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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 27, 2014 19:00:25 GMT -5
They could've kept him off TV until SummerSlam. But back in real life, of course they couldn't, because building the third biggest PPV of the year without the real champion would be lunacy.
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 27, 2014 19:06:05 GMT -5
Rey won the title, Cena won it from him an hour later that was a joke
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 19:38:25 GMT -5
In a perfect world they would have held off on Punk returning. Then I would have had him interfere every time WWE tried to crown a new champion. No Rey WWE title win, no Cena as champ. No champion till Punk eventually returned. But I can understand Punk was red hot and it would have been foolish for WWE to have him gone for so long. Anybody can look back and criticize in hindsight. Some do it too much. If they were so worried about "striking while the iron was hot" with Punk, so to speak, then why didn't they give him the title until November? It's not like SummerSlam was the start of his historic title reign. In the grand scheme of things - and I felt this way back then, too - SummerSlam did nothing good for Punk, and only hurt him. He wound up in random feuds with Nash, Triple H and R-Truth/Miz after SummerSlam when he was still the hottest thing in wrestling at the time. Even when he finally regained the title at Survivor Series his match wasn't the main event and he played second fiddle to The Rock/Cena main eventing - which, ironically, was a precursor of things to come throughout a majority of Punk's title reign, too.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 19:45:23 GMT -5
They could've kept him off TV until SummerSlam. But back in real life, of course they couldn't, because building the third biggest PPV of the year without the real champion would be lunacy. Are you referring to the same PPV which has had several main event matches throughout its history that weren't for the WWE Title? The same SummerSlam that had one of those main event title matches to close the show end in a DQ? That same SummerSlam? I just came up with that scenario in two seconds. I'm not saying that exact plan would had to have happened. If they really wanted to, they could've announced Punk would be returning at SummerSlam at the end of the final RAW prior to SummerSlam. But, again, that would've taken the focus away from the two biggest egos in the company, which can't be done.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 27, 2014 19:55:58 GMT -5
Are you referring to the same PPV which has had several main event matches throughout its history that weren't for the WWE Title? That same SummerSlam? lol ok so what would have been a bigger main event that year than Punk vs Cena? Well in your world, apparently Punk wasn't needed to build up SummerSlam, so it only makes sense that "the two biggest egos in the company" got the focus anyway. But back in the real world, CM Punk running off with the title was the biggest story in wrestling at the time, and he was needed back to build the SummerSlam PPV. Fantasy booking is all well and good, but it's fantasy for a reason -- it often ignores reality. As Punk himself said:
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Post by marino13 on Aug 27, 2014 20:10:06 GMT -5
In a perfect world they would have held off on Punk returning. Then I would have had him interfere every time WWE tried to crown a new champion. No Rey WWE title win, no Cena as champ. No champion till Punk eventually returned. But I can understand Punk was red hot and it would have been foolish for WWE to have him gone for so long. Anybody can look back and criticize in hindsight. Some do it too much. If they were so worried about "striking while the iron was hot" with Punk, so to speak, then why didn't they give him the title until November? It's not like SummerSlam was the start of his historic title reign. In the grand scheme of things - and I felt this way back then, too - SummerSlam did nothing good for Punk, and only hurt him. He wound up in random feuds with Nash, Triple H and R-Truth/Miz after SummerSlam when he was still the hottest thing in wrestling at the time. Even when he finally regained the title at Survivor Series his match wasn't the main event and he played second fiddle to The Rock/Cena main eventing - which, ironically, was a precursor of things to come throughout a majority of Punk's title reign, too. I have no idea what their thought process was. But I always assumed the plan was for Del Rio to cash in on Cena but Punk's sudden rise in popularity threw them for a loop. So they gave Punk the belt but eventually went back to their initial plan of Del Rio as champ. It sucked, but with the tour of Mexico looming, I guess they wanted Del Rio as champion. The feuds with Nash, Miz & Truth was WWE trying to keep Punk relevant in the meantime. Not the greatest options I know. And his feud with Triple H was going well till it got rushed because of Nash not passing the physical. Shame but they needed a fill in for Nash, and like it or not Triple H was the best option. I also have no earthly ideas why Punk always played second fiddle to Cena. I didn't like that either. IMO the Champion should close the show 99% of the time.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 20:13:44 GMT -5
