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Post by Gazza on Oct 20, 2014 3:08:58 GMT -5
Even if he did, he won't be the first wrestler to pick an ending or have a say in booking and he won't be the last. People just like to use it as an excuse to hate Cena when most top guys will have or have had a say in booking. What do other top stars have to do with this conversation? We were specifically talking about Cena. As for other top stars, I haven't seen anyone known for using their clout for booking be given a free pass. Hogan is the master at it. HBK and HHH are right behind him. Hell even darlings like Austin and Taker were known for using their power to book matches. The only top stars I have never really heard any stories about using power to change bookings were Rocky, Foley, and Kane (Bret is right behind them if not for the Montreal incident). Cena isn't getting any extra hate for it. It is just one of many reasons why people can't stand Cena or his character. But he does get extra hate for it. So does HHH. People bitch and moan about Cena and the stuff he does like he's the first one to ever do it. Cena is just like every other top face, but you don't see constant posts bitching about them.
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Post by RybackV1 on Oct 20, 2014 11:38:53 GMT -5
He's the only guy on the roster that is legitimately a monster. I love him and I love his promos. I feel like we should be thankful. It's pro wrestling, you can build monsters. Why should we be thankful? Because we only have to see him three times a year? He can take his pre recorded promos and lazy ass back to Minnesota. You can say whatever you like about how Brock Lesnar doesn't deserve to be the WWE Champion, but he has the best matches on every single card he's on and sided with Paul Heyman makes him that much better. Brock Lesnar is the best thing going in the WWE today and if he truly gave absolutely no s about wrestling and didn't deserve it that wouldn't be the case. He does his job, which is being the beast, he does it well. No reasons to complain about him to be honest. Paul Heyman is the best thing about Brock Lesnar, they should just give the belt to Heyman, he'd be a better champ. There are a ton of reasons to complain about him, most of which have already been stated, he has done nothing to earn what he's been handed. I don't see him moving network numbers either, so that 5 million is real well spent. Personally I think he's one of the greatest in ring talents of all time. Certainly in the top 10 anyways. That's just being delusional. You don't like Lesnar. We get it and that's cool. Some of us do. Its also clear why the WWE pushes him the way they do. Not only does he play the heel role better than anybody the WWE currently has, but he has mass appeal. I'm a big Dolph Ziggler fan. I think he's the most misused talent in the WWE and deserves to be booked better. However, he doesn't have the mass appeal and drawing power of Lesnar. People buy Lesnar as a legitimate monster of a man and his rare appearances help build the intrigue people have with him. I like Lesnar, and I agree with Chip. How does he play a heel better than anyone? He's never around, and when he is Paul Heyman does all the work. I think you meant to say Heyman is a better heel than everyone on the roster, because without him, Lesnar wouldn't be any where near the position he's in now. Dolph doesn't have the drawing power because he's booked like garbage, it's pro wrestling. You can make anyone a monster or a draw as long as they have some charisma. If Lesnar was booked like Dolph he wouldn't be a draw either. So far, I've seen nothing to prove his random appearances do anything to hype up fans more than him showing up every week. If he can only stay over/be an attraction by showing up three times a year, then he's not really a star. Lmfao Lesnar dosent care about wrestling ..? Yeh. He just does it for the of it. Money talks, if they payed him a normal salary, you wouldn't see Brock Lesnar in WWE. To quote Tyson Kidd, FACT. Lesnar has an estimated net worth of about $16 MILLION I don't think he's worried about money. He didn't HAVE to come back and certainly didn't NEED the payday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 11:53:30 GMT -5
The better incarnation of Lesnar is young, amateur wrestler. Lesnar has the tools to be great, but he needs to be given a better chance of showing what he can do.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 20, 2014 13:12:33 GMT -5
It's pro wrestling, you can build monsters. Why should we be thankful? Because we only have to see him three times a year? He can take his pre recorded promos and lazy ass back to Minnesota. Paul Heyman is the best thing about Brock Lesnar, they should just give the belt to Heyman, he'd be a better champ. There are a ton of reasons to complain about him, most of which have already been stated, he has done nothing to earn what he's been handed. I don't see him moving network numbers either, so that 5 million is real well spent. That's just being delusional. I like Lesnar, and I agree with Chip. How does he play a heel better than anyone? He's never around, and when he is Paul Heyman does all the work. I think you meant to say Heyman is a better heel than everyone on the roster, because without him, Lesnar wouldn't be any where near the position he's in now. Dolph doesn't have the drawing power because he's booked like garbage, it's pro wrestling. You can make anyone a monster or a draw as long as they have some charisma. If Lesnar was booked like Dolph he wouldn't be a draw either. So far, I've seen nothing to prove his random appearances do anything to hype up fans more than him showing up every week. If he can only stay over/be an attraction by showing up three times a year, then he's not really a star. Money talks, if they payed him a normal salary, you wouldn't see Brock Lesnar in WWE. To quote Tyson Kidd, FACT. Lesnar has an estimated net worth of about $16 MILLION I don't think he's worried about money. He didn't HAVE to come back and certainly didn't NEED the payday. But that is why he's back, whether he needs money or not every body wants more.
