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Post by cattlemutilation on Feb 20, 2011 23:45:41 GMT -5
I didn't mean Cena specifically, but yeah they've had minor encounters with him but I'm talking about a big passing of the torch moment. Hogan and Cena celebrating together or Austin handing a beer to Cena at the HOF don't really mean a damn thing. The Rock shaking John Cena's hand after a big title win at WrestleMania? Now that's something. I really don't see how that hypothetical situation is much different than the other two things you mentioned.
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Post by Gazza on Feb 20, 2011 23:47:01 GMT -5
I didn't mean Cena specifically, but yeah they've had minor encounters with him but I'm talking about a big passing of the torch moment. Hogan and Cena celebrating together or Austin handing a beer to Cena at the HOF don't really mean a damn thing. The Rock shaking John Cena's hand after a big title win at WrestleMania? Now that's something. I really don't see how that hypothetical situation is much different than the other two things you mentioned. The biggest show of the year going off the air with The Rock shaking hands with Cena? That'd be a huge passing the torch type moment.
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Post by cjskittles4 on Feb 20, 2011 23:47:37 GMT -5
I didn't mean Cena specifically, but yeah they've had minor encounters with him but I'm talking about a big passing of the torch moment. Hogan and Cena celebrating together or Austin handing a beer to Cena at the HOF don't really mean a damn thing. The Rock shaking John Cena's hand after a big title win at WrestleMania? Now that's something. But after that promo that Rock did... I don't think the fans in the arena would really wanna see that Especially considering that Cena usually gets a 75% negative reaction at Mania Most fans would wanna see those 2 go to blows
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Post by slappy on Feb 20, 2011 23:48:33 GMT -5
I really don't see how that hypothetical situation is much different than the other two things you mentioned. The biggest show of the year going off the air with The Rock shaking hands with Cena? That'd be a huge passing the torch type moment. But how many times can someone pass the torch? I thought Rock already did that with Brock.
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Post by trishstratus7 on Feb 20, 2011 23:49:05 GMT -5
Cena winning wasn't surprising at all, just disappointing IMO. JoMo was impressive, and I for one am thrilled to see Trish come back, no matter the role. It's been a long time since I've been taken by surprise by the WWE, but her walking out was my mark out moment of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 23:49:17 GMT -5
I don't know how people can sit there and justify John Cena winning that match. Personally, I am sick and tired of complaining about John Cena stinking up the WWE.
John Morrison should have won it, and you all know it.
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Post by cattlemutilation on Feb 20, 2011 23:50:28 GMT -5
I didn't mean Cena specifically, but yeah they've had minor encounters with him but I'm talking about a big passing of the torch moment. Hogan and Cena celebrating together or Austin handing a beer to Cena at the HOF don't really mean a damn thing. The Rock shaking John Cena's hand after a big title win at WrestleMania? Now that's something. But after that promo that Rock did... I don't think the fans in the arena would really wanna see that Especially considering that Cena usually gets a 75% negative reaction at Mania Most fans would wanna see those 2 go to blows That's mostly my qualm. The way Rock was talking, I felt like he REALLY was building for a match. I mean, if they want to end up with some sort of passing the torch situation, that's whatever. I just feel like the problem they have here is that a bunch of people expect a match, and that's why they're so pissy.
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Post by cjskittles4 on Feb 20, 2011 23:51:13 GMT -5
The Smackdown Elimination Chamber was an amazing match. Might be my favourite Chamber ever. But I don't know how people can sit there and justify Cena winning that match. I just wish the WWE would sit down and say "Maybe the crowd will want to see something new for once." John Cena winning the WWE Title in the Wrestlemania Main Event isn't "new." And this is the sort of stuff that ruins the WWE. John Morrison should have won it, and you all know it. I ing agree with you For some odd reason, I find myself agreeing with you alot more these days lol But yeah, Cena vs. Miz is nothing the to get excited about. Seriously, if Rock is the ref for that match... SO!!!
