, Warrior wins, Hulk wins the Rumble as he did. Then the build up could begin.

Its a wonder for Hogan to hand pick Slaughter to main event WM7, thought he would have liked to avenge his 1st clean pinfall in the WWF since 1983 by going over on the Warrior.

[nibs92]

do you think they booked the original arena with Hogan/Warrior in mind?

[Glorydaysofwrestling]

Savage's talent was really wasted from the end of 92 until he left the company. The guy is a one of a kind legend and for the most part they just had him do commentary (sometimes master of ceremonies at ppv events) I'm currently reading Hitman's book (for the 2nd time) and Bret goes on to say how Savage was being used poorly and Savage wanted to get back in the ring and thats why he eventually went to WCW.

[jason1980s]

I think Savage did pretty well during the final few years in WWF. It would be a lot better than doing nothing if the retirment from WM 7 had stuck. I just think there wasn't as much talent for him to work with during the time. With the direction they were going to have an All American face Yokozuna, as big a fan favorite Savage was a major run against Yokozuna wouldn't have been good for the storyline. Then the two times Bret held the title while Savage was around as good as the matches probably would be they couldn't be facing each other like Savage did with Hogan.

[jammer311]

I remember reading in an old PWI Magazine from 1994 that when the WWE toured foreign countries, they had Savage vs. Hart as the main event on the shows. The matches were amazing, so I wonder if Vince regrets not having Hart vs. Savage at WM 9?? I doubt he does.

I also wonder if Savage was indeed scheduled to win the Rumble of 93, but had it changed to Yoko the day of, if it wasn't Hogan's idea. Anything for Hogan to get the belt back at a Wrestlemania.

[mikey1974]

okay,if we go with the general consensus of WM VII originally being planned to be Hogan-Warrior II...i ask,again,exactly at what point would Macho,feasibly,have won the title if he wasn't injured? Royal Rumble 91? then they'd have to get the belt back on Warrior at some point fairly quickly to build to the WM match....not to mention,wouldn't Hogan have rathered face an "unbeaten" World Champ Warrior at WM,thereby making himself look all the better when he did beat him?

[kidtwist]

maybe a saturday nights main event . thats where they could have done the title change macho-warrior either before or after the rumble to the switch . that is my best guess .

and i also think the colsieum was picked for the warrior hogan 2 .
they had some excuss for switching locations if im correct .
i wonder why he didnt take the rematch . he did wrestle andre 2 years in a row

where does that leave flair and sid ?.

[Raine]

Hogan/Sarge WM7 main event was set in motion when Slaughter came back at Summerslam 1990 from the AWA at Hulk's request. So Savage's 2nd run could have been anytime that year before the he became injured and they called for Slaughter instead. I suspect Warrior/Hulk 2 was originally planned at WM6, as they announced the WM7 location during WM6 so possibly had it already in mind. Due to Savage's injury & Warrior's weak reign the plans changed drastically. Wrestlemania were planned almost a year in advance back then, just like WM4 to WM5 was all in place a year early.

[Glorydaysofwrestling]

I know this is a little off topic.. but does anyone else wonder why Savage didn't face Jake the Snake at WM8?
The way that the WWF built from survivor series time until Mania time the card should have been like this

Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan for the Championship
Macho Man vs Jake the Snake
Undertaker vs Sid Justice
Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty
with the rest of the matches being the same.

[jammer311]

From what I heard, Hogan and Flair matches were horrible on the house shows. They didn't click at all, so they changed it to Savage vs. Flair for the title, with Hogan vs. Sid (mainly I think it was cause Sid didn't get over, so they made him heel) and with Taker being kind of cheered already, they made him a face and have him go against the guy he was aligned with in Jake The Snake.

But you are right, right after the Rumble, you really did think it was gonna be Hogan vs. Flair for the title, Savage vs. Roberts and Taker vs. Sid.

As for Marty, I believe he got fired shortly after the break up of The Rockers cause of some drug abuse, or something along those lines. Though, in back to back ppvs, Shawn Michaels was able to wrestle both members of Strike Force because of Jannetty not being around! haha

[nibs92]

Sept 28, 2011 15:07:30 GMT -5 @jammer311 said:

From what I heard, Hogan and Flair matches were horrible on the house shows. They didn't click at all, so they changed it to Savage vs. Flair for the title, with Hogan vs. Sid (mainly I think it was cause Sid didn't get over, so they made him heel) and with Taker being kind of cheered already, they made him a face and have him go against the guy he was aligned with in Jake The Snake.

