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Post by 49% Motherf**ker, 51% SOB on Mar 22, 2008 10:06:37 GMT -5
Here are a few moments when I feel that Vince's ego has gotten in the way and by doing that, he has held back superstars and ruined potentially the biggest angle of all time.
Test/Stephanie Wedding/Armageddon 1999
Don't you think it would of made more sense for Test to be the one who fought Triple H at Armageddon that year? That could of been a huge push in the right direction for Test, and could have gotten him over. A lot of people say that Test had all the right tools to be a huge star, but could this have been the missing piece? Am not saying Test would have been the next Austin or even Triple H, but it didn't make any sense for him not being in that match.
Invasion angle
Why was Stone Cold Steve Austin the head of the Invasion team??? Because Vince didn't want a true WCW or ECW superstar to lead that team. If the WWF/E was going to prevail in the end, why didn't it matter who was leading the Invasion team??
There was a lot more wrong with this entire angle then that, but it didn't make sense then and it doesn't make sense now. It would be if they bought TNA and they did that angle now and John Cena or Triple H is the leader.
Raw is McMahon!!!
Remember for that period of time when every Monday was based around the McMahons?? I think that is another example of time being wasted, and time that could have been used on putting people over. If the writers spent as much time on the McMahons, with Superstars that they claim to have no ideas with, I think the wrestling world would be different.
Thoughts???
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Post by J12 on Mar 22, 2008 10:12:33 GMT -5
Very solid points, but I'd say Vince's ego has been getting in the way of a solid product since about 2003.
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Post by 49% Motherf**ker, 51% SOB on Mar 22, 2008 10:17:37 GMT -5
Very solid points, but I'd say Vince's ego has been getting in the way of a solid product since about 2003. I agree. I'd have to use several posts to point out every time lol.
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Post by Suckasays on Mar 22, 2008 10:21:02 GMT -5
Vince should have bought out Goldbergs contract and brought him in for the invasion angle. That's all he would have needed at the time. Then perhaps even the NWO could have gotten involved in there somewhere.
Vince should have thrown the money around to make it work. Can you imagine if after Vince had bought WCW, the NWO came out and told Vince they did what he asked...they went into WCW and destroyed it from the inside out. Then Goldberg and a group of WCW guys showed up and fought against the NWO and the WWF.
That would have been big money
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 22, 2008 11:00:37 GMT -5
I think you need to quit bitching about, if ya don`t like it don`t watch! All 3 scenarios you desribed are called HEEL HEAT!! It`s part of the show! If test was going to go anywhere don`t ya think he`d be there by now? Test is roided out, and his best days are way behind him!
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Mar 22, 2008 12:00:59 GMT -5
The Draft
Vince wanting to compete with himself, WTF
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Post by youngmanrumbling on Mar 22, 2008 12:07:22 GMT -5
The Draft Vince wanting to compete with himself, WTF And before any one argues this, what he means is Vince was running Smackdown.... yet in real life, neither brand sends out paychecks with a different named signed to them.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Mar 22, 2008 12:34:44 GMT -5
The Draft Vince wanting to compete with himself, WTF And before any one argues this, what he means is Vince was running Smackdown.... yet in real life, neither brand sends out paychecks with a different named signed to them. TBH, I think they know that Vince is the complete owner anyway
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Post by ryanissexy on Mar 22, 2008 12:43:42 GMT -5
He became irrelevant as as on screen character a little after the Austin feud, in my opinion. He's a big reason why I can't get back into the programs.
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Post by dancinfatass on Mar 22, 2008 12:48:54 GMT -5
Vince shouldn't even be an on screen character, the time and storylines his slots are fillign could be used for wrestelrs to get them over. I hate vince.
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Post by 49% Motherf**ker, 51% SOB on Mar 22, 2008 13:52:57 GMT -5
I think you need to quit bitching about, if ya don`t like it don`t watch! All 3 scenarios you desribed are called HEEL HEAT!! It`s part of the show! If test was going to go anywhere don`t ya think he`d be there by now? Test is roided out, and his best days are way behind him! I don't think you understand what I am trying to say here and am not even going to attempt to explain myself to you. Anyone who logically knows how to think will understand my point.