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Post by Gazza on Feb 20, 2011 23:51:28 GMT -5
The Smackdown Elimination Chamber was an amazing match. Might be my favourite Chamber ever. But I don't know how people can sit there and justify Cena winning that match. I just wish the WWE would sit down and say "Maybe the crowd will want to see something new for once." John Cena winning the WWE Title in the Wrestlemania Main Event isn't "new." And this is the sort of stuff that ruins the WWE. John Morrison should have won it, and you all know it. .. because Cena winning makes sense, Thats how I justify it. I didn't want him to win, But I don't hate it either. It doesn't make sense, and It's defiantly not the worst thing that could have happened. Also, I don't see why they'd do something new when Cena still sells.
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Post by cattlemutilation on Feb 20, 2011 23:51:49 GMT -5
I don't know how people can sit there and justify John Cena winning that match. And this is the sort of stuff that ruins the WWE. John Cena wins everything, and never loses clean without shananagans. Personally, I am sick and tired of complaining about John Cena stinking up the WWE. John Morrison should have won it, and you all know it. Cookie Monster Punk says hello.
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Post by J12 on Feb 20, 2011 23:52:17 GMT -5
The Smackdown Elimination Chamber was an amazing match. Might be my favourite Chamber ever. But I don't know how people can sit there and justify Cena winning that match. I just wish the WWE would sit down and say "Maybe the crowd will want to see something new for once." John Cena winning the WWE Title in the Wrestlemania Main Event isn't "new." And this is the sort of stuff that ruins the WWE. John Morrison should have won it, and you all know it. I would have absolutely loved to have seen Morrison win, but then what would Cena have done? The ground work was already laid out for he and The Miz. There isn't a doubt in my mind that WWE made a calculated decision that that was their biggest money making option with what they had in front of them. If The Rock had been an option, there is no way in hell Cena would have won that match. Not a chance. Obviously, The Rock was out of the question. I'm tired of seeing Cena in a title match at Wrestlemania as much as the next guy, but lets face it - by WWE's standards, Cena with the belt is long overdue. He hasn't even had a title match since the Spring if I remember correctly, that's a HUGE gap for your biggest star to not only not have the title, but never even compete for it.
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Post by gordon on Feb 20, 2011 23:52:36 GMT -5
But after that promo that Rock did... I don't think the fans in the arena would really wanna see that Especially considering that Cena usually gets a 75% negative reaction at Mania Most fans would wanna see those 2 go to blows That's mostly my qualm. The way Rock was talking, I felt like he REALLY was building for a match. I mean, if they want to end up with some sort of passing the torch situation, that's whatever. I just feel like the problem they have here is that a bunch of people expect a match, and that's why they're so pissy. But it was clearly said he was the guest host and he was retired. As crazy as it sounds, it's just as bad as YankeesForever constantly expecting Sting. It's the same thing basically. The facts are there in front of you but yet you're holding out for something more. As for Morrison winning, yeah I would've liked that. But I don't have a huge problem with Cena winning. Also, what's to say The Rock will "shake hands" with Cena and then hit him with a Rock Bottom, setting up a possible match next year?
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Post by Gazza on Feb 20, 2011 23:54:02 GMT -5
The Smackdown Elimination Chamber was an amazing match. Might be my favourite Chamber ever. But I don't know how people can sit there and justify Cena winning that match. I just wish the WWE would sit down and say "Maybe the crowd will want to see something new for once." John Cena winning the WWE Title in the Wrestlemania Main Event isn't "new." And this is the sort of stuff that ruins the WWE. John Morrison should have won it, and you all know it. I would have absolutely loved to have seen Morrison win, but then what would Cena have done? The ground work was already laid out for he and The Miz. There isn't a doubt in my mind that WWE made a calculated decision that that was their biggest money making option with what they had in front of them. If The Rock had been an option, there is no way in hell Cena would have won that match. Not a chance. Obviously, The Rock was out of the question. I'm tired of seeing Cena in a title match at Wrestlemania as much as the next guy, but lets face it - by WWE's standards, Cena with the belt is long overdue. He hasn't even had a title match since the Spring if I remember correctly, that's a HUGE gap for your biggest star to not only not have the title, but never even compete for it. Exactly this. If people saw things from a WWE point of view and not their own, They wouldn't be so pissed off every show. WWE are going to stick with what sells, Cena sells. So Cena will be in the main event at WM.