Are you referring to the same PPV which has had several main event matches throughout its history that weren't for the WWE Title? That same SummerSlam? lol ok so what would have been a bigger main event that year than Punk vs Cena? Well in your world, apparently Punk wasn't needed to build up SummerSlam, so it only makes sense that "the two biggest egos in the company" got the focus anyway. But back in the real world, CM Punk running off with the title was the biggest story in wrestling at the time, and he was needed back to build the SummerSlam PPV. Fantasy booking is all well and good, but it's fantasy for a reason -- it often ignores reality. As Punk himself said: Are you being serious? I just told you the main event would've been a triple threat for the title. The advertised main event would've been Rey vs. Cena and then Punk would've returned at the last minute to the match. The focus would've been on Cena vs. Rey with Triple H trying to re-sign CM Punk as a secondary storyline heading into the PPV. And in this case, the end result would've been both Triple H and Cena putting Punk over because it was the right thing to do at the time and would've capitalized on Punk's popularity at the time. But what really happened was Punk got thrown into two terrible feuds that did nothing but cool him off, and Cena was in the main event scene during that entire period. So, nothing changed. And your quote from Punk pretty much proved my point. He admitted himself that the perfect booking would've been to keep him off TV for longer than they did. But "in a prefect world," that would've meant the angle would've ended without Punk getting shafted and Cena and Triple H coming out looking like a million bucks. And in "the real world," as you love to say, no angle can ever end without Superman coming out on top. Every time you reply to me, you (accidentally?) prove my points even further.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 27, 2014 20:18:04 GMT -5
And your quote from Punk pretty much proved my point. He admitted himself that the perfect booking would've been to keep him off TV for longer than they did. And he also acknowledged that in the real world, that wasn't feasible. He understood the difference between reality and his fantasy booking. Some of us can grasp that difference, some of us can't.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 20:18:03 GMT -5
If they were so worried about "striking while the iron was hot" with Punk, so to speak, then why didn't they give him the title until November? It's not like SummerSlam was the start of his historic title reign. In the grand scheme of things - and I felt this way back then, too - SummerSlam did nothing good for Punk, and only hurt him. He wound up in random feuds with Nash, Triple H and R-Truth/Miz after SummerSlam when he was still the hottest thing in wrestling at the time. Even when he finally regained the title at Survivor Series his match wasn't the main event and he played second fiddle to The Rock/Cena main eventing - which, ironically, was a precursor of things to come throughout a majority of Punk's title reign, too. I have no idea what their thought process was. But I always assumed the plan was for Del Rio to cash in on Cena but Punk's sudden rise in popularity threw them for a loop. So they gave Punk the belt but eventually went back to their initial plan of Del Rio as champ. It sucked, but with the tour of Mexico looming, I guess they wanted Del Rio as champion. The feuds with Nash, Miz & Truth was WWE trying to keep Punk relevant in the meantime. Not the greatest options I know. And his feud with Triple H was going well till it got rushed because of Nash not passing the physical. Shame but they needed a fill in for Nash, and like it or not Triple H was the best option. I also have no earthly ideas why Punk always played second fiddle to Cena. I didn't like that either. IMO the Champion should close the show 99% of the time. And that was my biggest problem with everything. Prior to Vegas, I highly doubt the WWE was planning on Punk main eventing SummerSlam. You would think that his rise in popularity at the time would've made them want to ride Punk as the hot hand for as long as they could, but they will never, ever do such a thing if it comes at the expense of John Cena not being the main focus. And here we are three years later, and how sad is it that nothing has changed?
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 20:21:49 GMT -5
And your quote from Punk pretty much proved my point. He admitted himself that the perfect booking would've been to keep him off TV for longer than they did. And he also acknowledged that in the real world, that wasn't feasible. He understood the difference between reality and his fantasy booking. Some of us can grasp that difference, some of us can't. Is there a reason you keep ignoring the parts of my post in which I explain several ways they could've booked SummerSlam that would've led to Punk coming out looking strong? Or do you just automatically ignore any booking ideas that don't end with Cena coming out on top like the entire WWE creative staff does?
