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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 4, 2010 11:27:40 GMT -5
I was wondering was this because bodybuilding was beginning to gain a little popularity? Just curious because of your Hogan's, Hercules', Rick Rudes, Dynamite Kids, Ultimate Warriors etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2010 13:00:55 GMT -5
well cramming his fed with Roid jobs was always Vinces "way" until that pesky business in 93.
he always favored big guys and that body type.yeah there were expections pre 93 but not many.
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Post by carly1988 on Dec 4, 2010 15:29:51 GMT -5
Wrestlers were suppose to be seen as "Larger then life super heroes"
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 4, 2010 21:48:49 GMT -5
Guess thats true. Who in you all's opinion had the best of both worlds?
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Post by carly1988 on Dec 4, 2010 23:05:17 GMT -5
Guess thats true. Who in you all's opinion had the best of both worlds? Size and talent? In the 80s it was Hogan. Everyone can bash that Hogan had less then 10 moves and what he did was a joke but anyone that had seen his time in AWA and Japan knows that Hogan COULD work a match. No he wasnt Kurt Angle or Bret Hart but he had size, charisma, talent and it showed as he was completely over. |
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Dec 5, 2010 6:11:46 GMT -5
Wrestlers were suppose to be seen as "Larger then life super heroes" This. But really, the 80s was all about things being larger than life. You looks at the movies, TV shows, and wrestlers that were successful. It was all huge and grandiose. I wish the current recession would have the same affect the last did, because awesome things came from it. Aside from the drug use, but you can have larger than life without being that much bigger physically... Either way, the bigger than life escapism is better than today's reality shows about idiots, mooks, and people that make you feel better because they are worse. And that's my little rant for the day  |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 5, 2010 22:40:11 GMT -5
I was wondering was this because bodybuilding was beginning to gain a little popularity? Just curious because of your Hogan's, Hercules', Rick Rudes, Dynamite Kids, Ultimate Warriors etc. Two words: Pumping Iron. Arnold Schwarzenegger and (to a lesser degree) Lou Ferrigno were launched into prominence by this documentary in '77. It went a long way into changing bodybuilding's perception as an ill-understood California fad into something that could was mandatory athletes and action stars. Just take a look at action stars from the 70s and then their 80s counterparts. Wrestling naturally followed with their own version of physique freaks. The results were a mixed bag. |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 5, 2010 22:51:49 GMT -5
I was wondering was this because bodybuilding was beginning to gain a little popularity? Just curious because of your Hogan's, Hercules', Rick Rudes, Dynamite Kids, Ultimate Warriors etc. Two words: Pumping Iron. Arnold Schwarzenegger and (to a lesser degree) Lou Ferrigno were launched into prominence by this documentary in '77. It went a long way into changing bodybuilding's perception as an ill-understood California fad into something that could was mandatory athletes and action stars. Just take a look at action stars from the 70s and then their 80s counterparts. Wrestling naturally followed with their own version of physique freaks. The results were a mixed bag. Thats why I asked if bodybuilding helped. Figured Pumping Iron and Arnold heavily influenced those guys. Definitely got Luger as he briefly got into bodybuilding himself. |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 5, 2010 23:02:07 GMT -5
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Post by K5 on Dec 6, 2010 0:46:26 GMT -5
in the case of dynamite kid, he wasn't big at all but since the average wrestler was 6'3 250+ pounds, roids got him to be a contendable size.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 6, 2010 0:50:12 GMT -5
They were more believable as "athletes" than the wrestlers in the 70's and early 80's. I mean, look at the AWA. The guys wrestling in the AWA looked like a bunch of dads out there. Almost none of them looked like professional athletes.
