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Post by jfinnomore on Jan 4, 2011 0:48:41 GMT -5
I love how some say Orton's matches are predictable. Whos isnt anymore? Orton has added 3 or 4 new moves to his aresenal and hes doing the same stuff? Sounds like some are just mad their favorites arent in that position. Too bad,Vince goes to his moneymakers and ones that are over and those are Orton and Cena. Most people would. Did you hear the lack of pop Morrison got tonight when his music hit? And again,if Miz is so great hows come the last 2 big title matches Miz has been in after tonight(The TLC Tables match and tonights Falls Count Anywhere)have all been gimmick matches? Maybe they know Miz isnt good enough for "*****" regular main event solo match. And its funny,I have read all the recent house show reports from the Miz v Orton matches and all of them gave their matches rave reviews. So if those are good the PPV match should be even better but no,lets still complain before the match even happens because Zack Ryder isnt in it. he's added moves? scoop slam, running clothes line, backbreaker, in the rope ddt, hit the RKO, call it a match.
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Post by K5 on Jan 4, 2011 0:59:13 GMT -5
gotta say i love how the wwe is trying to almost seemingly build the two extreme demographics: the building 'pg era' fan of younger ages who still prefer superhero like faces, and the remnant 'attitude era' fans who still thrive for their anti-heroes. the cheers for john cena are almost equal to the cheers for cm punk, and the boos vice versa as well. and with cm punk playing the intellectual, the one who 'sees through' john cena's bogus act, it makes the entire iwc automatically not only side with him, but love doing it.
this whole nexus angle could actually develop quite interestingly if done properly, even the wade/punk confrontation was intriguing.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 4, 2011 1:27:52 GMT -5
CM Punk is the ONLY person to have it on the mic and it comes off so damn naturally, it's great to watch.
The Miz doesn't come off as a hateful heel, or someone that really hates anyone. Don't get me wrong though, I enjoy The Miz, but it just seems as he read something like "Heels for dummies" but he doesn't really have it yet.
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Post by theryanegan on Jan 4, 2011 1:28:43 GMT -5
Tonight's RAW was actually pretty decent. I was very surprised, and pleased. There was more wrestling than your typical episode, and I thought it was great.
That being said, Randy Orton f*cking sucks now.
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Post by K5 on Jan 4, 2011 1:31:45 GMT -5
(about miz to music theory) i hear you, but i think he is more self aware than most know. he is playing 'the guy in over his head' very well to me, and it seems like things in wwe are actually developing in an interesting way...and i haven't had an overall positive opinion on the product in years (not that i do yet).
i feel orton is actually ready to come into his own if they let his character develop. don't try to make him be a crazy bad guy, don't try to make him suddenly change to be a face...just let him be orton, a guy who plays only for himself, trying to figure out how to survive in the growing crowd of new faces.
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Post by J12 on Jan 4, 2011 1:31:46 GMT -5
Enjoyable Raw for the most part. I thought the triple threat match was entertaining, though I would have liked to have seen more on the Punk/Nexus situation. It was such a focal point last week that I feel like they shifted away from it a bit too much.
Great match between Miz and Morrison. Gave The Miz a solid, clean win to gain some reputability and made Morrison look pretty damn good as well. Looking forward to seeing more from Morrison in the main event scene. Winning the Rumble wouldn't be too bad either.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Jan 4, 2011 1:45:52 GMT -5
without spoiling anything... anybody know raw's match(es) for superstars? WWE Superstars:
Yoshi Tatsu vs. Zack Ryder
Daniel Bryan/Mark Henry w/Bella Twins vs. Ted DiBiase/Tyson Kidd w/Maryse and I'm assuming, Jackson Andrews.RAW went downhill after the awesome WWE Championship Match, Cage Match was bleh, Punk was amazing in his turn on Barrett and Orton is still boring, but he's all WWE's got, besides John Cena, on RAW, so what did you expect? Bit of anti-climactic ending with the staredown on the Door, but whatever.
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Post by K5 on Jan 4, 2011 1:55:51 GMT -5
^ agreed concerning the cage match. orton obviously carried it, but it was very dry and non eventful compared to the excitement earlier in the evening.
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Post by King Silva on Jan 4, 2011 2:15:03 GMT -5
Morrison v Miz was awesome. I loved it and for a moment thought Morrison might actually win.. The Starship Pain through the table was great but damn that must have hurt! When he kicked out I was really shocked but Miz did his finisher so of course he wins. Nonetheless it was a great match and I hope wwe sees that it was and can later this year give Morrison a run with the WWE/WH title. The diva match was pretty short like most weeks but at least everyone got in which is kinda rare for 6 diva matches. I liked how they recapped the feud with Natalya and Melina since they rarely do that.. Eve getting the pin is random but Melina needs to avenge that next week and beat Eve's ass. The tag match was not great and all I can really say is wow to Kozlov botching that over the top rope part! They should make Tamina the special ref for the eventual tag title match [maybe at RR] and she should either turn heel or side with Santino .
