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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 1:38:32 GMT -5
He didn't explain anything. He definitely didn't explain what you meant... He shared his point of view. He did explain just like I did. Mick got his money from wrestling and he was paid when he wrestled. He does not wrestle now, so he doesn't get paid. He can have a legends contract but apparently that's not up to his standards so now he gets nothing. What does he want so much money for? He does NOTHING. WWE don't need him. You didn't explain anything, you made an absurd statement about him not being deserving of anything.. Shows your lack of knowledge on the situation, and your lack of respect to the person.. You didn't make your original comment about Mick Foley because you wanted to talk about business, you just happened to have some guy come along and make you look like you had another point of view. Who said he wants "so much money"? He want's what he is owed, not what he's worth.. He wants, in this case what he deserves as the contract said.. And according to that interview, he didn't get even what he was deserved on his contract. Which is a breach.. Foley is business savvy enough to not take WWE to court over it, because he doesn't want to be blacklisted.. But he's smart enough to not re-sign.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 1:39:09 GMT -5
It's both. He doesn't deserve a lot because he already received compensation while he wrestled, and if those were too small then he should've held out then. And he isn't worth as much as he thinks he's worth. The WWE, Mattel, etc. do not need Mick Foley to make money off their product. They can sell their product by peddling someone else. Mattel doesn't even need Hulk Hogan to be successful. It's both. He already got what he deserves. He got paychecks when he wrestled. And clearly the WWE doesn't need him bad enough to pay him what he wants. He can hold out. That's his business. WWE can just sign someone else. That's their business. No, it's not both. What you deserve, and what you're worth are two very, very different conversations. Mick Foley is a New York Times bestselling author with a net worth of over $15 million dollars... I don't think he's bitching or begging because he's desperate for cash. I think he's asking for what he's owed. Because according to him he wasn't even given that.. If what he deserve is what he originally set up the contract for, then that is absolutely what he deserves. That in no way reflects what he's worth because I can guarantee his "Legend's deal" wasn't even close to a $15 million dollar paycheck. Mick Foley doesn't need WWE, Mattel, etc. to make money for himself. If you wanna talk business we can talk business.. But I didn't attack the other guy to talk with him the rights and wrongs of a business decision. I agree 100% they are different conversations, but no matter the conversation (deserve or worth) he doesn't apply to either. He doesn't deserve the extra money, and he isn't worth the extra money. I'm not saying we're talking about one or the other. I'm saying no matter what you want to talk about, Foley shouldn't get the money for deserve or value. So you're saying they reneged on his contract? You say he's owed this money because that was the deal he signed? If that's the case then this is a legal discussion, and he should sue for the money he's owed. But he isn't suing. He's simply withholding. Why? Because he doesn't deserve it legally OR based on any merit. Now we're talking about THREE things: deserve contractually, deserve for past performance, and worth. In ALL THREE he shouldn't get more than they're offering. I don't care what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 1:42:54 GMT -5
He did explain just like I did. Mick got his money from wrestling and he was paid when he wrestled. He does not wrestle now, so he doesn't get paid. He can have a legends contract but apparently that's not up to his standards so now he gets nothing. What does he want so much money for? He does NOTHING. WWE don't need him. You didn't explain anything, you made an absurd statement about him not being deserving of anything.. Shows your lack of knowledge on the situation, and your lack of respect to the person.. You didn't make your original comment about Mick Foley because you wanted to talk about business, you just happened to have some guy come along and make you look like you had another point of view. Who said he wants "so much money"? He want's what he is owed, not what he's worth.. He wants, in this case what he deserves as the contract said.. And according to that interview, he didn't get even what he was deserved on his contract. Which is a breach.. Foley is business savvy enough to not take WWE to court over it, because he doesn't want to be blacklisted.. But he's smart enough to not resign. If he's owed the money then he signed a contract, yes? If he did then he should just simply sue for what he's owed. Obviously he's not suing so the contract he had didn't have favorable language. You say he's worth 15 million from his book deal? That will buy you a pretty good contract lawyer. I just don't see what you're debating about. You're basically saying, "I'm not talking about deserve, I'm talking about deserve!!"