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Post by gordon on Feb 20, 2011 23:55:05 GMT -5
The Smackdown Elimination Chamber was an amazing match. Might be my favourite Chamber ever. But I don't know how people can sit there and justify Cena winning that match. I just wish the WWE would sit down and say "Maybe the crowd will want to see something new for once." John Cena winning the WWE Title in the Wrestlemania Main Event isn't "new." And this is the sort of stuff that ruins the WWE. John Morrison should have won it, and you all know it. I would have absolutely loved to have seen Morrison win, but then what would Cena have done? The ground work was already laid out for he and The Miz. There isn't a doubt in my mind that WWE made a calculated decision that that was their biggest money making option with what they had in front of them. If The Rock had been an option, there is no way in hell Cena would have won that match. Not a chance. Obviously, The Rock was out of the question. I'm tired of seeing Cena in a title match at Wrestlemania as much as the next guy, but lets face it - by WWE's standards, Cena with the belt is long overdue. He hasn't even had a title match since the Spring if I remember correctly, that's a HUGE gap for your biggest star to not only not have the title, but never even compete for it. This is probably the truest thing said in this thread. Kudos, sir.
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Post by cattlemutilation on Feb 20, 2011 23:57:34 GMT -5
The Smackdown Elimination Chamber was an amazing match. Might be my favourite Chamber ever. But I don't know how people can sit there and justify Cena winning that match. I just wish the WWE would sit down and say "Maybe the crowd will want to see something new for once." John Cena winning the WWE Title in the Wrestlemania Main Event isn't "new." And this is the sort of stuff that ruins the WWE. John Morrison should have won it, and you all know it. .. because Cena winning makes sense, Thats how I justify it. I didn't want him to win, But I don't hate it either. It doesn't make sense, and It's defiantly not the worst thing that could have happened. Also, I don't see why they'd do something new when Cena still sells. I think a lot of people don't really have the ability to think and process the WWE as a product/business rather than something for entertainment. I know my rep here if anything if that I typically have qualms with a bunch of the major stars/feuds. I mean, I don't like Cena, I HATE Orton, blah blah blah. Part of me just really stuck holding out hope that Punk will get a push now and get a title, or that back when Barrett was on Raw, he would have beaten Cena. At the same time, I completely understand the business realm. While a bunch of people probably DO want something new and fresh instead of Cena topping 'Mania, people have to think about the business aspect. A shot at something like Morrison/Miz could work, but haven't the buy rates been down for a while? You really can't blame WWE for going with a tried and tested star like Cena. Personally, I'd be more likely to buy 'Mania with Miz/Cena instead of Miz/Morrison. I dunno.
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 20, 2011 23:58:53 GMT -5
Very lackluster and predictable PPV IMO. No surprises at all. The WWE could have atleast put Christian in the Chamber match instead of having him do a 2 minute run in after words. Cena winning the other Chamber match was the most predictable thing of the night. The WWE writers were at their laziest tonight IMO. WM is looking to be very lacklust this year. Right now, I don't think I'll pay $60 for it. Not even The Rock is worth it.
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Post by Mr. K.O on Feb 21, 2011 0:01:46 GMT -5
I'm going to give my full review on this as like I always do.
Singles Match Alberto Del Rio vs Kofi Kingston: 3/5 Stars I thought this was a good opening matchup to warm up the crowd. These two know how to entertain a crowd and they sure didn't disappoint. These two went back and forth and gave us a lot of near falls. The only downfall was the ending, but other than that great match.
World Heavyweight Championship SmackDown Elimination Chamber: 4/5 Stars Awesome match to say the least. Edge and Mysterio showed everyone watching that PG won't stop them from delivering a good match. I loved Drew's meltdown as he brutalized almost everyone in the match. Though it was predictable, you can't deny the fact that they put on what can be considered "Match Of The Year".
WWE Tag Team Championship Santino & Kozlov vs The Corre: 2/5 Stars A fairly decent match just to add some time on the clock. Nothing to spectacular but was a good moment when The Corre took the victory to become the NEW Champs.
WWE Championship The Miz vs Jerry "The King" Lawler: 2 1/2 Stars A good match that some people may not have expected it to be. Lawler showed that he can still keep up with the younger talent and tonight proved it. Also good to have Miz win cleanly instead of having help from outside interference. Now Miz will go on to WrestleMania as WWE Champion!
