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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 14, 2014 23:17:14 GMT -5
Fans care about winning and losing. Ambrose's character may not, but fans do and the constant loosing will hurt his momentum one way or another. He went 0-4 against Rollins. Now he had gone 0-2 against Wyatt. And with roman returning, Rollins occupied with reigns and Orton, and Wyatt seemingly moving on to taker, it leaves ambrose with really nowhere to go. It won't hurt his momentum at all. He's lost a lot, sure, but he still gets great reactions when he comes out. Why? Because of his character. And what happens to every up and comer who loses a lot? They lose momentum and interest from the fans. Wyatt is a perfect example of this after his cena feud, and he was atleast given a tainted cage win against Cena. Ambrose hasn't gotten a win, and seems to be heading where bray was after ending his feud with cena. The Internet fans will remain behind dean, but if he keeps loosing, what reason do the casual and mass audience have to stay behind him when the wwe portrays Romans and Seth as far superior to him.
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Post by SodaGuy on Dec 14, 2014 23:17:42 GMT -5
Yeah. It's perfectly okay that one of the most over guys hasn't won a pay-per-view match since Payback.. when the Shield was still together and has been on the losing end of his two big feuds since the sheild broke-up (Rollins & Wyatt). That's sarcasm btw. Obviously. There's kind of a big difference in the Shield characters if you haven't noticed. Ambrose, if you haven't watched WWE at all, doesn't need wins to get over. Reigns and Rollins do. I suggest watching the product before making idiotic statements. I do watch the product. It doesn't change the fact that Ambrose losing month after month after month after month and never coming out on the winning end of his storylines will make people stop caring about him. I'm sure that's an idiotic statement though because I'm sure people who like Dean are all "I HOPE HE NEVER WINS!". Oh. No. They're not because I'm one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:18:58 GMT -5
It won't hurt his momentum at all. He's lost a lot, sure, but he still gets great reactions when he comes out. Why? Because of his character. And what happens to every up and comer who loses a lot? They lose momentum and interest from the fans. Wyatt is a perfect example of this after his cena feud, and he was atleast given a tainted cage win against Cena. Ambrose hasn't gotten a win, and seems to be heading where bray was after ending his feud with cena. The Internet fans will remain behind dean, but if he keeps loosing, what reason do the casual and mass audience have to stay behind him when the wwe portrays Romans and Seth as far superior to him. I don't think you've been watching Dean's character. He doesn't need to win to keep his momentum. Losing because of a reckless mistake (regardless of the absurdity of it) is something his character is kind of prone to. He lost twice vs Rollins, neither of which was clean, and made a mistake tonight. Kayfabe wise, he looked as strong as ever, albeit a bit too reckless. It won't hurt him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:20:43 GMT -5
Obviously. There's kind of a big difference in the Shield characters if you haven't noticed. Ambrose, if you haven't watched WWE at all, doesn't need wins to get over. Reigns and Rollins do. I suggest watching the product before making idiotic statements. I do watch the product. It doesn't change the fact that Ambrose losing month after month after month after month and never coming out on the winning end of his storylines will make people stop caring about him. I'm sure that's an idiotic statement though because I'm sure people who like Dean are all "I HOPE HE NEVER WINS!". Oh. No. They're not because I'm one of them. Sigh. You sure you watch the product? He's lost to Rollins every time, but never clean. His first ppv loss in months that wasn't because of interference, tonight, his reckless nature got the best of him. Regardless of the absurdity of the spot, it still worked. It doesn't hurt his momentum. I'm awfully sorry you have such a hard time understanding basic characters and booking. Run along now.
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Post by HVMMONS on Dec 14, 2014 23:21:40 GMT -5
NXT > TLC. Nice effort, main roster. That is sad, though. The DEVELOPMENTAL brand's PPV was beyond better than the MAIN ROSTER'S PPV. Hmmmm...
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Post by Hulk Who? on Dec 14, 2014 23:22:17 GMT -5
That post show was like an on air production argument playing out live. That and Michael Cole throwing himself out of his chair were the most memorable parts for me, I'd like to see that gif, it seemed like an eternity between Rollins going over the table and Cole reacting. I thought I saw him put the cap back on a pen first, I might be lying or imagining that though. lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:22:34 GMT -5
I do watch the product. It doesn't change the fact that Ambrose losing month after month after month after month and never coming out on the winning end of his storylines will make people stop caring about him. I'm sure that's an idiotic statement though because I'm sure people who like Dean are all "I HOPE HE NEVER WINS!". Oh. No. They're not because I'm one of them. Sigh. You sure you watch the product? He's lost to Rollins every time, but never clean. His first ppv loss in months that wasn't because of interference, tonight, his reckless nature got the best of him. Regardless of the absurdity of the spot, it still worked. It doesn't hurt his momentum. I'm awfully sorry you have such a hard time understanding basic characters and booking. Run along now. You're abit of a douchesnozzle aren't you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:23:57 GMT -5
Sigh. You sure you watch the product? He's lost to Rollins every time, but never clean. His first ppv loss in months that wasn't because of interference, tonight, his reckless nature got the best of him. Regardless of the absurdity of the spot, it still worked. It doesn't hurt his momentum. I'm awfully sorry you have such a hard time understanding basic characters and booking. Run along now. You're abit of a douchesnozzle aren't you? I was going to respond, but I'm distracted by your sig.