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Post by rustyy on Apr 23, 2014 1:46:39 GMT -5
He did explain just like I did. Mick got his money from wrestling and he was paid when he wrestled. He does not wrestle now, so he doesn't get paid. He can have a legends contract but apparently that's not up to his standards so now he gets nothing. What does he want so much money for? He does NOTHING. WWE don't need him. You didn't explain anything, you made an absurd statement about him not being deserving of anything.. Shows your lack of knowledge on the situation, and your lack of respect to the person.. You didn't make your original comment about Mick Foley because you wanted to talk about business, you just happened to have some guy come along and make you look like you had another point of view. Who said he wants "so much money"? He want's what he is owed, not what he's worth.. He wants, in this case what he deserves as the contract said.. And according to that interview, he didn't get even what he was deserved on his contract. Which is a breach.. Foley is business savvy enough to not take WWE to court over it, because he doesn't want to be blacklisted.. But he's smart enough to not re-sign. You have yet to tell me what he does to warrant getting paid. They have him do some panels, once every blue moon and he's complain about a contract. He's lucky they offered him anything after constant complaining and getting himself so worked up he smashed his TV. I don't need to respect him, I respect him as a performer but he's just a person who seems like a whiny pest to deal with. I've never heard any other legend complain like he does, especially about contracts. And some legends are worth a hell of a lot more than him and do a lot more too.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 1:47:04 GMT -5
No, it's not both. What you deserve, and what you're worth are two very, very different conversations. Mick Foley is a New York Times bestselling author with a net worth of over $15 million dollars... I don't think he's bitching or begging because he's desperate for cash. I think he's asking for what he's owed. Because according to him he wasn't even given that.. If what he deserve is what he originally set up the contract for, then that is absolutely what he deserves. That in no way reflects what he's worth because I can guarantee his "Legend's deal" wasn't even close to a $15 million dollar paycheck. Mick Foley doesn't need WWE, Mattel, etc. to make money for himself. If you wanna talk business we can talk business.. But I didn't attack the other guy to talk with him the rights and wrongs of a business decision. I agree 100% they are different conversations, but no matter the conversation (deserve or worth) he doesn't apply to either. He doesn't deserve the extra money, and he isn't worth the extra money. I'm not saying we're talking about one or the other. I'm saying no matter what you want to talk about, Foley shouldn't get the money for deserve or value. So you're saying they reneged on his contract? You say he's owed this money because that was the deal he signed? If that's the case then this is a legal discussion, and he should sue for the money he's owed. But he isn't suing. He's simply withholding. Why? Because he doesn't deserve it legally OR based on any merit. Now we're talking about THREE things: deserve contractually, deserve for past performance, and worth. In ALL THREE he shouldn't get more than they're offering. I don't care what it is. You and I are only talking about his deserving contractually and his present worth because you assumed my original comment towards the other guy was based on a business point of view on what he deserves for past performances and not me going after him for his lack of respect based on his wording. Foley is not dumb enough to take the WWE to court because he's worth $15 million dollars with multiple other avenues to gain revenue other than them.. He's smart enough to keep his distance until they once again offer him a contract.. Because he's worth another eventual offer due to his past career in their business.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 1:51:00 GMT -5
You didn't explain anything, you made an absurd statement about him not being deserving of anything.. Shows your lack of knowledge on the situation, and your lack of respect to the person.. You didn't make your original comment about Mick Foley because you wanted to talk about business, you just happened to have some guy come along and make you look like you had another point of view. Who said he wants "so much money"? He want's what he is owed, not what he's worth.. He wants, in this case what he deserves as the contract said.. And according to that interview, he didn't get even what he was deserved on his contract. Which is a breach.. Foley is business savvy enough to not take WWE to court over it, because he doesn't want to be blacklisted.. But he's smart enough to not resign. If he's owed the money then he signed a contract, yes? If he did then he should just simply sue for what he's owed. Obviously he's not suing so the contract he had didn't have favorable language. You say he's worth 15 million from his book deal? That will buy you a pretty good contract lawyer. I just don't see what you're debating about. You're basically saying, "I'm not talking about deserve, I'm talking about deserve!!" I'm not debating anything.. I'm clearing up what you think I meant in the original post. We've also both talked about what you deserve on your contract, and what you deserve because of your past. So I am in a sense not talking about deserve and talking about deserve. Just read what I've typed, I've repeated myself more than I should have.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 1:53:22 GMT -5
You didn't explain anything, you made an absurd statement about him not being deserving of anything.. Shows your lack of knowledge on the situation, and your lack of respect to the person.. You didn't make your original comment about Mick Foley because you wanted to talk about business, you just happened to have some guy come along and make you look like you had another point of view. Who said he wants "so much money"? He want's what he is owed, not what he's worth.. He wants, in this case what he deserves as the contract said.. And according to that interview, he didn't get even what he was deserved on his contract. Which is a breach.. Foley is business savvy enough to not take WWE to court over it, because he doesn't want to be blacklisted.. But he's smart enough to not re-sign. You have yet to tell me what he does to warrant getting paid. They have him do some panels, once every blue moon and he's complain about a contract. He's lucky they offered him anything after constant complaining and getting himself so worked up he smashed his TV. I don't need to respect him, I respect him as a performer but he's just a person who seems like a whiny pest to deal with. I've never heard any other legend complain like he does, especially about contracts. And some legends are worth a hell of a lot more than him and do a lot more too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 1:53:36 GMT -5
