I agree, Flair sucks and HBK never deserved this.

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I've compiled many matches between the two. Flair and Michaels have wrestled each other dozens of times, this is getting ridiculous.

[Mark]

That was like deja vu, about 7 times over!

[jomoishollywood]

I still think this match is going to be a classic.

[eso]

yeah wrestlemania doesnt look very special this year..

[carly1988]

Flair sucks?? Stupid teenagers

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carly1988 said:

Flair sucks?? Stupid teenagers

Obviously in the 80's Flair was good, but age caught up with him.

[Silent Jay]

Say what you want about Jebus but leave Flair out of your God bashing.

[joebaia88]

Anyone who says Ric Flair sucks needs pistol whipping. Words fail me, I can only hope it was said in jest, but even then, it should still be an arrestable offense, carrying at least 10 years in jail being forced to watch Naitch's brilliance over and over on a continuous loop until you realise the error of your ways.

If it wasn't for Ric Flair, I wouldn't like to guess how many wrestlers would have chosen different career paths.

[carly1988]

cb88 said:

carly1988 said:

Flair sucks?? Stupid teenagers

Obviously in the 80's Flair was good, but age caught up with him.

as it did the Heartbreak Hag....Shawn Michaels isnt a spring chicken. You know you're old when just wearing tight pants hurts your knees. I mean seriously I love flair. To me hes the all time greatest. Has time passed him by? Of course, He is a legend though. He deserves to go out his own time and his own way. I dont see why everyone says Flair is bland does the same things in the ring. Hell they all do. The quote someone used was "if you've seen one Flair match youve seen them all" That can be said for any wrestler. Its their move set and they are gonna use the same thing over and over.

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I could remember as a small child back in 91' or 92', thinking Flair was 70 years old while watching wrestling.

[Silent Jay]

cb88 said:

I could remember as a small child back in 91' or 92', thinking Flair was 70 years old while watching wrestling.

Just stop, stop now.

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carly1988 said:

cb88 said:

Obviously in the 80's Flair was good, but age caught up with him.

as it did the Heartbreak Hag....Shawn Michaels isnt a spring chicken. You know you're old when just wearing tight pants hurts your knees. I mean seriously I love flair. To me hes the all time greatest. Has time passed him by? Of course, He is a legend though. He deserves to go out his own time and his own way. I dont see why everyone says Flair is bland does the same things in the ring. Hell they all do. The quote someone used was "if you've seen one Flair match youve seen them all" That can be said for any wrestler. Its their move set and they are gonna use the same thing over and over.

Shawn's knees have nothing to do with age, his knees have bothered him since 1990 in a motorcycle accident. And on top of that accident, Shawn's knees have suffered even more punishment since he's the most diverse wrestler in WWE history. He changes his style using, technical, high-flying, and submission. He also puts his body on the line and reinvents himself in the ring.

[carly1988]

as i remember 10 years ago HBK being world champion steam rolling over Sparky Plug, Aldo Montoya, TL Hopper and Dr Issac Yankem, then dancing around taking his clothes off talking about how all the men wanted to be him and all the women wanted him.......Funny part is I remember Flair doing it about 10 years before him...Way to be original

Does anyone else not realize the talent pool HBK had to go through when he was on top (96-early 97) There wasnt anyone in the WWF. Who else were they gonna get to carry the ship?? HBK and Hart were the only two that Vince could rely on. When Bret took off HBK was "the man" by default. What matches other then the ones with Hart can HBK say were truly classic for the WWE championship??? His title defense against the worst big man in sports, Sid? Or his 5 star classics with Vader and Mankind that nobody watched cause they were all tuned into Nitro and the nWo. The back injury and his ego hurt HBKs career more then anything. He would either "layout" cause of an injury and miss time so he wouldnt have to job to a Hart and then he had the back injury and went on the shelf and couldnt be there for the attitude era throughout the rock/austin/HHH times. If HBK would have been able to stick around and didnt have to take 4 years off then yea i would probably consider him a top 10 great but when you're the champ and your roster looks like a cast of cartoon characters then its just not gonna work for me. Even when flair spent a year in the WWF the roster was at top notch with Hogan, Von Erich, Savage, Perfect, Lawler, Warrior and even Hart and Michaels

[King Shocker the Monumentous]

When you say "HBK never deserved this," are you basing that on the belief that Flair sucks?

[James Hetfield]

I don't think you should really count tag matches.

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cantstoptheshock said:

When you say "HBK never deserved this," are you basing that on the belief that Flair sucks?

I'm saying that HBK never deserved to have to carry yet another jabroni at WM. He did it already with Cena and Vince. Why is it that at every wrestlemania since 06', Michaels has had to make a pile of crap look like a million bucks?