The who who is leader of Nexus promo was pretty good.
Truth v Del Rio was surprisingly long. I thought they would make it shorter for a Bryan match but he was nowhere to be found! I hope he is on Superstars.
The main event was decent. It was not bad but not very memorable. Orton winning was obvious as was Punk screwing over Wade.
Overall Raw was pretty good.
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Post by Quanthor on Jan 4, 2011 2:59:12 GMT -5
I didn't think the cage match was that bad, for the three snoozers involved(Barett, Sheamus and Orton) it could have been a total bore and waste of a match, but I thought it was actually decent.
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Post by dvdaddict36 on Jan 4, 2011 9:28:22 GMT -5
Waste of my damn time...who in the hell didn't see that coming? I knew Orton would win when Barrett had a perfect opportunity to go over the top, but decided to go for a finisher move instead. So sick of Orton winning. He ALWAYS hears voices in his head at the end, then RKO. Too effing predictable!!
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Post by slappy on Jan 4, 2011 10:30:42 GMT -5
I love how some say Orton's matches are predictable. Whos isnt anymore? Orton has added 3 or 4 new moves to his aresenal and hes doing the same stuff? Sounds like some are just mad their favorites arent in that position. Too bad,Vince goes to his moneymakers and ones that are over and those are Orton and Cena. Most people would. Did you hear the lack of pop Morrison got tonight when his music hit? And again,if Miz is so great hows come the last 2 big title matches Miz has been in after tonight(The TLC Tables match and tonights Falls Count Anywhere)have all been gimmick matches? Maybe they know Miz isnt good enough for "*****" regular main event solo match. And its funny,I have read all the recent house show reports from the Miz v Orton matches and all of them gave their matches rave reviews. So if those are good the PPV match should be even better but no,lets still complain before the match even happens because Zack Ryder isnt in it. 3 or 4 new moves. What? I know of 1. If Orton is so over why did the ratings drop when he was champion? Morrison got a pretty decent pop when his music hit. Orton certainly isn't capable of putting on a 5 star match, so I don't know why they keep letting him do non-gimmick matches. It can't be because of Miz that the match is getting rave reviews, it has to be because of Orton.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 4, 2011 10:39:25 GMT -5
The first match of 2011 is probably already a match of the year candidate; an absolute flying start, interesting spots, lots of near falls, it even fooled me into thinking it was Morrison's time. I'm not fussed that he didn't win... he came out looking great and in my opinion is ready to have a short reign sometime this year. Not to dig at Miz and Miz fans, but I truly believe that if Miz is ready to be RAW's top name, then so is Morrison. I need not explain why because I have done time and time again.
Ending of the show was predictable, yet still cool. I'm just hoping this doesn't leave Barrett doing nothing.
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Post by rkokixas on Jan 4, 2011 13:57:35 GMT -5
jfinamore,have you been watching his matches lately? Hes added The Angle Slam,superplex,standing dropkick,slingshot under bottom rope to name a few.
Which is tons more than anyone else it seems. Taker and HBK did practically the same match at Mania last year and nobody complained.
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Post by Gazza on Jan 4, 2011 14:12:17 GMT -5
Hasn't he done the standing dropkick for years?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 14:20:05 GMT -5
jfinamore,have you been watching his matches lately? Hes added The Angle Slam,superplex,standing dropkick,slingshot under bottom rope to name a few. Which is tons more than anyone else it seems. Taker and HBK did practically the same match at Mania last year and nobody complained. Don't forget the Powerbomb haha.
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Post by theryanegan on Jan 4, 2011 15:06:49 GMT -5
Hasn't he done the standing dropkick for years? Yep.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 4, 2011 15:38:17 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Triple H, Stone Cold and many other past superstars had limited movesets and often predictable endings to their matches... they're still true greats. Therefore, people are clutching at straws by bashing Orton for doing the same thing every match.
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Post by rkokixas on Jan 4, 2011 15:58:58 GMT -5
He did the dropkick about every match now to where before he did if occasionally.And yes willbuh youre right but then again a few weeks ago people on were were bashing Orton's tights so I guess its expected on here to reach at straws.
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Post by theryanegan on Jan 4, 2011 16:00:09 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Triple H, Stone Cold and many other past superstars had limited movesets and often predictable endings to their matches... they're still true greats. Therefore, people are clutching at straws by bashing Orton for doing the same thing every match. My main gripe with Orton is not his moveset. It's the boring...monotonous...Randy Orton robot voice. It's the complete lack of any sort of passion. He has absolutely no discernable charisma. His promos are boring as sh*t. Plus, he's slowly becoming Steve Austin. Viper, Rattlesnake. He used to get on one corner, and do the Orton Pose. Now, he gets on two different corners, and raises his fists. The whole "tweener, bad ass rebel" persona. It's sad.
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