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Post by wabarrett on Apr 4, 2008 13:16:21 GMT -5
Oh yeah to tell the truth I'd easily rather see WM 23 again than see 16 or some of the older ones, but that's 'cause I've only seen 16-24. 16 was bad too actually as was 18 in my opinion.
Maybe I need to see WM 23 again and give it a chance, but from what I remember, the size of the arena and the crowd was the only good part. I just didn't enjoy WWE overall from August 2006 - late last year.
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Post by Ari Gold on Apr 4, 2008 13:42:14 GMT -5
wm 23 sucked.
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Post by MondayRaw on Apr 4, 2008 13:45:20 GMT -5
I was at WM23, so I really enjoyed the whole event and weekend in Detroit..
The two main events were great, also
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Post by Lennon on Apr 4, 2008 13:46:17 GMT -5
Is it just me who thought WrestleMania XX sucked ? I wouldn't say it sucked, but it's severely overrated. The 2 Tag Title matches were pretty worthless and the Women's match was pretty terrible too. The CW invitational was a bit of a mess too. It just seemed to me that the 'E' tried to fit as many people as they could on the card so they could be a part of the 20th WrestleMania, but it didn't really work. Also, Lesnar/Goldberg happened, which didn't help matters. On the other hand, Cena/Big Show wasn't a bad opener and Jericho/Christian was a very good match with a great heel turn by Trish to boot. Eddie/Angle was good as well. The triple threat, without the emotion surrounding Benoit's quest to win the Title, is just a decent triple threat and not a lot more. I like it, but, even before the Benoit murder case last year, the more I watched it, the less I liked the match as a stand alone match. The same can be said for the Taker/Kane match as well. Taker's return as the Deadman was pretty epic and extremely well done, but the match itself left a lot to be desired. Oh, and before I forget it, Evolution vs Rock & Foley was actually an entertaining handicap match. But yeah, WM XX, content wise was just ok, nothing mind blowing about it. How can WM 20 be overrated? I don't ever see people claiming it was a fantastic event. I think people just use the word "overrated" as a way to say they don't like something. Which is wrong...
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Post by B-Radimus Prime on Apr 4, 2008 14:25:17 GMT -5
I didn't like WM23 at all. The MITB match and the Flair/Michaels match were the only matches that I enjoyed.
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Post by T1 on Apr 4, 2008 14:33:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it sucked, but it's severely overrated. The 2 Tag Title matches were pretty worthless and the Women's match was pretty terrible too. The CW invitational was a bit of a mess too. It just seemed to me that the 'E' tried to fit as many people as they could on the card so they could be a part of the 20th WrestleMania, but it didn't really work. Also, Lesnar/Goldberg happened, which didn't help matters. On the other hand, Cena/Big Show wasn't a bad opener and Jericho/Christian was a very good match with a great heel turn by Trish to boot. Eddie/Angle was good as well. The triple threat, without the emotion surrounding Benoit's quest to win the Title, is just a decent triple threat and not a lot more. I like it, but, even before the Benoit murder case last year, the more I watched it, the less I liked the match as a stand alone match. The same can be said for the Taker/Kane match as well. Taker's return as the Deadman was pretty epic and extremely well done, but the match itself left a lot to be desired. Oh, and before I forget it, Evolution vs Rock & Foley was actually an entertaining handicap match. But yeah, WM XX, content wise was just ok, nothing mind blowing about it. How can WM 20 be overrated? I don't ever see people claiming it was a fantastic event. I think people just use the word "overrated" as a way to say they don't like something. Which is wrong... I always see people claiming WMXX is the one of the greatest WM's ever...which it wasn't IMO.
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Post by Wrestlaholic on Apr 4, 2008 14:41:09 GMT -5
I loved WM20. My personal favourite.
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Post by Chicago on Apr 4, 2008 14:43:58 GMT -5
I haven't seen WMXXIII since it aired last year, but there is no way you can consider it one of the worst of all 24 WrestleMania's thus far.