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 27, 2014 20:30:43 GMT -5
Is there a reason you keep ignoring the parts of my post in which I explain several ways they could've booked SummerSlam that would've led to Punk coming out looking strong? Those fantasy booking ideas are devoid of merit, and fuelled by a bizarre paranoid agenda against Triple H, John Cena and WWE itself. They're not worth discussing, outside of trying to teach you -- with a little help from CM Punk -- that back in the real world, reality doesn't always jive with fantasy booking ideas. A company that needs to sell a pay-per-view in three weeks has different, more sensible priorities than a fan who is fantasy booking for his own amusement and hates the promotion anyway.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 20:44:48 GMT -5
Is there a reason you keep ignoring the parts of my post in which I explain several ways they could've booked SummerSlam that would've led to Punk coming out looking strong? Those fantasy booking ideas are devoid of merit, and fuelled by a bizarre paranoid agenda against Triple H, John Cena and WWE itself. They're not worth discussing, outside of trying to teach you -- with a little help from CM Punk -- that back in the real world, reality doesn't always jive with fantasy booking ideas. A company that needs to sell a pay-per-view in three weeks has different, more sensible priorities than a fan who is fantasy booking for his own amusement and hates the promotion anyway. The fact that you would even insinuate that the WWE doesn't do close to EVERYTHING with the No. 1 intention being how it will benefit Cena after nearly a decade of the same booking year after year is just insanely naive. I won't even get into the ignoring Triple H's well-known backstage politics, either. Just wondering, since you seem to not have any problems with anything the company ever does (which is probably because everything they do, not coincidentally, benefits your favorite wrestler), can you explain the logic as to why Punk was immediately removed from the main event scene following that PPV in favor of Cena when he was still the most popular thing in wrestling at the time, and clearly was the company's No. 1 draw?
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 27, 2014 20:48:56 GMT -5
can you explain the logic as to why Punk was immediately removed from the main event scene following that PPV Following which PPV?
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 20:49:47 GMT -5
can you explain the logic as to why Punk was immediately removed from the main event scene following that PPV Following which PPV? SummerSlam
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 27, 2014 20:54:03 GMT -5
So you're asking why CM Punk "was immediately removed from the main event scene following SummerSlam 2011" when he main-evented the next two PPVs after that? Lol.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 21:05:50 GMT -5
So you're asking why CM Punk "was immediately removed from the main event scene following SummerSlam 2011" when he main-evented the next two PPVs after that? Lol. You know what I meant. Feuding with Triple H and Kevin Nash were not in any way productive for Punk and did nothing except remove him from the title picture so Cena could be back in it. He wasn't the main focus. The fans all wanted him in the title picture; not feuding with a guy who can't walk three steps without tearing his quad. But, go ahead and keep dancing around my question if you'd like...
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Post by sitruC on Aug 27, 2014 21:06:45 GMT -5
People arguing about something 3 years ago and not about Rey in any way, didn't see that happening at all...
And yes, his reign was pointless but by that time he was still getting injuries as often as Cena gets bashed so it made sense for nothing long term (one hour is extreme, but it's understandable why it was going to be short anyway and why they had the #1 merchandise seller win it from the #2 is completely rational)
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 27, 2014 21:09:57 GMT -5
I assumed that by main event, you meant main event. I now realise that you meant that Alberto Del Rio was a bigger name to feud with than Triple H, which is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 21:13:25 GMT -5
I remember that. Triple H literally just gave Cena a title match for no apparent reason when Cena came to see him in his office, thus rendering the entire tournament that Rey won pointless. He lost the WWE Championship a week prior, he didn't have a chance to use his rematch clause. Not hard to figure that one out.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 27, 2014 21:14:51 GMT -5
I assumed that by main event, you meant main event. I now realise that you meant that Alberto Del Rio was a bigger name to feud with than Triple H, which is ridiculous. Despite your high opinion of Triple H, yes, feuding for the WWE Championship is way more important. Anyone will tell you that, including CM Punk, who pretty much left for that exact reason. Why was CM Punk removed from the title picture following SummerSlam? Still waiting for a single logical theory from you that doesn't involve the WWE not wanting him to be bigger than Cena.
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