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Post by slappy on Mar 22, 2008 13:58:58 GMT -5
I loved when the McMahon's were the focus of the show.
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Post by mercennario1080 on Mar 22, 2008 14:04:12 GMT -5
Vince should have bought out Goldbergs contract and brought him in for the invasion angle. That's all he would have needed at the time. Then perhaps even the NWO could have gotten involved in there somewhere. Vince should have thrown the money around to make it work. Can you imagine if after Vince had bought WCW, the NWO came out and told Vince they did what he asked...they went into WCW and destroyed it from the inside out. Then Goldberg and a group of WCW guys showed up and fought against the NWO and the WWF. That would have been big money That would have really maked it very interesting.
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Post by CBT on Mar 22, 2008 16:33:39 GMT -5
I loved when the McMahon's were the focus of the show. I prefered the McMahon-Hemsley era, and just to avoid confusion I mean the on screen version that seen Steph turn heel and just genuinely good, unpredictable, television.
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Post by mrchase on Mar 22, 2008 17:18:54 GMT -5
Here are a few moments when I feel that Vince's ego has gotten in the way and by doing that, he has held back superstars and ruined potentially the biggest angle of all time. Invasion angle Why was Stone Cold Steve Austin the head of the Invasion team??? Because Vince didn't want a true WCW or ECW superstar to lead that team. If the WWF/E was going to prevail in the end, why didn't it matter who was leading the Invasion team?? There was a lot more wrong with this entire angle then that, but it didn't make sense then and it doesn't make sense now. It would be if they bought TNA and they did that angle now and John Cena or Triple H is the leader. Thoughts??? vince didn't want a true WCW or ECW superstar to lead that team ? what are talking about stone cold Steve Austin was a ture WCW &ECW star .steve austin made his name is WCW & was in ECW before WWF. Why was Stone Cold Steve Austin the head of the Invasion team??? because steve austi nwas big name star & was a star is WCW & was in ECW . . also vince could not get all of WCW maineventers because of their turner contracts paid more then vince could pay them .SO they waited out their bigg turner contracts to get paid big.The original invasion plan was for the two man power trip to lead the INvasion team. the reason for that was because both members of two man power trip wrestled for WCW. if they did a tna invasion , john cena or HHH would not be the leaders of TNA side . the leader tna faction would be jeff hardy ,the truth, or aj styles. unless vince got kurt angle come back then kurt angle would be leader tna faction
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Post by ravensgathering on Mar 22, 2008 18:50:12 GMT -5
Vince should have bought out Goldbergs contract and brought him in for the invasion angle. That's all he would have needed at the time. Then perhaps even the NWO could have gotten involved in there somewhere. Vince should have thrown the money around to make it work. Can you imagine if after Vince had bought WCW, the NWO came out and told Vince they did what he asked...they went into WCW and destroyed it from the inside out. Then Goldberg and a group of WCW guys showed up and fought against the NWO and the WWF. That would have been big money The problem with that was not Vince McMahon it was the superstars themselves. See guys like Nash and Hogan had BIG money deals with Time Warner. So if they wanted out what they would of had to do was ask Time Warner for a buy out of their contract and Time Warner was offering 10 cents on the dollar. So all the sudden 1 Million dollars was a lot less and then these guys had to go back to work.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Mar 22, 2008 19:46:30 GMT -5
The name change. Vince could've easily slipped the panda ers some cash and kept the WWF name.
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Post by Sound888 on Mar 22, 2008 20:02:28 GMT -5
Vince shouldn't even be an on screen character, the time and storylines his slots are fillign could be used for wrestelrs to get them over. I hate vince. I couldn't diasgree more...
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Post by B.D. & El G. on Mar 22, 2008 22:14:55 GMT -5
There seems to be something that keeps bugging me about the date November 9th, 1997...
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Post by The Assassin on Mar 22, 2008 23:37:32 GMT -5
-not releasing full DVDs of WCW PPVs, and full season sets of Nitro and Thunder (Raw and Smackdown should also have full season sets, but i don't think that's because of Vince's ego) -WWF/WCW/ECW Invasion had real potential -nWo 2002 had even bigger potential
IMO Vince not wanting to celebrate/utilize WCW and nWo properly (after buying it i mean) is my main disappointment
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