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Post by RybackV1 on Oct 20, 2014 13:15:55 GMT -5
Lesnar has an estimated net worth of about $16 MILLION I don't think he's worried about money. He didn't HAVE to come back and certainly didn't NEED the payday. But that is why he's back, whether he needs money or not every body wants more. I think he trulycares about wrestling deep down otherwise he wouldn't of shown his face again. But Brock's personality is so hardened that I've personally never heard him say he's cared about ANYTHING. WWE, NFL, UFC, he'll even Sable. He's just the kinda dude that dosent let one single emotion show. That's my take.
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Post by Chip on Oct 20, 2014 13:18:20 GMT -5
It's pro wrestling, you can build monsters. Why should we be thankful? Because we only have to see him three times a year? He can take his pre recorded promos and lazy ass back to Minnesota. Paul Heyman is the best thing about Brock Lesnar, they should just give the belt to Heyman, he'd be a better champ. There are a ton of reasons to complain about him, most of which have already been stated, he has done nothing to earn what he's been handed. I don't see him moving network numbers either, so that 5 million is real well spent. I like Lesnar, and I agree with Chip. How does he play a heel better than anyone? He's never around, and when he is Paul Heyman does all the work. I think you meant to say Heyman is a better heel than everyone on the roster, because without him, Lesnar wouldn't be any where near the position he's in now. Dolph doesn't have the drawing power because he's booked like garbage, it's pro wrestling. You can make anyone a monster or a draw as long as they have some charisma. If Lesnar was booked like Dolph he wouldn't be a draw either. So far, I've seen nothing to prove his random appearances do anything to hype up fans more than him showing up every week. If he can only stay over/be an attraction by showing up three times a year, then he's not really a star. Money talks, if they payed him a normal salary, you wouldn't see Brock Lesnar in WWE. To quote Tyson Kidd, FACT. ing bravo on this one. nailed it.
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Post by J12 on Oct 20, 2014 13:20:08 GMT -5
I love Brock Lesnar. He's the only only guy in the company that can be sold as legitimate and be believable. He's a monster. He's wildly entertaining. His partnership with Paul Heyman makes him must see every single time he's on television.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 15:28:17 GMT -5
The better incarnation of Lesnar is young, amateur wrestler. Lesnar has the tools to be great, but he needs to be given a better chance of showing what he can do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 15:34:50 GMT -5
The better incarnation of Lesnar is young, amateur wrestler. Lesnar has the tools to be great, but he needs to be given a better chance of showing what he can do.He's a fantastic wrestler. He's just booked as a dominant monster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 15:58:20 GMT -5
He's a fantastic wrestler. He's just booked as a dominant monster. Again. How does the fact that he's booked as a monster change his wrestling abilities? You're talking about him as if he's some 22 year old down in NXT. Brock is great as the asskicker and as the Next Big Thing.
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Post by k5 on Oct 20, 2014 15:59:56 GMT -5
he's a beast, and an awesome champion. wasn't too happy with how they booked cena's come back only a month after summerslam, i'd rather they had held it off for longer and had lesnar remain as strong looking as he did when first winning the belt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 16:02:27 GMT -5
He's a fantastic wrestler. He's just booked as a dominant monster. Again. How does the fact that he's booked as a monster change his wrestling abilities? You're talking about him as if he's some 22 year old down in NXT. Brock is great as the asskicker and as the Next Big Thing. His job in the ring is to suplex, punch, F5 and leave. Back in 2003, he got to put on actual competitive matches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 16:05:16 GMT -5
Again. How does the fact that he's booked as a monster change his wrestling abilities? You're talking about him as if he's some 22 year old down in NXT. Brock is great as the asskicker and as the Next Big Thing. His job in the ring is to suplex, punch, F5 and leave. Back in 2003, he got to put on actual competitive matches. Being good doesn't just mean being able to do a lot of moves. During the Summerslam match he showed how good he was with the story told during the match. It's cool to see a wrestler pull out awesome moves but if it's just a spotfest the whole match wouldn't be near as great.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 17:25:11 GMT -5
I like him more now than I ever did and I've always been a fan.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 20, 2014 20:14:38 GMT -5
He's the only guy on the roster that is legitimately a monster. I love him and I love his promos. I feel like we should be thankful. It's pro wrestling, you can build monsters. Why should we be thankful? Because we only have to see him three times a year? He can take his pre recorded promos and lazy ass back to Minnesota. You can say whatever you like about how Brock Lesnar doesn't deserve to be the WWE Champion, but he has the best matches on every single card he's on and sided with Paul Heyman makes him that much better. Brock Lesnar is the best thing going in the WWE today and if he truly gave absolutely no s about wrestling and didn't deserve it that wouldn't be the case. He does his job, which is being the beast, he does it well. No reasons to complain about him to be honest. Paul Heyman is the best thing about Brock Lesnar, they should just give the belt to Heyman, he'd be a better champ. There are a ton of reasons to complain about