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Post by Edge618 on May 14, 2008 19:09:32 GMT -5
I hate MVP, but i think they both will become top stars. People seem to forget Kennedys time on SD!, his feud with Undertaker, and his US title reign. Seems to me people only remember him losing MITB and "jobbing" on Raw.
In two weeks, TWO WEEKS, Kennedy has become a top name once again on Raw. What does that tell you? He was going nowhere on Raw and he missed about a month of action, and in a matter of 2 weeks he's back on the scene as one of the next top faces.
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Post by chumped on May 14, 2008 19:11:48 GMT -5
They saw guys that could tell an amazing story in the ring, guys who excelled on the microphone, guys that weren't too shabby in the ring, and guys who were able to carry the entire company on their shoulders, and have it be extremely successful. MVP, on the other hand, does not possess the first and last qualities. And Kennedy posseses none of the qualities. I don't see either one being anything major. You say that about Kennedy because you dislike him. He excells on a microphone, he isn't too bad in the ring, and yes I can see him carrying the company much like Cena/Batista did. I am not in NO WAY saying he is the next Hogan, Rock, or Austin. More like the next Cena/Batista. Maybe even a bigger draw then Cena. You say that about him, because you love him. The guy is terrible on the microphone. All of his lines come off as forced, while he is chewing on that stupid gum week after week. All he has done for the last few years is say his name over and over, and somehow that makes him some microphone technician. The guy will never carry the WWE, ever. Even if he becomes a World Champion, the other World Champ on the other show will be a much bigger name, like Undertaker for example. He will never draw more than Cena, because he isn't marketable. He has a bland look, no real gimmick, and his "microphone" skills that are so great consist of over-exaggerating his lines, chewing obnoxiously on gum like a cow, and screaming his name. WWE has tried to push the guy on multiple occasions, and it hasn't taken off yet. And I doubt it ever will. As stated already in this thread, soon WWE will just feed him to Triple H, or maybe even Cena, and he will fall right back to where he falls each and every time. The mid-card. His home.
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Post by Happy Pizza on May 14, 2008 19:15:06 GMT -5
The only time Kennedy gets decent pops is when they have somebody who can play a heel to perfection like Regal against him. I just had to laugh when he came back a few weeks ago, and got cheered despite having the exact same "gimmick" or lack thereof he did before, because I don't consider saying your name a good ring persona.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on May 14, 2008 19:38:22 GMT -5
They saw guys that could tell an amazing story in the ring, guys who excelled on the microphone, guys that weren't too shabby in the ring, and guys who were able to carry the entire company on their shoulders, and have it be extremely successful. MVP, on the other hand, does not possess the first and last qualities. And Kennedy posseses none of the qualities. I don't see either one being anything major. You say that about Kennedy because you dislike him. He excells on a microphone, he isn't too bad in the ring, and yes I can see him carrying the company much like Cena/Batista did. I am not in NO WAY saying he is the next Hogan, Rock, or Austin. More like the next Cena/Batista. Maybe even a bigger draw then Cena. Excels on the mic? You have to be kidding me. The only time a guy cuts a real promo is when he is screaming his name,, and it's not even appealing but annoying at that. He isn't horrible in the ring, but he is an average wrestler. Except for the Green Bay Plunge, and the Kenton Bomb, two moves which he never does anymore, he never does anything really out of the ordinary. He has a basic move set, which isn't really anything to brag about. His finisher has no impact whatsoever, and isn't a move to get a good reaction from the crowd. Kennedy is an average wrestler, just like I said.
