Tyler Black
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Post by Tyler Black on Jan 26, 2015 16:00:55 GMT -5
The biggest issue I have isn't even that Bryan was made to look like a Shmuck, it's how ing predictable this whole thing is. Lesnar vs Reigns will result in Reigns looking strong, but still not being able to win on his own. Rock will come down screw Brock, resulting in Reigns not being put over clean, and Brock vs Rock at mania 32. So reigns is gonna look like a Shmuck that couldn't get the job done on his own, which has to happen since Brock can't lose clean at mania after ending the streak. Which all could have been avoided by Having Bryan win the rumble. Bryan goes over Lesnar due to seth trying to setup a cash in, Then Reigns could have entered the tile picture around Summerslam
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Post by wyleecyotee on Jan 26, 2015 16:02:58 GMT -5
I must say I like the idea of Heyman going with Reigns at Mania. Its a take one step back and two steps forward type deal
Its the best way at the moment for Reigns to win with legitimacy, going with a new star and getting rid of the old one. It can give Reigns a mouthpiece and a way for the fans to vent their frustrations with WWE still keeping their boy on top. Have him be the bad guy for a while but build distrust with Heyman leading to the eventual pay off of Reigns turning on Heyman and being storyteller Reigns again (YAY!)... but with less storytelling... a lot less. This gives WWE their new top face of the company
Only negatives I see is WWE wont want to sacrifice Reigns big push now and Heyman has been poison to everyone hes managed lately that wasn't already established as a year round main-eventer.
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Raging Bender
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Post by Raging Bender on Jan 26, 2015 16:08:00 GMT -5
If Heyman doesn't become Reigns' spokesman, who is the next best choice aside from the Rock?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 17:42:09 GMT -5
This can still be turned into a good thing....
The main thing is that the crowd REACTED to this win and reacted in a big way.
In my opinion, this is a great time to turn Roman Reigns heel... similar to how they did with Batista. Turn Lesnar face against the authority and there you go, a main event people might care about.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 26, 2015 17:48:05 GMT -5
Have Reigns join the Authority. We will still hate him, and the majority WWE fans will hate him too. He will get the loudest reaction ever. Triple Threat at Wrestlemania: Lesnar vs Reigns vs Bryan. Have everyone think Bryan is going to do it again. The Authority and Reigns screw over Bryan, rekindling a nice long feud between Bryan and the Authority. It'll be fresh because this isn't about "Bryan, you can't replace Orton," this will be "Bryan, you have been skipped in line and Reigns is our new guy." That is a good idea but it leaves Rollins out to dry...
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Post by HVMMONS on Jan 26, 2015 23:55:14 GMT -5
While some have mixed views on Tubby Emu, does anyone agree with this?
I won't unsubscribe, because NXT. But, besides that, he makes good points.
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Post by Rob on Jan 27, 2015 1:45:56 GMT -5
The ONLY saving factor of his train wreck of a main event is if Brock DESTROYS Roman, Seth cashes in and wins the title.
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Post by 0,Y on Jan 27, 2015 6:18:47 GMT -5
I'd love it if The Rock was in Reigns corner at WrestleMania.
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Post by Brad on Jan 27, 2015 8:12:04 GMT -5
Heyman as Roman's mouthpiece could be good...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 8:15:19 GMT -5
The fact that other than Mizdow, Ambrose and Ziggler were the only people to get cheered after Bryan was eliminated really says who should really be pushed but instead we get Reigns. The crowd was ruthless but then when those two came out there was new life in them only to be taken away by the worst eliminations in WWE history Yeah lets have that stunt double guy win the Royal Rumble and dethrone Brock Lesnar.
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Post by xavion2004 on Jan 27, 2015 9:01:23 GMT -5
I think the WWE and the principles involved did a good job of damage control last night. I applaud them for acknowledging both Reigns being pushed by the company and the subsequent backlash during Reigns' interview with Saxon.
As far as the fans having a voice is concerned, i'm not sure I like what I'm seeing. Keep in mind that I go back to the territory days, so maybe I'm a little out of touch too, but there's a difference between listening to your audience and allowing the lunatics to take over the asylum. Fans voicing their opinions and "voting with their dollars" is a good thing. The underlying lynch mob mentality I'm beginning to see is not. Continuing to champion Daniel Bryan is a good thing. Harassing Roman Reigns is not. There has to be balance between our rights as fans and their rights as performers.
Whether you like Reigns, you don't like Reigns, or you fall somewhere in-between, there's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. That's the reason we have live crowds at these events and online forums in the first place. I just hope that as a collective fanbase, we don't lose sight of where to draw the line.
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 27, 2015 9:18:27 GMT -5
The fact that other than Mizdow, Ambrose and Ziggler were the only people to get cheered after Bryan was eliminated really says who should really be pushed but instead we get Reigns. The crowd was ruthless but then when those two came out there was new life in them only to be taken away by the worst eliminations in WWE history Yeah lets have that stunt double guy win the Royal Rumble and dethrone Brock Lesnar.
