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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 4:14:27 GMT -5
This idea that there's even such a thing as the IWC anymore really needs to be retired. It's 2014. My five-year-old knows how to use an iPad and can operate the WWE Network app. Virtually every wrestling fan uses the internet for several hours a day. Not every wrestling fan with internet access comes to places like this to talk about the inner workings of the wrestling business, who deserves to be pushed, etc. I'm sure your child isn't discussing workrate on a message board.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 24, 2014 4:36:33 GMT -5
This idea that there's even such a thing as the IWC anymore really needs to be retired. It's 2014. My five-year-old knows how to use an iPad and can operate the WWE Network app. Virtually every wrestling fan uses the internet for several hours a day. Not every wrestling fan with internet access comes to places like this to talk about the inner workings of the wrestling business, who deserves to be pushed, etc. I'm sure your child isn't discussing workrate on a message board. How god damn insulting. My son has bled ROH red and black since day one.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 24, 2014 15:43:06 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler. He's a great talker. Lol. Already covered here: wfigs.proboards.com/post/6556918/threadIf someone says, for example, "The Phoenix crowd loved Steve Austin" does that mean that every single person in that crowd loved Steve Austin? No. It means enough people there made enough noise to create the impression "the Phoenix crowd loves Steve Austin." And wrestling forums are the same thing -- there are enough people that have the same opinions to create the impression that "the IWC thinks such and such." The funny thing is you're aware of that fact, as is evidenced by you referencing IWC darling Dolph Ziggler so you are aware some wrestlers are popular amongst what is considered the IWC. There's no sense getting upset about the term itself, or the opinions that are attached to it. People who do go along with the IWC consensus use the term IWC (for example, "hooray finally WWE is listening to the IWC!" and "boo WWE hates the IWC!") and people who don't go along with the IWC consensus use the term. I'm not a fan of the term either because it's a term that should be all-encompassing but usually only refers to one particular section of itself, I'd much rather use "people on the Internet who just go along with the majority opinion on the Internet and complain when WWE doesn't book the product for them" (POTIWJGAWTMOOTIACWWWEDBTPFT) for example, but what good would that do? It's way more letters to remember and type. Everybody already knows exactly the kind of opinions that are being referred to when someone says "IWC." You and I can dislike the term as much as we want to, but we can't change it. I'm expending enough energy trying to get people to stop misusing/misunderstanding the word "headscan." A mission that's equally as doomed.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Sept 24, 2014 23:30:53 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler. He's a great talker. Lol. Already covered here: wfigs.proboards.com/post/6556918/threadIf someone says, for example, "The Phoenix crowd loved Steve Austin" does that mean that every single person in that crowd loved Steve Austin? No. It means enough people there made enough noise to create the impression "the Phoenix crowd loves Steve Austin." And wrestling forums are the same thing -- there are enough people that have the same opinions to create the impression that "the IWC thinks such and such." The funny thing is you're aware of that fact, as is evidenced by you referencing IWC darling Dolph Ziggler so you are aware some wrestlers are popular amongst what is considered the IWC. There's no sense getting upset about the term itself, or the opinions that are attached to it. People who do go along with the IWC consensus use the term IWC (for example, "hooray finally WWE is listening to the IWC!" and "boo WWE hates the IWC!") and people who don't go along with the IWC consensus use the term. I'm not a fan of the term either because it's a term that should be all-encompassing but usually only refers to one particular section of itself, I'd much rather use "people on the Internet who just go along with the majority opinion on the Internet and complain when WWE doesn't book the product for them" (POTIWJGAWTMOOTIACWWWEDBTPFT) for example, but what good would that do? It's way more letters to remember and type. Everybody already knows exactly the kind of opinions that are being referred to when someone says "IWC." You and I can dislike the term as much as we want to, but we can't change it. I'm expending enough energy trying to get people to stop misusing/misunderstanding the word "headscan." A mission that's equally as doomed. I love this post. Also, you just gave a perfect example why the IWC doesn't run the wrestling industry. Had the IWC ran daily operations of the WWE, they would destroy what they loved to watch. Give me flack for that statement. I am not going to care because you aren't cooking my damn food or even paying me for that matter to care.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 23:34:03 GMT -5
