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Post by twinn on Mar 12, 2009 0:32:04 GMT -5
I was just on YouTube and I came across this video... I had seen it before and I knew this was how Bret won his first title, but my question is why?? Why did they have him win the belt against Ric Flair on "Prime Time Wrestling" of all things rather than a PPV???
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Post by rockbottom423 on Mar 12, 2009 10:29:36 GMT -5
The paused Youtube video is from Summerslam 1997, but I enjoyed all of his title reigns, except how the last one ended. I don't hate HBK for it though. I honestly think he had no idea what was going on either.
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Post by HugoOne on Mar 12, 2009 11:36:40 GMT -5
According to Bret's book, he found out that night that he'd be winning the WWF Championship. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that Vince knew Flair would be going back to WCW soon and didn't want him going over with the belt, so he took it off him early enough.
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Post by Chicago on Mar 12, 2009 11:42:19 GMT -5
The paused Youtube video is from Summerslam 1997, but I enjoyed all of his title reigns, except how the last one ended. I don't hate HBK for it though. I honestly think he had no idea what was going on either. Shawn has admitted in the past to being in on it 100%. As far as the first title reign for Bret, I forget exactly why it took place like it did, but Flair was willing to drop the strap to Bret and they pulled the trigger on it sooner as it wasn't really a completely thought-out plan for the WWF title picture. Flair was on his way out of the company, too, from what I remember, as he went back to WCW in early 1993. Vince definitely wasn't going to let him walk back to WCW with the WWF title (much like how he debuted in the WWF), so Bret was given the opportunity to win it at a house show in Canada. |
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Post by Daniel Bryan Says No on Mar 12, 2009 11:44:24 GMT -5
The paused Youtube video is from Summerslam 1997, but I enjoyed all of his title reigns, except how the last one ended. I don't hate HBK for it though. I honestly think he had no idea what was going on either. HBK has admitted he knew about it all along and actually was the one who suggested screwing Bret over during a phone call with Vince. It's all in Shawn's book. |
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Post by layton on Mar 12, 2009 18:34:34 GMT -5
The paused Youtube video is from Summerslam 1997, but I enjoyed all of his title reigns, except how the last one ended. I don't hate HBK for it though. I honestly think he had no idea what was going on either. HBK has admitted he knew about it all along and actually was the one who suggested screwing Bret over during a phone call with Vince. It's all in Shawn's book. I know for a fact that HBK knew about it, but are you sure he was the one that suggested it? That does not sound right to me. For one reason or another, I want to say it may have been Triple H or Vince that first suggested it. Do you have a quote from the book that says this or an interview, or something? |
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Post by twinn on Mar 12, 2009 19:55:14 GMT -5
How did this turn into a screwjob discussion??? I guess everything involving Bret Hart eventually turns into that tho haha...
