weaseltv
Main Eventer
Joined on: Mar 22, 2013 18:57:55 GMT -5
Posts: 3,672
|
Post by weaseltv on Sept 21, 2014 3:35:50 GMT -5
the fans and the IWC have found power with the push of Daniel Bryan up to winning the title. Until then, there were smaller victories like the short lived Zack Ryder push and... Fandangoing. So this question is 2 part - first who's next? if you don't want Reigns to be the next john Cena for the next 10 years, who should the fans push to the top of the ladder? and... Should the fans have the kind of control over wrestling outcomes as they seem to have had with the Daniel Bryan push?
|
|
|
Post by rustyy on Sept 21, 2014 3:51:02 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose or Bray Wyatt. In my dreams Wade Barrett. Yes fans should choose who is pushed, no more of Vince's idiotic mentalities.
|
|
|
Post by Mox on Sept 21, 2014 4:51:13 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose or Bray Wyatt. In my dreams Wade Barrett. Yes fans should choose who is pushed, no more of Vince's idiotic mentalities. Your read my mind! Ambrose and Wyatt could both be the face of WWE. And I think Barrett and Ziggler too. We can only hope that the fans rally again and demand a better champ.
|
|
|
Post by Duck Holliday on Sept 21, 2014 5:27:22 GMT -5
If I had to guess it would be Ambrose. Wyatt will probably always have a lot of momentum, but his being a pseudo heel will hold him back ever so slightly. Ambrose is someone the crowd can get behind; emotionally (how the fans view/feel for him) he is a weird blend of Austin and Bryan.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Mar 29, 2024 11:04:11 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 5:36:22 GMT -5
Ambrose Bray (please)
And I suspect Neville and Zayn
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Mar 29, 2024 11:04:11 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 5:50:25 GMT -5
If the fans ran the WWE, it'd be out of business within months
|
|
|
Post by sitruC on Sept 21, 2014 6:26:15 GMT -5
I'd want someone who looks like a face and acts like a face plus has earned his stay, Cena didn't become the face overnight and it took years of pushing, outside acts (Make A Wish, Charities) and fan support, hell if Lesnar didn't leave it could have been a different story so I guess that's a factor.
Roman is the perfect choice in my eyes, I don't understand why people can have so much hate for a person, it's honestly because the others wrestled the indies so they are instantly cooler than him. He has a good luck, he obviously hasn't got the biggest/best moveset ever but cut him some slack, he is obviously still learning as he goes along and he is comfortable enough on the mic.
If not then someone who has atleast been there awhile and actually is good enough I.e Sheamus, Orton. Failing them Rollins but I wouldn't be as happy.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Mar 29, 2024 11:04:11 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 6:50:48 GMT -5
If the fans ran the WWE, it'd be out of business within months I get what you mean, but the fans do run WWE, really. That's why Cena's on top. And why Ziggler isn't. The fans run WWE, not the marks.
|
|
|
Post by Squid: The Anti-Hero on Sept 21, 2014 7:19:09 GMT -5
Ambrose and Bray, let's make it happen internet.
|
|
dakis
Superstar
Joined on: Nov 27, 2012 12:10:01 GMT -5
Posts: 760
|
Post by dakis on Sept 21, 2014 7:22:33 GMT -5
In my opinion, We think we have a voice. Bryan wasn't pushed because we wanted it. Bryan was pushed because his merchandise was moving like crazy. That's how you get a guy pushed. Merchandise + pop culture following. We have been complaining about wrestlers for years. Many times to deaf ears. We are just a niche market in an other wise enormous market.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Mar 29, 2024 11:04:11 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 7:31:54 GMT -5
If the fans ran the WWE, it'd be out of business within months I get what you mean, but the fans do run WWE, really. That's why Cena's on top. And why Ziggler isn't. The fans run WWE, not the marks. By fans I mean the majority of WWE fans on WF, I should of specified that I guess . I know exactly what you mean and I agree completely, like imagine if WF ran WWE :X
|
|
Daniel Arshad
Superstar
Joined on: Jun 13, 2011 6:56:25 GMT -5
Posts: 997
|
Post by Daniel Arshad on Sept 21, 2014 7:36:17 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose or Bray Wyatt. In my dreams Wade Barrett. Yes fans should choose who is pushed, no more of Vince's idiotic mentalities. THIS. I was actually pretty surprised, earlier in the year, when I read a whole bunch of people complaining about how, "the fans are taking over the booking, this isn't how it's supposed to be, blah blah"; this IS how it is supposed to be. Everyone from Bruno Sammartino to Ricky Steamboat to Shawn Michaels to Steve Austin to The Rock to, even Cena, was chosen by the fans, and then given a push. Getting over, by definition, does not apply to Vince; it applies to the fans. The only exception to this I can think of off the top of my head is Hulk Hogan's initial push; I'm not sure (I may very well be wrong, and would love to be corrected by someone who has watched more of Hogan/WWF from this time period), but Hogan probably wasn't mega over with the fans before he defeated the Sheik and began his run. I really did think, it would be Cesaro this year. He was BY FAR the most over wrestler on WM and the post-Mania Raw, besides Bryan. He was monster over; smark cities have always given him a good reaction, but even the horrendous Southern crowds, who barely pop for anyone not in the main event, were giving him a tremendous response, especailly considering his position at the time; one half of a heel tag team, routinely losing to teams like Los Matadores and the like. In the run up to the Elimination Chamber was when Vince seemed to finally be behind him; he cooled down on him a bit on the Road to Mania, but of course, he went over so strong in the Battle Royale that there was no doubt; this was the next top babyface. .. And then they put Heyman with him, for no reason, confused the crowds, jobbed him to Kofi, Big E, and Ziggler, and now are back to using him a lower card heel, right where he was before he joined the Real Americans. Sigh.
|
|
|
Post by IRS on Sept 21, 2014 8:27:49 GMT -5
A) Ambrose.