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Post by Planktung on Dec 14, 2014 23:24:27 GMT -5
NXT > TLC. Nice effort, main roster. That is sad, though. The DEVELOPMENTAL brand's PPV was beyond better than the MAIN ROSTER'S PPV. Hmmmm... It's insulting to call NXT "developmental" at this point. I know that by definition, it is the developmental brand, but seriously. NXT > main roster in EVERY department right now.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Dec 14, 2014 23:26:32 GMT -5
Ambrose doesn't need to win every match to be over but c'mon now the guy hasn't won on PPV since Payback. I think he needed this win much more than Bray tbh. Bray has wins over Cena, Bryan, Kane, Reigns, Jericho etc while Ambrose has been losing on PPV and on TV to guys like Rollins, Orton and Kane.
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Post by HVMMONS on Dec 14, 2014 23:27:19 GMT -5
NXT > TLC. Nice effort, main roster. That is sad, though. The DEVELOPMENTAL brand's PPV was beyond better than the MAIN ROSTER'S PPV. Hmmmm... It's insulting to call NXT "developmental" at this point. I know that by definition, it is the developmental brand, but seriously. NXT > main roster in EVERY department right now. Right. But, it's still developmental regardless of how good the product is. NXT will always be better than the main roster if this steady line of BS continues through Raw, and Smackdown.
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Post by facemeat on Dec 14, 2014 23:27:33 GMT -5
That post show was like an on air production argument playing out live. That and Michael Cole throwing himself out of his chair were the most memorable parts for me, I'd like to see that gif, it seemed like an eternity between Rollins going over the table and Cole reacting. I thought I saw him put the cap back on a pen first, I might be lying or imagining that though. lol
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Post by slappy on Dec 14, 2014 23:27:59 GMT -5
This was a PPV that happened.
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Post by SodaGuy on Dec 14, 2014 23:29:18 GMT -5
I do watch the product. It doesn't change the fact that Ambrose losing month after month after month after month and never coming out on the winning end of his storylines will make people stop caring about him. I'm sure that's an idiotic statement though because I'm sure people who like Dean are all "I HOPE HE NEVER WINS!". Oh. No. They're not because I'm one of them. Sigh. You sure you watch the product? He's lost to Rollins every time, but never clean. His first ppv loss in months that wasn't because of interference, tonight, his reckless nature got the best of him. Regardless of the absurdity of the spot, it still worked. It doesn't hurt his momentum. I'm awfully sorry you have such a hard time understanding basic characters and booking. Run along now. You seem to have a hard time understanding basic human interaction. You don't have to be a complete douche to someone who doesn't agree with your ideas and opinions. It's people like you who keep me from posting in these threads. It's amazing that there is a group of people in these threads that can have fun then people like you who want to be a complete jerk for no reason. Grow up dude.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:30:58 GMT -5
Sigh. You sure you watch the product? He's lost to Rollins every time, but never clean. His first ppv loss in months that wasn't because of interference, tonight, his reckless nature got the best of him. Regardless of the absurdity of the spot, it still worked. It doesn't hurt his momentum. I'm awfully sorry you have such a hard time understanding basic characters and booking. Run along now. You seem to have a hard time understanding basic human interaction. You don't have to be a complete douche to someone who doesn't agree with your ideas and opinions. It's people like you who keep me from posting in these threads. It's amazing that there is a group of people in these threads that can have fun then people like you who want to be a complete jerk for no reason. Grow up dude.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Dec 14, 2014 23:32:27 GMT -5
That post show was like an on air production argument playing out live. That and Michael Cole throwing himself out of his chair were the most memorable parts for me, I'd like to see that gif, it seemed like an eternity between Rollins going over the table and Cole reacting. I thought I saw him put the cap back on a pen first, I might be lying or imagining that though. lol Oh no! I was half right, he finished removing his headset first and no contact was made with him. Fantastic, thank you sir.
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Post by facemeat on Dec 14, 2014 23:35:50 GMT -5
Oh no! I was half right, he finished removing his headset first and no contact was made with him. Fantastic, thank you sir. And thank you for making this even funnier for me...I somehow didn't even notice him removing his headset until you mentioned it.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 14, 2014 23:42:24 GMT -5
Where's that "who books this crap" gif when you need it?
The opener was awesome and glad Ziggler is champ again but what the hell was the rest of that sh*t...
The show progressively sucked the life out of the audience. To the point where when they got something good again they couldn't care less. I wasn't wowed by Ambrose vs Bray but it kept me mostly entertained. The finish was hysterical though.
Just bad imo.
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Post by PJ on Dec 14, 2014 23:43:46 GMT -5
Oh no! I was half right, he finished removing his headset first and no contact was made with him. Fantastic, thank you sir. I don't know one could make the argument that while he was removing his headset to get out of the way Rollins landed/rolled up on his left leg causing him to fall off his chair. But I will agree it didn't look that natural/smooth. lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 23:50:27 GMT -5
Im staying postive tonight didnt care for the finish or rollins losing,but i did enjoy the ppv for the most part.I'll leave it at that.Bring on the rumble!!!
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