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Post by Edge618 on May 14, 2008 19:49:36 GMT -5
The only time Kennedy gets decent pops is when they have somebody who can play a heel to perfection like Regal against him. I just had to laugh when he came back a few weeks ago, and got cheered despite having the exact same "gimmick" or lack thereof he did before, because I don't consider saying your name a good ring persona. He's only been a face for 2 weeks. Of course their going to have him go against someone everyone hates to get him some pops. Just like every other face in the WWE. What did you expect? Do you want him to come out and mess with HHH and get a huge pop? Thats not how it works
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Post by Iron Man on May 14, 2008 19:59:53 GMT -5
You say that about Kennedy because you dislike him. He excells on a microphone, he isn't too bad in the ring, and yes I can see him carrying the company much like Cena/Batista did. I am not in NO WAY saying he is the next Hogan, Rock, or Austin. More like the next Cena/Batista. Maybe even a bigger draw then Cena. Excels on the mic? You have to be kidding me. The only time a guy cuts a real promo is when he is screaming his name,, and it's not even appealing but annoying at that. He isn't horrible in the ring, but he is an average wrestler. Except for the Green Bay Plunge, and the Kenton Bomb, two moves which he never does anymore, he never does anything really out of the ordinary. He has a basic move set, which isn't really anything to brag about. His finisher has no impact whatsoever, and isn't a move to get a good reaction from the crowd. Kennedy is an average wrestler, just like I said. Have you seen his Smackdown and OVW promos? He is great on the mic. Sure the name thing gets annoying, but it's no different then Rock saying If ya smell what the rock is cooking. Kennedy is an average wrestler? OK. So is Cena a great wrestler? And Dark Knight, what exactly is Cena's gimmick? What is Orton's gimmick? What is Triple H's gimmick? You say Kennedy has no gimmick but I can't seem to find what Triple H's is, ya know the second biggest draw in the company. You people hate on Kennedy because you don't like him not because he really sucks or obviously he wouldn't be getting pushed, obviously he would be getting cheered every week on Raw. And to Happy Pizza, I think you need to turn your TV up or clean your ears. Even as a heel Kennedy got some huge ovations every time his theme hits, especially when he was on Smackdown.
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Post by chumped on May 14, 2008 20:01:08 GMT -5
Excels on the mic? You have to be kidding me. The only time a guy cuts a real promo is when he is screaming his name,, and it's not even appealing but annoying at that. He isn't horrible in the ring, but he is an average wrestler. Except for the Green Bay Plunge, and the Kenton Bomb, two moves which he never does anymore, he never does anything really out of the ordinary. He has a basic move set, which isn't really anything to brag about. His finisher has no impact whatsoever, and isn't a move to get a good reaction from the crowd. Kennedy is an average wrestler, just like I said. Have you seen his Smackdown and OVW promos? He is great on the mic. Sure the name thing gets annoying, but it's no different then Rock saying If ya smell what the rock is cooking. Kennedy is an average wrestler? OK. So is Cena a great wrestler? And Dark Knight, what exactly is Cena's gimmick? What is Orton's gimmick? What is Triple H's gimmick? You say Kennedy has no gimmick but I can't seem to find what Triple H's is, ya know the second biggest draw in the company. You people hate on Kennedy because you don't like him not because he really sucks or obviously he wouldn't be getting pushed, obviously he would be getting cheered every week on Raw. And to Happy Pizza, I think you need to turn your TV up or clean your ears. Even as a heel Kennedy got some huge ovations every time his theme hits, especially when he was on Smackdown. If you don't know Triple H or Randy Orton's gimmick by now, then I really don't think this argument needs to go any further, because you're just trying to find every possible way to back up Kennedy.
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Post by Iron Man on May 14, 2008 20:02:21 GMT -5
Have you seen his Smackdown and OVW promos? He is great on the mic. Sure the name thing gets annoying, but it's no different then Rock saying If ya smell what the rock is cooking. Kennedy is an average wrestler? OK. So is Cena a great wrestler? And Dark Knight, what exactly is Cena's gimmick? What is Orton's gimmick? What is Triple H's gimmick? You say Kennedy has no gimmick but I can't seem to find what Triple H's is, ya know the second biggest draw in the company. You people hate on Kennedy because you don't like him not because he really sucks or obviously he wouldn't be getting pushed, obviously he would be getting cheered every week on Raw. And to Happy Pizza, I think you need to turn your TV up or clean your ears. Even as a heel Kennedy got some huge ovations every time his theme hits, especially when he was on Smackdown. If you don't know Triple H or Randy Orton's gimmick by now, then I really don't think this argument needs to go any further, because you're just trying to find every possible way to back up Kennedy. What a cocky heel? So was Kennedy..