When you got a guy like Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, or some other crazy freak sized person, you were able to capture the imagination of the audience and make them really believe that this guy was unbeatable. Or at least that he was a legitimate athlete, and not some dude you'd find at a bar, hammered off his ass, talking about how his ex-wife took all his stuff.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 6, 2010 1:46:17 GMT -5
They were more believable as "athletes" than the wrestlers in the 70's and early 80's. I mean, look at the AWA. The guys wrestling in the AWA looked like a bunch of dads out there. Almost none of them looked like professional athletes. . That depends upon the specific group of fans, I think. Among competitive wrestlers, the topic of a pro wrestling conversation was often whose body/movements looked like the product of legitimate wrestling knowledge and who was a bodybuilder trying to act like a wrestler. This was the pre-internet age where little or nothing was known about a guy's background before he came to TV. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 6:02:50 GMT -5
best combination of size and talent.......?well if your combining ripped physique and talent its hard to looks past
Paul Orndorff
Rick Rude
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 6, 2010 7:33:48 GMT -5
best combination of size and talent.......?well if your combining ripped physique and talent its hard to looks past Paul Orndorff Rick Rude I'd put Scott Steiner (pre-roids) in that category. In his WCW days he was big, well-proportioned, but could still pull off moves like the Frankensteiner. Then he got hooked on whatever synthetic thing helped him become Big Poppa Pump and his moveset became more like that of Warrior, Hogan, Luger, etc.. |
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Post by carly1988 on Dec 6, 2010 7:55:40 GMT -5
They were more believable as "athletes" than the wrestlers in the 70's and early 80's. I mean, look at the AWA. The guys wrestling in the AWA looked like a bunch of dads out there. Almost none of them looked like professional athletes. When you got a guy like Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, or some other crazy freak sized person, you were able to capture the imagination of the audience and make them really believe that this guy was unbeatable. Or at least that he was a legitimate athlete, and not some dude you'd find at a bar, hammered off his ass, talking about how his ex-wife took all his stuff. |
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Post by K5 on Dec 6, 2010 13:56:30 GMT -5
best combination of size and talent.......?well if your combining ripped physique and talent its hard to looks past Paul Orndorff Rick Rude I'd put Scott Steiner (pre-roids) in that category. In his WCW days he was big, well-proportioned, but could still pull off moves like the Frankensteiner. Then he got hooked on whatever synthetic thing helped him become Big Poppa Pump and his moveset became more like that of Warrior, Hogan, Luger, etc.. and how disappointing of a change, he lost so much talent and became so prone to injury. |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 6, 2010 17:33:24 GMT -5
I'd put Scott Steiner (pre-roids) in that category. In his WCW days he was big, well-proportioned, but could still pull off moves like the Frankensteiner. Then he got hooked on whatever synthetic thing helped him become Big Poppa Pump and his moveset became more like that of Warrior, Hogan, Luger, etc.. and how disappointing of a change, he lost so much talent and became so prone to injury. Yup, sadly. I also added a picture of Sting back in his hey day in the early 90s but it didn't load. I mean the dude use to be a bodybuilder and was quite jacked at one time if I must say so myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 19:23:55 GMT -5
best combination of size and talent.......?well if your combining ripped physique and talent its hard to looks past Paul Orndorff Rick Rude I'd put Scott Steiner (pre-roids) in that category. In his WCW days he was big, well-proportioned, but could still pull off moves like the Frankensteiner. Then he got hooked on whatever synthetic thing helped him become Big Poppa Pump and his moveset became more like that of Warrior, Hogan, Luger, etc.. yup-great suggestion.Id also put Sting in there.....he could really move for a guy with a physique like that. |
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Post by gtm on Dec 6, 2010 20:07:04 GMT -5
Some good answers in this thread, i think its all pretty much been said it was the perfect thing for the time bodybuilding boom in the 80's coupled with the over the top flamboyancy of the 80's. Vince always has had a preference for big guys look how keen even now he is to hire huge rather talentless lumps on size alone. Only huge guy Vince has brought in in recent years that from the get go was any good imo was Brock.
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Dec 7, 2010 1:38:42 GMT -5
Guess thats true. Who in you all's opinion had the best of both worlds? Size and talent? In the 80s it was Hogan. Everyone can bash that Hogan had less then 10 moves and what he did was a joke but anyone that had seen his time in AWA and Japan knows that Hogan COULD work a match. No he wasnt Kurt Angle or Bret Hart but he had size, charisma, talent and it showed as he was completely over. Preach on its the same old tired criticism about Hogan that is just plain ignorant I completely agree with you and quite frankly he was more of a complete package IMHO than Angle or Bret in the fact he had size, the look, mic skills and could work |
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