I don't think you need to be an indy darling to get the IWC behind you, you just need that "IT" factor. Bryan has IT, Ziggler has IT (IT can also mean a lot of injuries here), Punk had IT and now Ambrose has IT. Ziggler wasn't an indy darling. Times are certainly changing and I think the IWC plays a bigger role than it ever has, but guys are going to be pushed regardless of whether or not the IWC is behind them.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Sept 24, 2014 23:53:12 GMT -5
I don't think you need to be an indy darling to get the IWC behind you, you just need that "IT" factor. Bryan has IT, Ziggler has IT (IT can also mean a lot of injuries here), Punk had IT and now Ambrose has IT. Ziggler wasn't an indy darling. Times are certainly changing and I think the IWC plays a bigger role than it ever has, but guys are going to be pushed regardless of whether or not the IWC is behind them. I am calling complete shens on this post. People can say they have that "it" factor and not realize the faults in the performers. CM Punk was one of the most overrated guys in the indy circuit. From 2002-2005, almost every single person on these wrestling forums claimed CM Punk was a god and it was CM Punk is this, CM Punk is that. Look hot long it took him to find his niche in the WWE. With Daniel Bryan, the whole "Yes" Movement allowed him to find his niche. The WWE would push they guys they want to push. The IWC had little to no affect how the WWE thinks long-term. JFTR, most of the fans of the indy scene are members of the IWC. You would be hard pressed to find a casual wrestling fan who loves and follow the indy scene.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 23:55:46 GMT -5
I don't think you need to be an indy darling to get the IWC behind you, you just need that "IT" factor. Bryan has IT, Ziggler has IT (IT can also mean a lot of injuries here), Punk had IT and now Ambrose has IT. Ziggler wasn't an indy darling. Times are certainly changing and I think the IWC plays a bigger role than it ever has, but guys are going to be pushed regardless of whether or not the IWC is behind them. I am calling complete shens on this post. People can say they have that "it" factor and not realize the faults in the performers. CM Punk was one of the most overrated guys in the indy circuit. From 2002-2005, almost every single person on these wrestling forums claimed CM Punk was a god and it was CM Punk is this, CM Punk is that. Look hot long it took him to find his niche in the WWE. With Daniel Bryan, the whole "Yes" Movement allowed him to find his niche. The WWE would push they guys they want to push. The IWC had little to no affect how the WWE thinks long-term. JFTR, most of the fans of the indy scene are members of the IWC. You would be hard pressed to find a casual wrestling fan who loves and follow the indy scene. Call it whatever you want. I'm not a HUGE fan of CM Punk by any means, but he had the IT factor. So did Bryan. If a guy has IT he will get over with a casual audience as well as the IWC. However, I do belive thanks to the extreme rise of Social Media, the IWC has a bigger influence than ever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a big influence by any means, but rather bigger than it ever has been, two completely different things. If that weren't true, Ryder would've never gotten the push, regardless of how brief it was.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 25, 2014 0:12:06 GMT -5
I don't think you need to be an indy darling to get the IWC behind you, you just need that "IT" factor. Bryan has IT, Ziggler has IT (IT can also mean a lot of injuries here), Punk had IT and now Ambrose has IT. Ziggler wasn't an indy darling. Times are certainly changing and I think the IWC plays a bigger role than it ever has, but guys are going to be pushed regardless of whether or not the IWC is behind them. I am calling complete shens on this post. People can say they have that "it" factor and not realize the faults in the performers. CM Punk was one of the most overrated guys in the indy circuit. From 2002-2005, almost every single person on these wrestling forums claimed CM Punk was a god and it was CM Punk is this, CM Punk is that. Look hot long it took him to find his niche in the WWE. With Daniel Bryan, the whole "Yes" Movement allowed him to find his niche. The WWE would push they guys they want to push. The IWC had little to no affect how the WWE thinks long-term. JFTR, most of the fans of the indy scene are members of the IWC. You would be hard pressed to find a casual wrestling fan who loves and follow the indy scene. Cause it was his fault WWE booked him like garbage till the Jeff Hardy feud... And the Daniel Bryan situation, he was getting pretty over during his WHC run, I think he would have been fine if he didn't continue the YES chants.