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Post by chumped on May 14, 2008 20:04:58 GMT -5
If you don't know Triple H or Randy Orton's gimmick by now, then I really don't think this argument needs to go any further, because you're just trying to find every possible way to back up Kennedy. What a cocky heel? So was Kennedy.. I guess you're talking about Randy Orton. Randy Orton is not a cocky heel. He is a sadistic, crazed heel who only cares about the WWE title. And come on, you cannot seriously sit there and say you don't know Triple H's gimmick when it is plastered all over every T Shirt and DVD. Not to mention he is called The King of Kings just about every single week, and calls himself that.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on May 14, 2008 20:07:17 GMT -5
Excels on the mic? You have to be kidding me. The only time a guy cuts a real promo is when he is screaming his name,, and it's not even appealing but annoying at that. He isn't horrible in the ring, but he is an average wrestler. Except for the Green Bay Plunge, and the Kenton Bomb, two moves which he never does anymore, he never does anything really out of the ordinary. He has a basic move set, which isn't really anything to brag about. His finisher has no impact whatsoever, and isn't a move to get a good reaction from the crowd. Kennedy is an average wrestler, just like I said. Have you seen his Smackdown and OVW promos? He is great on the mic. Sure the name thing gets annoying, but it's no different then Rock saying If ya smell what the rock is cooking. Kennedy is an average wrestler? OK. So is Cena a great wrestler? And Dark Knight, what exactly is Cena's gimmick? What is Orton's gimmick? What is Triple H's gimmick? You say Kennedy has no gimmick but I can't seem to find what Triple H's is, ya know the second biggest draw in the company. You people hate on Kennedy because you don't like him not because he really sucks or obviously he wouldn't be getting pushed, obviously he would be getting cheered every week on Raw. And to Happy Pizza, I think you need to turn your TV up or clean your ears. Even as a heel Kennedy got some huge ovations every time his theme hits, especially when he was on Smackdown. But see, here is the thing. Kennedy hasn't been in OVW in like 4 years, and hasn't been on SD in over a year. So far in his time on RAW, I haven't heard any promos worth watching over again. I never once said Cena was a great wrestler, so I have no idea as to why he is being brought into this conversation. The gimmick thing is stupid. Orton is the cocky heel who will do anything to regain/keep his title, Triple H is King of Kings, the cerebral assassin, you know, the Game? Cena's gimmick is a never back down, never quit fighter who overcomes odds in many situations. Kennedy's gimmick, so far, has been proven to be a loud mouth with average wrestling skills.
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Post by hurricane on May 14, 2008 20:08:02 GMT -5
Anyone who saw MVP wrestle Benoit should know better than to say he has no talent. He'll definately be up there one day, and rightfully so. Kennedy however, him.
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Post by Iron Man on May 14, 2008 20:08:34 GMT -5
What a cocky heel? So was Kennedy.. I guess you're talking about Randy Orton. Randy Orton is not a cocky heel. He is a sadistic, crazed heel who only cares about the WWE title. And come on, you cannot seriously sit there and say you don't know Triple H's gimmick when it is plastered all over every T Shirt and DVD. Not to mention he is called The King of Kings just about every single week, and calls himself that. How is a "King of Kings" a gimmick? That is just something he says. He has no gimmick anymore. And Randy Orton's is a generic gimmick. Kennedy's could be the Loudmouth, arrogant prick Seriously, and what is Cena, teh Marine!!1111
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Post by Iron Man on May 14, 2008 20:09:12 GMT -5
Anyone who saw MVP wrestle Benoit should know better than to say he has no talent. He'll definately be up there one day, and rightfully so. Kennedy however, him. Because MVP wrestled Chris ing Benoit. Khali could wrestle Benoit and it could be great. Get another reason.
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Post by chumped on May 14, 2008 20:10:59 GMT -5
I guess you're talking about Randy Orton. Randy Orton is not a cocky heel. He is a sadistic, crazed heel who only cares about the WWE title. And come on, you cannot seriously sit there and say you don't know Triple H's gimmick when it is plastered all over every T Shirt and DVD. Not to mention he is called The King of Kings just about every single week, and calls himself that. How is a "King of Kings" a gimmick? That is just something he says. He has no gimmick anymore. And Randy Orton's is a generic gimmick. Kennedy's could be the Loudmouth, arrogant prick Seriously, and what is Cena, teh Marine!!1111 The King of Kings is his gimmick. He is called that, he calls himself that, his DVD is called that, his shirts say that.