There are several other stinkers out there that would beat last year's as one of the worst. For instance, WrestleMania's 2, 4, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15, etc. I watched XX again recently, but I plan on watching the rest soon so I can judge all of the more recent WrestleMania's properly. But, from what I remember, XXIII wasn't a bad show and did have some good matches in the Main Event and undercard such as MVP/Benoit.
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Post by hbk4champ on Apr 4, 2008 14:57:58 GMT -5
imo it was one of the best wrestlemania's ever. it defo had that wm feel to it. now i dont know if it was because i was there or not but nonetheless it was fantastic. also imo wm 24 didn't have that wm feel to it and it wasn't the best in years. neither was wm 21. imo wm 21 was probabley the second worst wrestlemania this decade. wm 16 was the worst.
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Post by HugoOne on Apr 4, 2008 15:11:14 GMT -5
I think 20 was the worst honestly. It was an ok show but it was overhyped to be the best thing ever and it just wasnt. Plus Brock Lesner vs Goldberg happened Wow, realy? Two top-notch main events is good enough for me, but you also had Jericho vs. Christian and Evolution vs. the Rock and Sock Connection popped out great matches. If you really want to look at the worst, you really have to watch them all. The first Wrestlemania had NO redeeming factors aside from the historical value of it. 2 was abysmal with one good tag team title match. 9 was God awful from everything I've heard (I've only watched 2 and 10-now). I hated 18 as well. The Rock vs. Hogan was fun, but that was the only thing that PPV had going for it. I'm still not a fan of the 'Taker/Flair match as it was too one-sided for my liking. XI was pretty bad too. For me to hate a Wrestlemania, it's gotta have no redeeming qualities. For 23, both main events more than delivered as well as the Money in the Bank so that was good enough for me. Honestly, I've gotta go 17 being the absolute best with 10 close behind, and 20 behind that. I don't know how anyone can hate XX unless you factor in Benoit ended up being a murderer. Sure, Brock and Goldberg sucked, but when has Goldberg been a good wrestler anyway? And the crowd was entertaining enough to keep me interested. You've really gotta look at the positives over the negatives and considering the card had 4 fantastic matches on it, it blows most PPVs out of the water.
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Post by James Hardy on Apr 4, 2008 15:35:23 GMT -5
It isn't one of the worst, it's just kind of mediocre. It had a few good matches, but it suffered from having only 8 matches, and two of them were horrible (Kane vs. Khali, Ashley vs. Melina)
But the two main events were very good, MITB was good, Benoit vs. MVP was good, and the ECW match was decent. Bobby Lashley vs. Umaga was okay too but I hated the whole spectacle of McMahon vs. Trump.
As for which ones are the worst: 1, 2, 4, 9, 11, 13, and 16 are all pretty bad..
And as for Mania XX.. when it first happened I loved it. I think it was the atmosphere of the Garden and the really good main events, but as I watched again a few years later, I realized it's not as good as I once thought, but it's still a solid show. The main events, Jericho vs. Christian, Rock n Sock vs. Evolution and Big Show vs. Cena are all good, plus even though the Tag Matches, Women's matches and Cruiserweight match are kind of pointless they still weren't horrible by any means.
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Post by k5 on Apr 4, 2008 15:36:21 GMT -5
i'd agree with you, 23 sucked.
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Post by ironman on Apr 4, 2008 15:50:01 GMT -5
i coodnt even stand 2 watch the main event at 23 I have had to Mania 23 DVD for about a year and I still haven't watched the main event lol
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Post by Guy Incognito on Apr 4, 2008 18:38:14 GMT -5
I never watched 23 because hearing the card made me not want it.
Kane vs Khali - What a crap match MITB - Only match I really get excited for, I watched it on youtube! Carlito & Flair vs Chavo & Helms - Why did they use this instead of the interpromotional battle royal with all the people left out like Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas and so forth Batista vs Undertaker - I watched this because the Undertaker was in it and it was better than expected Umaga vs Lashley - Sounded crap right from the start Cena vs Michaels - Superman ofcourse would have won, it was so predictable Melina vs Trashley - Trashley wrestling at mania is a big no-no! MVP vs *Censored* - Sounded like a great match and I didn't see it Originals vs New Breed - Pointless rivalry, too predictable
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Post by Jamal on Apr 4, 2008 19:04:23 GMT -5
It was definitely not even close to being 50 bucks worth....