[King Shocker the Monumentous]

cb88 said:

cantstoptheshock said:

When you say "HBK never deserved this," are you basing that on the belief that Flair sucks?

I'm saying that HBK never deserved to have to carry yet another jabroni at WM. He did it already with Cena and Vince. Why is it that at every wrestlemania since 06', Michaels has had to make a pile of crap look like a million bucks?

Because he's so damn good at it, I'd imagine.

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carly1988 said:

as i remember 10 years ago HBK being world champion steam rolling over Sparky Plug, Aldo Montoya, TL Hopper and Dr Issac Yankem, then dancing around taking his clothes off talking about how all the men wanted to be him and all the women wanted him.......Funny part is I remember Flair doing it about 10 years before him...Way to be original

Does anyone else not realize the talent pool HBK had to go through when he was on top (96-early 97) There wasnt anyone in the WWF. Who else were they gonna get to carry the ship?? HBK and Hart were the only two that Vince could rely on. When Bret took off HBK was "the man" by default. What matches other then the ones with Hart can HBK say were truly classic for the WWE championship??? His title defense against the worst big man in sports, Sid? Or his 5 star classics with Vader and Mankind that nobody watched cause they were all tuned into Nitro and the nWo. The back injury and his ego hurt HBKs career more then anything. He would either "layout" cause of an injury and miss time so he wouldnt have to job to a Hart and then he had the back injury and went on the shelf and couldnt be there for the attitude era throughout the rock/austin/HHH times. If HBK would have been able to stick around and didnt have to take 4 years off then yea i would probably consider him a top 10 great but when you're the champ and your roster looks like a cast of cartoon characters then its just not gonna work for me. Even when flair spent a year in the WWF the roster was at top notch with Hogan, Von Erich, Savage, Perfect, Lawler, Warrior and even Hart and Michaels

Once again, your argument is invalid, do you know what Shawn Michaels reputation in the ring is? They say he can make a mop look good. And you can't say that since most of the roster in the mid to late nineties sucked, that it's the only reason why HBK looks great in the ring. Did you forget about his 2002 return and how strong the roster was? Yet still Shawn was looked at as the greatest. My point is that no matter if it's Henry Godwin or Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels shines on every PPV. Incase you didnt notice, people always say, "Michaels had the match of the night".

[King Shocker the Monumentous]

cb88 said:

They say he can make a mop look good.

Unfortunately, HBK was retired by that point, so WWE had to entrust that task to...Perry Saturn. And we all know how that turned out.

[Iron Man]

carly1988 said:

as i remember 10 years ago HBK being world champion steam rolling over Sparky Plug, Aldo Montoya, TL Hopper and Dr Issac Yankem, then dancing around taking his clothes off talking about how all the men wanted to be him and all the women wanted him.......Funny part is I remember Flair doing it about 10 years before him...Way to be original

Does anyone else not realize the talent pool HBK had to go through when he was on top (96-early 97) There wasnt anyone in the WWF. Who else were they gonna get to carry the ship?? HBK and Hart were the only two that Vince could rely on. When Bret took off HBK was "the man" by default. What matches other then the ones with Hart can HBK say were truly classic for the WWE championship??? His title defense against the worst big man in sports, Sid? Or his 5 star classics with Vader and Mankind that nobody watched cause they were all tuned into Nitro and the nWo. The back injury and his ego hurt HBKs career more then anything. He would either "layout" cause of an injury and miss time so he wouldnt have to job to a Hart and then he had the back injury and went on the shelf and couldnt be there for the attitude era throughout the rock/austin/HHH times. If HBK would have been able to stick around and didnt have to take 4 years off then yea i would probably consider him a top 10 great but when you're the champ and your roster looks like a cast of cartoon characters then its just not gonna work for me. Even when flair spent a year in the WWF the roster was at top notch with Hogan, Von Erich, Savage, Perfect, Lawler, Warrior and even Hart and Michaels

LMAO. Sure when HBK was champ everyone tuned into Nitro because of the nWo storyline but Shawn Michaels was the only big name besides Taker that was hanging with WCW at that point. HBK, imo, is THE best sports entertainer in the world. He could have a Great match with Mr. McMahon, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, hell even Sycho Sid. Flair was always boring in the ring tbh. I always thought Bret Hart was better then Flair.

Flair is overrated, sure I didn't grow up in the 80's but I watched alot of his stuff, his matches in the NWA with Dust, Ricky Steamboat, Harley Race, the 4-Horsmen stable, his matches in WCW. Nothing too great about him.