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Post by T R W on Jan 27, 2015 9:32:34 GMT -5
I think the WWE and the principles involved did a good job of damage control last night. I applaud them for acknowledging both Reigns being pushed by the company and the subsequent backlash during Reigns' interview with Saxon. As far as the fans having a voice is concerned, i'm not sure I like what I'm seeing. Keep in mind that I go back to the territory days, so maybe I'm a little out of touch too, but there's a difference between listening to your audience and allowing the lunatics to take over the asylum. Fans voicing their opinions and "voting with their dollars" is a good thing. The underlying lynch mob mentality I'm beginning to see is not. Continuing to champion Daniel Bryan is a good thing. Harassing Roman Reigns is not. There has to be balance between our rights as fans and their rights as performers. Whether you like Reigns, you don't like Reigns, or you fall somewhere in-between, there's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. That's the reason we have live crowds at these events and online forums in the first place. I just hope that as a collective fanbase, we don't lose sight of where to draw the line. I agree completely. I was initially pretty displeased with the Rumble results, but they handled it very well last night. RAW being cancelled might have been a blessing in disguise.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 27, 2015 10:09:41 GMT -5
One of the spam writers posted this and I think it's a good view of how some people feel about Roman Reigns.
You know…I can’t fault Roman Reigns for this. I really can’t. He’s a good looking guy. He has pedigree. He does the basic power moves well. I completely understand why WWE wants him as their guy…
…But even John Cena was tested by fire. His first televised match was against KURT F’N ANGLE. He went through an entire character shift from plucky babyface that was not working to a heel with an edge. He got in The Undertaker’s face. He won the US Title. He was battle-tested with Carlito, Edge, Eddie, Angle and Jericho. By the time he beat Big Show at WM XX, fans were READY to see him move up. By the time Cena was in the WM 21 Main Event, fans were READY to accept him as the top guy.
Roman Reigns has not been tested by fire. At all. He has made two rumble appearances, a few high-profile singles matches, a lot of tag matches and a LOT of trios matches. Reigns first real test is going to be against BROCK LESNAR. For WWE’s main title.
Are we seeing the disconnect, yet? It’s not that I don’t want Roman Reigns to succeed, but it’s almost as if WWE is blatantly sabotaging his run before it gets off the ground. This isn’t about “Daniel Bryan or we riot” – this is about logical precedence, and honestly, Vince McMahon is clearly to blame for this. He has conditioned his fans to expect his performers to be built up a certain way before they are accepted by them. Roman Reigns’ situation is by far the most transparent, ass-backwards way of pushing someone to the moon I have ever seen. Yes, EVER SEEN.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 10:57:23 GMT -5
This isn’t about “Daniel Bryan or we riot” This absolutely is that. This is a case of "We want to make the stars, we want the power, we won't cheer your self-picked company guys". Hence the "We want Rusev" chants.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 27, 2015 11:09:22 GMT -5
This isn’t about “Daniel Bryan or we riot” This absolutely is that. This is a case of "We want to make the stars, we want the power, we won't cheer your self-picked company guys". Hence the "We want Rusev" chants. The "We Want Rusev" chants came from fans who were already angry about how Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose, Dolph Ziggler and hell, even Bray Wyatt were dumped out in a lameduck fashion. The entire thing that I posted is truth, but of course we highlight just one thing. I just finished listening to Steve Austin's podcast with Wade Keller as they review the Royal Rumble. They, like a lot of people, praise Roman but agree he's not ready. Wade makes a valid point saying that the fans see it as Roman being gifted the top spot in the company, when he's done less than anyone to earn it. Think about it. Maybe Lesnar would be the only one. Bret Hart worked his ass off to the top guy. Shawn Michaels worked his ass off to the top guy. Steve Austin worked his ass off to the top guy. Triple H worked his ass off to the top guy. The Rock worked his ass off to the top guy. The Undertaker worked his ass off to the top guy. John Cena worked his ass off to the top guy. Even people that weren't the top guy, like Bryan, Ziggler, Punk, etc. all did more to earn a spot in the WrestleMania main event more than Roman. Austin mentions that a guy like Roman hasn't (part of it was the injury) been able to show that he has paid his dues. He hasn't proven himself. He had one PPV match and it wasn't that good. Again, let's understand this. I want Roman Reigns to succeed. I think Roman has loads of potential and is a guy who can be the top guy in the company in a few years. But once I believe that he's not quite ready yet, I'm wrong and should shut up and stop crying.
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Post by E-Noon on Jan 27, 2015 11:16:28 GMT -5
Also just listened to Austin's podcast. It seems everyone but the higher-ups knew this would be the result.