B) The fans should have atleast some impact on booking decisions. To say they shouldn't would be completely moronic.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Mar 29, 2024 11:04:11 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 8:37:01 GMT -5
In my opinion, We think we have a voice. Bryan wasn't pushed because we wanted it. Bryan was pushed because his merchandise was moving like crazy. That's how you get a guy pushed. Merchandise + pop culture following. We have been complaining about wrestlers for years. Many times to deaf ears. We are just a niche market in an other wise enormous market. Too bad it's 2014 and the pop culture eye has firmly shifted away from the WWE.
|
|
|
Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Sept 21, 2014 8:41:56 GMT -5
I honestly believe Roman Reigns is a good choice for being the next top babyface. I just wish he could improve his mic work. His in ring work doesn't bother me much, but he should learn more in-ring psychologically. I wished that Bryan did not get injured when he did, cause I feel Reigns is being pushed way too quick because WWE basically doesn't have any other choice but to push him hard and quick because they're losing top guys due to injuries. I bet if Bryan wasn't injured, Reigns would not be pushed as hard as he is now (well, was before injury). Now two other guys that could be future top guys whether as babyface or heel are Bryat Wyatt and Dean Ambrose (heel for Wyatt, both for Ambrose).
As to whether fans should have impact on the booking, I agree that the fans should have some say in who's pushed, cause they're the ones who are buying the tickets to go there. The IWC should have very little impact at all on booking cause honestly, we can not be taken serious when it comes to who should be on top. I agree with whoever said that if WF ran WWE, it would go out of business. I believe that pushes should be determined on how the wrestler can connect with the fans, whether it's on the mic or what they do in the ring to make them pop. I would also add how prone they are to injury should impact how someone's booked (Christian, Mysterio not being pushed as hard because of how injury prone).
|
|
|
Post by el torro on Sept 21, 2014 9:01:05 GMT -5
Ambrose and Zayn are more likely.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Mar 29, 2024 11:04:11 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 9:04:32 GMT -5
I honestly believe Roman Reigns is a good choice for being the next top babyface. I just wish he could improve his mic work. His in ring work doesn't bother me much, but he should learn more in-ring psychologically. I wished that Bryan did not get injured when he did, cause I feel Reigns is being pushed way too quick because WWE basically doesn't have any other choice but to push him hard and quick because they're losing top guys due to injuries. I bet if Bryan wasn't injured, Reigns would not be pushed as hard as he is now (well, was before injury). Now two other guys that could be future top guys whether as babyface or heel are Bryat Wyatt and Dean Ambrose (heel for Wyatt, both for Ambrose). As to whether fans should have impact on the booking, I agree that the fans should have some say in who's pushed, cause they're the ones who are buying the tickets to go there. The IWC should have very little impact at all on booking cause honestly, we can not be taken serious when it comes to who should be on top. I agree with whoever said that if WF ran WWE, it would go out of business. I believe that pushes should be determined on how the wrestler can connect with the fans, whether it's on the mic or what they do in the ring to make them pop. I would also add how prone they are to injury should impact how someone's booked (Christian, Mysterio not being pushed as hard because of how injury prone). Bingo.
|
|
|
Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 21, 2014 9:08:08 GMT -5
I feel Reigns is being pushed way too quick Yeah, WWE should definitely slow down on big babyface pushes. If they take a big babyface prospect slow and just have him waiting around doing meaningless stuff because it's "too quick" to pull the trigger, he'll definitely still become a top guy and he definitely won't just fall into the midcard sea of nothingess. Ah, these words are true and I'll make you believe.See what I did there?
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Mar 29, 2024 11:04:11 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 9:20:11 GMT -5
I feel Reigns is being pushed way too quick Yeah, WWE should definitely slow down on big babyface pushes. If they take a big babyface prospect slow and just have him waiting around doing meaningless stuff because it's "too quick" to pull the trigger, he'll definitely still become a top guy and he definitely won't just fall into the midcard sea of nothingess. Ah, these words are true and I'll make you believe.See what I did there? WHAT DOES SIN CARA HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS?
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Mar 29, 2024 11:04:11 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 10:12:09 GMT -5
Yeah, WWE should definitely slow down on big babyface pushes. If they take a big babyface prospect slow and just have him waiting around doing meaningless stuff because it's "too quick" to pull the trigger, he'll definitely still become a top guy and he definitely won't just fall into the midcard sea of nothingess. Ah, these words are true and I'll make you believe.See what I did there? WHAT DOES SIN CARA HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS? He's obviously talking about Mysterio, dude
|
|