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Post by joebaia88 on Apr 4, 2008 19:33:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it sucked, but it's severely overrated. The 2 Tag Title matches were pretty worthless and the Women's match was pretty terrible too. The CW invitational was a bit of a mess too. It just seemed to me that the 'E' tried to fit as many people as they could on the card so they could be a part of the 20th WrestleMania, but it didn't really work. Also, Lesnar/Goldberg happened, which didn't help matters. On the other hand, Cena/Big Show wasn't a bad opener and Jericho/Christian was a very good match with a great heel turn by Trish to boot. Eddie/Angle was good as well. The triple threat, without the emotion surrounding Benoit's quest to win the Title, is just a decent triple threat and not a lot more. I like it, but, even before the Benoit murder case last year, the more I watched it, the less I liked the match as a stand alone match. The same can be said for the Taker/Kane match as well. Taker's return as the Deadman was pretty epic and extremely well done, but the match itself left a lot to be desired. Oh, and before I forget it, Evolution vs Rock & Foley was actually an entertaining handicap match. But yeah, WM XX, content wise was just ok, nothing mind blowing about it. How can WM 20 be overrated? I don't ever see people claiming it was a fantastic event. I think people just use the word "overrated" as a way to say they don't like something. Which is wrong... I didn't dislike WM XX, but I've seen a fair amount of people on these very forums at some point or another say how great an event it was, so therefore, I'm ok in saying it's overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2008 20:34:29 GMT -5
Ok a raise of hands:
Who here dissing WM 23 is honestly because Michaels lost?
WM 22 was complete crap minus the Edge/Foley match. WM 23 had several good matches.
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Post by joebaia88 on Apr 4, 2008 20:39:43 GMT -5
Ok a raise of hands: Who here dissing WM 23 is honestly because Michaels lost? WM 22 was complete **** minus the Edge/Foley match. WM 23 had several good matches. I was thinking the exact same thing. Just because HBK lost I've seen so many people on here slate that match when in fact, it was a really really good match that was worthy of being a 'Mania main event. And besides, at this point in his career, Michaels should be putting Cena over, he's achieved everything he can, he's a multiple time World champ, why does he need another run with the strap? What good would it do him? HBK did what was right for business and put Cena over that night. Also, if it bothers people that much, HBK beat Cena the Raw before Backlash in the hour long match. Does that not make up for it Cena haters?
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Post by leafs911 on Apr 4, 2008 21:14:25 GMT -5
I think 20 was the worst honestly. It was an ok show but it was overhyped to be the best thing ever and it just wasnt. Plus Brock Lesner vs Goldberg happened yeah 20 was not good, and 23 was bad too
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Post by miserere on Apr 4, 2008 21:18:32 GMT -5
Ok a raise of hands: Who here dissing WM 23 is honestly because Michaels lost? WM 22 was complete **** minus the Edge/Foley match. WM 23 had several good matches. I was thinking the exact same thing. Just because HBK lost I've seen so many people on here slate that match when in fact, it was a really really good match that was worthy of being a 'Mania main event. And besides, at this point in his career, Michaels should be putting Cena over, he's achieved everything he can, he's a multiple time World champ, why does he need another run with the strap? What good would it do him? HBK did what was right for business and put Cena over that night. Also, if it bothers people that much, HBK beat Cena the Raw before Backlash in the hour long match. Does that not make up for it Cena haters? Winning the world title isn't always just for the person winning it. Sometimes they'll put the strap on a guy for the sake of the company. I think if they gave HBK a good enough story and rivalry with a top-tier superstar, it could do wonders for WWE. That said, I think 23 wasn't bad. X8 was absolute garbage, let's pick on that one. And what, exactly, defines this "WrestleMania feel" people keep talking about? Being held in a big football stadium? Loud, uproarious crowds? Big set-ups, lots of pyro, and cool entrances? What's the deal?
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