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Post by layton on Mar 12, 2009 20:06:35 GMT -5
How did this turn into a screwjob discussion??? I guess everything involving Bret Hart eventually turns into that tho haha... No one can talk about Hart without bringing up Montreal and his whining. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 20:16:53 GMT -5
According to Bret's book, he found out that night that he'd be winning the WWF Championship. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that Vince knew Flair would be going back to WCW soon and didn't want him going over with the belt, so he took it off him early enough. Kind of ironic that Bret would be in Flair's shoes in a similar situation 5 years later. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 20:17:17 GMT -5
How did this turn into a screwjob discussion??? I guess everything involving Bret Hart eventually turns into that tho haha... No one can talk about Hart without bringing up Montreal and his whining. It's kind of Bret's fault, he always brings it up in his writings. |
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Post by Daniel Bryan Says No on Mar 13, 2009 0:36:11 GMT -5
HBK has admitted he knew about it all along and actually was the one who suggested screwing Bret over during a phone call with Vince. It's all in Shawn's book. I know for a fact that HBK knew about it, but are you sure he was the one that suggested it? That does not sound right to me. For one reason or another, I want to say it may have been Triple H or Vince that first suggested it. Do you have a quote from the book that says this or an interview, or something? I'll have to look in the book again, but I'm pretty sure he told Vince he was willing to swerve him on a 3-way call between HHH and Vince. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 6:21:17 GMT -5
yeah its in the book and the DVD.he knew all about it
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Post by layton on Mar 13, 2009 8:16:39 GMT -5
I know for a fact that HBK knew about it, but are you sure he was the one that suggested it? That does not sound right to me. For one reason or another, I want to say it may have been Triple H or Vince that first suggested it. Do you have a quote from the book that says this or an interview, or something? I'll have to look in the book again, but I'm pretty sure he told Vince he was willing to swerve him on a 3-way call between HHH and Vince. Yeah, I do think he said he was willing. I just do not think it was his idea in the first place. I think Shawn said something to the extent of "I'll do whatever it takes." or "I'll go along with whatever you plan." or something like that, but he only said that after Vince mentioned something about it. It is hard to say. It has been a year, at least, since I've read the book. I do not own it anymore, or I would have a look. |
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Post by -=[ CRuSH ]=- on Mar 13, 2009 16:46:54 GMT -5
I think the reason the match came from nowhere was because Flair had an inner-ear infection and needed to drop the strap because he'd be unable to compete for a while
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Post by skribbel24 on Mar 14, 2009 15:28:14 GMT -5
Bret won the belt from Flair in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (Canada), perhaps that's why the title change happened there because they didn't have a PPV in Canada at that time.
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Post by Lennon on Mar 14, 2009 16:59:05 GMT -5
Where are you people getting this bullcrap about Flair bringing the WWF Title to WCW?
Flair would never have done that. He and Vince were on very good terms. He even told Ric that he was free to leave at any time if he was unhappy with his position.
McMahon is not Jim Herd....
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Post by TGTD 2.0 on Mar 15, 2009 0:35:44 GMT -5
According to Ric Flair's shoot DVD from Highspots, Flair had a problem with a bone chip in his ear that was greatly affecting his equilibrium. Initially Ric was set to take quite a bit of time off but it repaired itself on it's own shortly after he dropped the title to Bret in Saskatoon.
I think if Flair had not suffered that injury he would've dropped the title to Bret sometime down the line regardless as that was around the time Vince decided he would start phasing out the veterans and push young talent.
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Mar 15, 2009 19:30:02 GMT -5
According to Ric Flair's shoot DVD from Highspots, Flair had a problem with a bone chip in his ear that was greatly affecting his equilibrium. Initially Ric was set to take quite a bit of time off but it repaired itself on it's own shortly after he dropped the title to Bret in Saskatoon. Supposedly Flair took a stiff clothesline from Warrior that caused that |
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Mar 16, 2009 9:44:11 GMT -5
According to Ric Flair's shoot DVD from Highspots, Flair had a problem with a bone chip in his ear that was greatly affecting his equilibrium. Initially Ric was set to take quite a bit of time off but it repaired itself on it's own shortly after he dropped the title to Bret in Saskatoon. I think if Flair had not suffered that injury he would've dropped the title to Bret sometime down the line regardless as that was around the time Vince decided he would start phasing out the veterans and push young talent. The thing I find so strange about that time is that it was kinda chaotic. People spouting the "Flair was going back to WCW so Vince didn't want him to take the belt with him" stuff cracks me up. Flair had only won the title a few weeks earlier from Savage, thanks to Razor Ramon, and thus there was a Razor/Flair vs Savage/Warrior tag feud which was leading to a match at Survivor Series. So it seems like Flair was always going to be a transitional champion who'd lose the belt before that PPV, and surely it would be Bret he was losing it to. But at the same time, the way it happened with the title changing on a coliseum home video match and Bret not even finding out until the day... Seems so last-minute. I wonder what the plan was before Flair's ear problem. |
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