him, most of which have already been stated, he has done nothing to earn what he's been handed. I don't see him moving network numbers either, so that 5 million is real well spent. Personally I think he's one of the greatest in ring talents of all time. Certainly in the top 10 anyways. That's just being delusional. You don't like Lesnar. We get it and that's cool. Some of us do. Its also clear why the WWE pushes him the way they do. Not only does he play the heel role better than anybody the WWE currently has, but he has mass appeal. I'm a big Dolph Ziggler fan. I think he's the most misused talent in the WWE and deserves to be booked better. However, he doesn't have the mass appeal and drawing power of Lesnar. People buy Lesnar as a legitimate monster of a man and his rare appearances help build the intrigue people have with him. I like Lesnar, and I agree with Chip. How does he play a heel better than anyone? He's never around, and when he is Paul Heyman does all the work. I think you meant to say Heyman is a better heel than everyone on the roster, because without him, Lesnar wouldn't be any where near the position he's in now. Dolph doesn't have the drawing power because he's booked like garbage, it's pro wrestling. You can make anyone a monster or a draw as long as they have some charisma. If Lesnar was booked like Dolph he wouldn't be a draw either. So far, I've seen nothing to prove his random appearances do anything to hype up fans more than him showing up every week. If he can only stay over/be an attraction by showing up three times a year, then he's not really a star. Lmfao Lesnar dosent care about wrestling ..? Yeh. He just does it for the of it. Money talks, if they payed him a normal salary, you wouldn't see Brock Lesnar in WWE. To quote Tyson Kidd, FACT. No I meant Brock is a better heel than anyone currently on the roster. Watch his promos during his "Real Brock Lesnar" gimmick. Watch his promos during his initial return in 2012 against Cena. Lesnar may not be a Rock, Austin, HBK, Savage, etc... on the mic but he can give a damn good promo when needed and is underrated on the mic. Heyman is a great talker but he doesn't make everyone he touches gold. Cesaro, Ryback, and Axel would be top stars if he did. Heyman can only do so much for a performer, and Lesnar has proven he deserves the top heel spot currently.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 20, 2014 20:17:42 GMT -5
It's pro wrestling, you can build monsters. Why should we be thankful? Because we only have to see him three times a year? He can take his pre recorded promos and lazy ass back to Minnesota. Paul Heyman is the best thing about Brock Lesnar, they should just give the belt to Heyman, he'd be a better champ. There are a ton of reasons to complain about him, most of which have already been stated, he has done nothing to earn what he's been handed. I don't see him moving network numbers either, so that 5 million is real well spent. That's just being delusional. I like Lesnar, and I agree with Chip. How does he play a heel better than anyone? He's never around, and when he is Paul Heyman does all the work. I think you meant to say Heyman is a better heel than everyone on the roster, because without him, Lesnar wouldn't be any where near the position he's in now. Dolph doesn't have the drawing power because he's booked like garbage, it's pro wrestling. You can make anyone a monster or a draw as long as they have some charisma. If Lesnar was booked like Dolph he wouldn't be a draw either. So far, I've seen nothing to prove his random appearances do anything to hype up fans more than him showing up every week. If he can only stay over/be an attraction by showing up three times a year, then he's not really a star. Money talks, if they payed him a normal salary, you wouldn't see Brock Lesnar in WWE. To quote Tyson Kidd, FACT. No I meant Brock is a better heel than anyone currently on the roster. Watch his promos during his "Real Brock Lesnar" gimmick. Watch his promos during his initial return in 2012 against Cena. Lesnar may not be a Rock, Austin, HBK, Savage, etc... on the mic but he can give a damn good promo when needed and is underrated on the mic. Heyman is a great talker but he doesn't make everyone he touches gold. Cesaro, Ryback, and Axel would be top stars if he did. Heyman can only do so much for a performer, and Lesnar has proven he deserves the top heel spot currently. I never said Heyman can make anyone a star by standing next to them, I said he does all the work for Lesnar. If he could swear and just let loose during his PRE recorded promos, he'd go out those and crap the bed, like he did before Heyman returned. I don't agree he deserves a top heel spot at all, hell, I'd give it to Orton over him and I find him bland as can be.
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Oct 21, 2014 7:58:35 GMT -5
He's the best thing on the main even scene right now. If I didn't have the network, I wouldn't pay to watch Cena and Orton at HIAC, but I'd pay to watch lesnar squash them both in a handicap match on Sunday Night Heat.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Oct 21, 2014 11:01:56 GMT -5
He's amazing.
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Post by RybackV1 on Oct 21, 2014 15:07:17 GMT -5
Watching the top 100 moments in Raw history. Here's a quote from lesnar himself on exactly why he returned
"I came back because I didn't want to be one of those old guys sitting In the nursing home thinking coulda woulda shoulda "
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Post by Dan on Oct 22, 2014 10:47:55 GMT -5
The difference is, during his first run he was billed as 'The next big thing', and we were constantly reminded of his NCAA Amateur Wrestling background which was reflected in his Matches. He's no longer that same guy. He's an accomplished, experienced, legit ass kicker, therefore he needs to portray that in his moveset in this day and age. It's legitimate.
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