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Post by Iron Man on May 14, 2008 20:11:37 GMT -5
Have you seen his Smackdown and OVW promos? He is great on the mic. Sure the name thing gets annoying, but it's no different then Rock saying If ya smell what the rock is cooking. Kennedy is an average wrestler? OK. So is Cena a great wrestler? And Dark Knight, what exactly is Cena's gimmick? What is Orton's gimmick? What is Triple H's gimmick? You say Kennedy has no gimmick but I can't seem to find what Triple H's is, ya know the second biggest draw in the company. You people hate on Kennedy because you don't like him not because he really sucks or obviously he wouldn't be getting pushed, obviously he would be getting cheered every week on Raw. And to Happy Pizza, I think you need to turn your TV up or clean your ears. Even as a heel Kennedy got some huge ovations every time his theme hits, especially when he was on Smackdown. But see, here is the thing. Kennedy hasn't been in OVW in like 4 years, and hasn't been on SD in over a year. So far in his time on RAW, I haven't heard any promos worth watching over again. I never once said Cena was a great wrestler, so I have no idea as to why he is being brought into this conversation. The gimmick thing is stupid. Orton is the cocky heel who will do anything to regain/keep his title, Triple H is King of Kings, the cerebral assassin, you know, the Game? Cena's gimmick is a never back down, never quit fighter who overcomes odds in many situations. Kennedy's gimmick, so far, has been proven to be a loud mouth with average wrestling skills. King of Kings, so I assume he comes down with a King's robe on? nope. A crown? Nope. What the hell kind of gimmick is King of Kings then? And the Cerebral Assassin is like 5 years old now.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on May 14, 2008 20:13:20 GMT -5
But see, here is the thing. Kennedy hasn't been in OVW in like 4 years, and hasn't been on SD in over a year. So far in his time on RAW, I haven't heard any promos worth watching over again. I never once said Cena was a great wrestler, so I have no idea as to why he is being brought into this conversation. The gimmick thing is stupid. Orton is the cocky heel who will do anything to regain/keep his title, Triple H is King of Kings, the cerebral assassin, you know, the Game? Cena's gimmick is a never back down, never quit fighter who overcomes odds in many situations. Kennedy's gimmick, so far, has been proven to be a loud mouth with average wrestling skills. King of Kings, so I assume he comes down with a King's robe on? nope. A crown? Nope. What the hell kind of gimmick is King of Kings then? And the Cerebral Assassin is like 5 years old now. That still doesn't explain Kennedy's gimmick. Stop worrying about Triple H's.
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Post by Iron Man on May 14, 2008 20:14:02 GMT -5
How is a "King of Kings" a gimmick? That is just something he says. He has no gimmick anymore. And Randy Orton's is a generic gimmick. Kennedy's could be the Loudmouth, arrogant prick Seriously, and what is Cena, teh Marine!!1111 The King of Kings is his gimmick. He is called that, he calls himself that, his DVD is called that, his shirts say that. That isn't a gimmick, its a catchphrase. The Rock's gimmick wasn't the most electryfying man in sports entertainment. HBK's gimmick isn't Heart Break Kid.
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Post by Iron Man on May 14, 2008 20:14:53 GMT -5
King of Kings, so I assume he comes down with a King's robe on? nope. A crown? Nope. What the hell kind of gimmick is King of Kings then? And the Cerebral Assassin is like 5 years old now. That still doesn't explain Kennedy's gimmick. Stop worrying about Triple H's. You said he didn't have a gimmick and I was just proving you wrong and giving you a few guys who also don't have gimmicks or have gimmicks similar to Kennedy's.
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Post by chumped on May 14, 2008 20:16:12 GMT -5
The King of Kings is his gimmick. He is called that, he calls himself that, his DVD is called that, his shirts say that. That isn't a gimmick, its a catchphrase. The Rock's gimmick wasn't the most electryfying man in sports entertainment. HBK's gimmick isn't Heart Break Kid. Umm.... Yes it is....
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Post by Iron Man on May 14, 2008 20:16:50 GMT -5
That isn't a gimmick, its a catchphrase. The Rock's gimmick wasn't the most electryfying man in sports entertainment. HBK's gimmick isn't Heart Break Kid. Umm.... Yes it is.... Not anymore.
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