But you are right, right after the Rumble, you really did think it was gonna be Hogan vs. Flair for the title, Savage vs. Roberts and Taker vs. Sid.

As for Marty, I believe he got fired shortly after the break up of The Rockers cause of some drug abuse, or something along those lines. Though, in back to back ppvs, Shawn Michaels was able to wrestle both members of Strike Force because of Jannetty not being around! haha

you're right about Hogan and Flair not drawing well on the house show circuit.

i heard a rumour though that Sid had something in his contract that he could headline Wrestle mania. not sure if that's true though!

[LeighD]

Sept 24, 2011 19:57:32 GMT -5 mikey1974 said:

okay,if we go with the general consensus of WM VII originally being planned to be Hogan-Warrior II...i ask,again,exactly at what point would Macho,feasibly,have won the title if he wasn't injured? Royal Rumble 91? then they'd have to get the belt back on Warrior at some point fairly quickly to build to the WM match....not to mention,wouldn't Hogan have rathered face an "unbeaten" World Champ Warrior at WM,thereby making himself look all the better when he did beat him?

I believe Hogan vs. Warrior II was scheduled to be for the WWF title, with Hogan winning this time around. But I think with the large amount of heat SLaughter had at the time of fall 1990 (as a American traitor) Hogan saw this as a way to make himself even mor epopular and thus porbably why he picked SLaughter (if in fact he did hand pick his opponent).

[Raine]

Slaughter only came back from the AWA because Hogan asked Vince to sign him, so they could book Traitor Slaughter storyline leading to WM7 main event.

[jammer311]

I don't know if that's true about Hogan asking for Slaughter to come back. The AWA was dying in 1990, they had that stupid Team Challenge Series going on, I just wonder if the Sarge saw that the AWA was gonna die soon and jumped ship to the WWE.

[Raine]

Sept 29, 2011 10:21:02 GMT -5 @jammer311 said:

I don't know if that's true about Hogan asking for Slaughter to come back. The AWA was dying in 1990, they had that stupid Team Challenge Series going on, I just wonder if the Sarge saw that the AWA was gonna die soon and jumped ship to the WWE.

Watch the true story of Wrestlemania its all on there. Sarge says that Vince asked him to come back to WWF as a villan, Hogan wants to work against you and wont work with anyone else for WM7.

[jammer311]

Of course the Sarge is gonna say that on that dvd though, but how true is that statement?? That could have been Hogan saying that to The Sarge too, just to blow smoke up his ass, and The Sarge believes it.

[koreygunz]

Sept 24, 2011 23:14:06 GMT -5 kidtwist said:

maybe a saturday nights main event . thats where they could have done the title change macho-warrior either before or after the rumble to the switch . that is my best guess .

and i also think the colsieum was picked for the warrior hogan 2 .
they had some excuss for switching locations if im correct .
i wonder why he didnt take the rematch . he did wrestle andre 2 years in a row

where does that leave flair and sid ?.

Both Sid and Flair had not entered WWF at that point. Sid came in around June/July of 91, Flair October of 91.

As far as WM8, Hogan and Flair had not done well on the house show circuit, plus Hogan had decided to leave/take a hiatus from the WWF to pursue movies. Vince would not have wanted Hogan to take the title from Flair and then leave soon after, and he didnt want a heel leaving Mania as champ. So the main events were changed to Flair/Savage and Hogan/Sid.

I also heard the rumor that Sid was promised a Mania main event in his contract.

Though Mania 8 is one of my fav Manias, and I loved the Flair/Savage storyline, Ive always wondered if it would have seemed more epic of we had seen the orginal card of Hogan/Flair, Savage/Roberts (Loser Leaves WWF), Sid/Undertaker, and Michaels/Jannetty.

If the Sid/Taker match had gone off as planned, does Taker win and thus his undefeated streak continue?

[Raine]

Sept 29, 2011 16:30:19 GMT -5 @jammer311 said:

Of course the Sarge is gonna say that on that dvd though, but how true is that statement?? That could have been Hogan saying that to The Sarge too, just to blow smoke up his ass, and The Sarge believes it.

Well if say just before Summerslam 90, Vince says to Hogan, Warrior isn't cutting it as champ I want you to take the belt back at WM7, but not against Warrior who would you want to face? This could have been the point where Hulk says, give the belt back to Savage. Vince: Sorry can't he has a broken wrist that requires surgery will be out til 'Mania, who else?

Hulk then had a choice probably of Earthquake or possibly Dibiase, and they had both be done before at some stage, it was a fresh idea to bring back USA loyalist Slaughter as an Iraqi sympathiser on the back of the Gulf War, even though a bit distasteful.