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 0:39:32 GMT -5
I am calling complete shens on this post. People can say they have that "it" factor and not realize the faults in the performers. CM Punk was one of the most overrated guys in the indy circuit. From 2002-2005, almost every single person on these wrestling forums claimed CM Punk was a god and it was CM Punk is this, CM Punk is that. Look hot long it took him to find his niche in the WWE. With Daniel Bryan, the whole "Yes" Movement allowed him to find his niche. The WWE would push they guys they want to push. The IWC had little to no affect how the WWE thinks long-term. JFTR, most of the fans of the indy scene are members of the IWC. You would be hard pressed to find a casual wrestling fan who loves and follow the indy scene. Cause it was his fault WWE booked him like garbage till the Jeff Hardy feud... And the Daniel Bryan situation, he was getting pretty over during his WHC run, I think he would have been fine if he didn't continue the YES chants. This, Bryan would've been fine. He was over before the YES chants, and will be when he returns. He got struck by a serious injury bug, but he'll be as over, if not more, when he returns.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 25, 2014 10:43:33 GMT -5
I am calling complete shens on this post. People can say they have that "it" factor and not realize the faults in the performers. CM Punk was one of the most overrated guys in the indy circuit. From 2002-2005, almost every single person on these wrestling forums claimed CM Punk was a god and it was CM Punk is this, CM Punk is that. Look hot long it took him to find his niche in the WWE. With Daniel Bryan, the whole "Yes" Movement allowed him to find his niche. The WWE would push they guys they want to push. The IWC had little to no affect how the WWE thinks long-term. JFTR, most of the fans of the indy scene are members of the IWC. You would be hard pressed to find a casual wrestling fan who loves and follow the indy scene. Cause it was his fault WWE booked him like garbage till the Jeff Hardy feud... And the Daniel Bryan situation, he was getting pretty over during his WHC run, I think he would have been fine if he didn't continue the YES chants. I have to say, this makes a ton of sense.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Sept 25, 2014 11:33:37 GMT -5
I am calling complete shens on this post. People can say they have that "it" factor and not realize the faults in the performers. CM Punk was one of the most overrated guys in the indy circuit. From 2002-2005, almost every single person on these wrestling forums claimed CM Punk was a god and it was CM Punk is this, CM Punk is that. Look hot long it took him to find his niche in the WWE. With Daniel Bryan, the whole "Yes" Movement allowed him to find his niche. The WWE would push they guys they want to push. The IWC had little to no affect how the WWE thinks long-term. JFTR, most of the fans of the indy scene are members of the IWC. You would be hard pressed to find a casual wrestling fan who loves and follow the indy scene. Cause it was his fault WWE booked him like garbage till the Jeff Hardy feud... And the Daniel Bryan situation, he was getting pretty over during his WHC run, I think he would have been fine if he didn't continue the YES chants. CM Punk was booked like **** for most of his WWE tenure. Not just from the time he debuted till his heel turn in 2009. During his 434-day reign, he was booked to play second fiddle to John Cena. CM Punk could have had a better run than he did. He had to endure with bad booking that led to him getting frustrated and cutting that now infamous "pipebomb" promo in June of 2011. As far as Daniel Bryan is concerned, he got more over after losing to Sheamus in 18 seconds than before the match happened. In terms of appeal, the "Yes" chants really helped Bryan achieve the success he did. Without the "Yes" chants, there wouldn't have been a "Yes" movement and I am certain Bryan wouldn't have been given the traction he needed in the last two 1/2 years.
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