#1 Contendership To WWE Championship RAW Elimination Chamber: 3 1/2 Stars Also a great match with some good offense and near falls. JoMo showed everyone who ever doubted him that he belongs in the Main Event Scene. Of course the typical Cena Scenerio played out when the Peek-a-boo playing John Cena once again claimed victory. Overall great match,but not nearly as strong as the SD Elimination Chamber.
In conclusion, I would rate this PPV a 3/5 Stars for all the great matches and surprise appearences made by Christian and Trish. But having the typical guys win kinda well "sucks".
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Post by cjskittles4 on Feb 21, 2011 0:02:53 GMT -5
That's mostly my qualm. The way Rock was talking, I felt like he REALLY was building for a match. I mean, if they want to end up with some sort of passing the torch situation, that's whatever. I just feel like the problem they have here is that a bunch of people expect a match, and that's why they're so pissy. But it was clearly said he was the guest host and he was retired. As crazy as it sounds, it's just as bad as YankeesForever constantly expecting Sting. It's the same thing basically. The facts are there in front of you but yet you're holding out for something more. As for Morrison winning, yeah I would've liked that. But I don't have a huge problem with Cena winning. Also, what's to say The Rock will "shake hands" with Cena and then hit him with a Rock Bottom, setting up a possible match next year? Then what, Rock takes another leave of absense It just won't happen... Rock closing the show standing tall and disappearing is basically burying the face of the company and it's curent stars. This guy comes in after 7 years, leaves WWE Champion Cena laying to close the show.... Because there will be no actual match next year. If you're gonna rock bottom Cena then don't have us wait for a buildup that you won't be part of for months and months to come. That would make no sense, and essentially help no one
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Post by gordon on Feb 21, 2011 0:04:31 GMT -5
But it was clearly said he was the guest host and he was retired. As crazy as it sounds, it's just as bad as YankeesForever constantly expecting Sting. It's the same thing basically. The facts are there in front of you but yet you're holding out for something more. As for Morrison winning, yeah I would've liked that. But I don't have a huge problem with Cena winning. Also, what's to say The Rock will "shake hands" with Cena and then hit him with a Rock Bottom, setting up a possible match next year? Then what, Rock takes another leave of absense It just won't happen... Rock closing the show standing tall and disappearing is basically burying the face of the company and it's curent stars. This guy comes in after 7 years, leaves WWE Champion Cena laying to close the show.... Because there will be no actual match next year. If you're gonna rock bottom Cena then don't have us wait for a buildup that you won't be part of for months and months to come. That would make no sense, and essentially help no one Well that's my whole point.
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Post by J12 on Feb 21, 2011 0:08:46 GMT -5
Another thing that I think is really important to take into consideration is the perspective from which we're judging this Miz/Cena match.
Internally, and I use that word to refer to the average, "educated" fan, including the online community, The Miz vs. John Cena doesn't quite seem like a Wrestlemania main event. This is all relative to build and preference, of course, but I digress.
While occasionally it behoves WWE to look at things from that internal perspective and aim to please its core fan base, Wrestlemania is not, and has never been one of those times. Wrestlemania is about allusions of grandeur, a larger than life atmosphere and whoring out the product to every aspect of the media during the one time of year where nearly the entire country, just for a moment, recognizes WWE as a legitimate product simply because of the sheer size of Wrestlemania.
Externally, and I use that term to include the casual fan base, the young fan base and most importantly, the general media within the realm of pop culture, are not at all concerned with whether this guy is being used properly or whether this combination is going to produce the best match possible. They're concerned with what they can promote, hype and sell to whoever will listen on paper.
WWE approaches Wrestlemania from this perspective because this is how a company makes money.
John Cena is a public figure. The average person who is in tune with pop culture will know, or have a general recognition of John Cena. The same goes for The Miz. In the public eye, this match is huge. They may be the only two names an outsider knows. TMZ is going to gobble this up, and so WWE has already won.
If TMZ posts an article tomorrow morning mentioning the outcome of the Chamber, and that Cena/Miz is headlining Wrestlemania, WWE has already reaped the benefits and drew someone in to replace those of you who are turned off by the idea of the match.
Throw The Rock into the mix in any sort of viable capacity, and it just gets bigger.
There are times when I sit back and wonder what WWE is thinking, both from the "internal" and "external" perspective I give, but in this scenario, they know exactly what they're doing, and they're doing it well.
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