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 27, 2015 11:22:58 GMT -5
I think the "We Want Rusev" was equal parts the Philly crowd hoping against hope that Rusev could sneak in and beat Reigns, and the crowd doing what they could to troll WWE by spoiling the surprise of Rusev still being in the match. I loved it. Too bad he looked like a dope running in the ring and immediately getting murdered.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 11:26:21 GMT -5
This absolutely is that. This is a case of "We want to make the stars, we want the power, we won't cheer your self-picked company guys". Hence the "We want Rusev" chants. The "We Want Rusev" chants came from fans who were already angry about how Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose, Dolph Ziggler and hell, even Bray Wyatt were dumped out in a lameduck fashion. The entire thing that I posted is truth, but of course we highlight just one thing. I just finished listening to Steve Austin's podcast with Wade Keller as they review the Royal Rumble. They, like a lot of people, praise Roman but agree he's not ready. Wade makes a valid point saying that the fans see it as Roman being gifted the top spot in the company, when he's done less than anyone to earn it. Think about it. Maybe Lesnar would be the only one. Bret Hart worked his ass off to the top guy. Shawn Michaels worked his ass off to the top guy. Steve Austin worked his ass off to the top guy. Triple H worked his ass off to the top guy. The Rock worked his ass off to the top guy. The Undertaker worked his ass off to the top guy. John Cena worked his ass off to the top guy. Even people that weren't the top guy, like Bryan, Ziggler, Punk, etc. all did more to earn a spot in the WrestleMania main event more than Roman. Austin mentions that a guy like Roman hasn't (part of it was the injury) been able to show that he has paid his dues. He hasn't proven himself. He had one PPV match and it wasn't that good. Again, let's understand this. I want Roman Reigns to succeed. I think Roman has loads of potential and is a guy who can be the top guy in the company in a few years. But once I believe that he's not quite ready yet, I'm wrong and should shut up and stop crying. The chants were because the fans were desperate not to have a guy picked by the machine to be at the top. Rusev has done far less than Roman, but the smarks were chanting for him over Roman simply because they wanted a hand in the outcome. Plenty of the all-time greats got to the title with less credibility and with less time spent in the company than Roman. Yokozuna had 1 PPV singles match against Virgil before winning the Royal Rumble and then going over the face of the company at WM9. Hogan won the title 4 weeks after his return to the WWF in 1983 (He'd spent around a year there previously, but only under VMS ownership). Kevin Nash is particularly comparable to Roman, he was an active wrestler for about 10 months before he got the title, his build included dominating a Royal Rumble and eliminating a ton of guys in a Survivor Series match.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 27, 2015 11:29:59 GMT -5
The "We Want Rusev" chants came from fans who were already angry about how Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose, Dolph Ziggler and hell, even Bray Wyatt were dumped out in a lameduck fashion. The entire thing that I posted is truth, but of course we highlight just one thing. I just finished listening to Steve Austin's podcast with Wade Keller as they review the Royal Rumble. They, like a lot of people, praise Roman but agree he's not ready. Wade makes a valid point saying that the fans see it as Roman being gifted the top spot in the company, when he's done less than anyone to earn it. Think about it. Maybe Lesnar would be the only one. Bret Hart worked his ass off to the top guy. Shawn Michaels worked his ass off to the top guy. Steve Austin worked his ass off to the top guy. Triple H worked his ass off to the top guy. The Rock worked his ass off to the top guy. The Undertaker worked his ass off to the top guy. John Cena worked his ass off to the top guy. Even people that weren't the top guy, like Bryan, Ziggler, Punk, etc. all did more to earn a spot in the WrestleMania main event more than Roman. Austin mentions that a guy like Roman hasn't (part of it was the injury) been able to show that he has paid his dues. He hasn't proven himself. He had one PPV match and it wasn't that good. Again, let's understand this. I want Roman Reigns to succeed. I think Roman has loads of potential and is a guy who can be the top guy in the company in a few years. But once I believe that he's not quite ready yet, I'm wrong and should shut up and stop crying. The chants were because the fans were desperate not to have a guy picked by the machine to be at the top. Rusev has done far less than Roman, but the smarks were chanting for him over Roman simply because they wanted a hand in the outcome. Plenty of the all-time greats got to the title with less credibility and with less time spent in the company than Roman. Yokozuna had 1 PPV singles match against Virgil before winning the Royal Rumble and then going over the face of the company at WM9. Hogan won the title 4 weeks after his return to the WWF in 1983 (He'd spent around a year there previously, but only under VMS ownership). Kevin Nash is particularly comparable to Roman, he was an active wrestler for about 10 months before he got the title, his build included dominating a Royal Rumble and eliminating a ton of guys in a Survivor Series match. Well, Rusev has had more singles matches than Roman and been more impressive in the ring but yes, he would have been a bad choice. The fans were angry and just reaction. Let's stop being smarks who call other fans smarks please. Yokozuna was never built to be the guy like Roman is. He went over the Champion at WM9, only to lose it instantly to Hogan. He won it back but dropped it to teh face of the company. Just like CM Punk, who had a 434 day reign but was never the guy. Invalid. Hogan did this in 1983. Things were way different back then. Kevin Nash is similar, I will admit. However, he did win the IC Title and had a particularly memorable match against Bret Hart at the King of the Ring. Which is more than Roman. Also, Diesel's year as Champion was terrible financially. I do appreciate that this was an actual response and not the generic "you're just a fan who is upset about his darlings" crap that a lot of us get for no reason.
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