I agree 100% they are different conversations, but no matter the conversation (deserve or worth) he doesn't apply to either. He doesn't deserve the extra money, and he isn't worth the extra money. I'm not saying we're talking about one or the other. I'm saying no matter what you want to talk about, Foley shouldn't get the money for deserve or value. So you're saying they reneged on his contract? You say he's owed this money because that was the deal he signed? If that's the case then this is a legal discussion, and he should sue for the money he's owed. But he isn't suing. He's simply withholding. Why? Because he doesn't deserve it legally OR based on any merit. Now we're talking about THREE things: deserve contractually, deserve for past performance, and worth. In ALL THREE he shouldn't get more than they're offering. I don't care what it is. you assumed my original comment towards the other guy was based on a business point of view on what he deserves for past performances I didn't assume. That's exactly what you said! "PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE." You said absolutely NOTHING about his contract in that post. You said "deserve something after the career he had" and that is exactly what I argued, and NOW you're trying to switch it up! I think you're confusing yourself. I responded to EXACTLY what you said and you tried to change the conversation midway through. I don't care about your original post. If I did I would have responded to that.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 2:01:51 GMT -5
you assumed my original comment towards the other guy was based on a business point of view on what he deserves for past performances I didn't assume. That's exactly what you said! "PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE." You said absolutely NOTHING about his contract in that post. You said "deserve something after the career he had" and that is exactly what I argued, and NOW you're trying to switch it up! I think you're confusing yourself. I responded to EXACTLY what you said and you tried to change the conversation midway through. I don't care about your original post. If I did I would have responded to that. Oh my god, because he said "he doesn't deserve anything"! He. Doesn't. Deserve. Anything. I've switched nothing and responded to every comment you made.. If I'm confused by anything, it's because I've scrambled to talk to you about multiple subjects about multiple words that can have multiple meanings about multiple different things, in which we were also discussing at 3 in the morning, while having another person chime in to scatter non-sense because his first post was indeed non sense. AND that was my original post!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 2:11:08 GMT -5
I didn't assume. That's exactly what you said! "PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE." You said absolutely NOTHING about his contract in that post. You said "deserve something after the career he had" and that is exactly what I argued, and NOW you're trying to switch it up! I think you're confusing yourself. I responded to EXACTLY what you said and you tried to change the conversation midway through. I don't care about your original post. If I did I would have responded to that. Oh my god, because he said "he doesn't deserve anything"! He. Doesn't. Deserve. Anything. I've switched nothing and responded to every comment you made.. If I'm confused by anything, it's because I've scrambled to talk to you about multiple subjects about multiple words that can have multiple meanings about multiple different things, in which we were also discussing at 3 in the morning, while having another person chime in to scatter non-sense because his first post was indeed non sense. AND that was my original post! I don't care about your original post. I don't care about your conversation with him. All I know is you said, "PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE." That's what you said, and that's what I quoted you as saying, and that's exactly what I responded to. No more no less. You didn't say "explain how Mick Foley doesn't deserve ANYTHING for his contract he just signed. Your words speak for themselves. And on a side note, if you can't keep yourself straight with multiple conversations at 3AM, then whose fault is it for trying to do so?
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 2:11:17 GMT -5
Deserve: To do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
Worthy: Deserving effort, attention, or respect.
Respect: A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
Achievement: A thing done successfully, typically by effort, courage, or skill.
Done: Used as a nonstandard past tense of do.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 2:16:01 GMT -5
Oh my god, because he said "he doesn't deserve anything"! He. Doesn't. Deserve. Anything. I've switched nothing and responded to every comment you made.. If I'm confused by anything, it's because I've scrambled to talk to you about multiple subjects about multiple words that can have multiple meanings about multiple different things, in which we were also discussing at 3 in the morning, while having another person chime in to scatter non-sense because his first post was indeed non sense. AND that was my original post! I don't care about your original post. I don't care about your conversation with him. All I know is you said, "PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE." That's what you said, and that's what I quoted you as saying, and that's exactly what I responded to. No more no less. You didn't say "explain how Mick Foley doesn't deserve ANYTHING for his contract he just signed. Your words speak for themselves. And on a side note, if you can't keep yourself straight with multiple conversations at 3AM, then whose fault is it for trying to do so? You don't care about my original post, yet all you know is I said exactly what was my original post. So you're smug now?.. If I would have known you were going to be smug little child, I wouldn't have wasted my time by trying to keep up with this conversation. If anything is confusing.. It's your fault. Like I said I was only answering the questions you were asking, I was only replying to what you said.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 2:16:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 2:17:54 GMT -5
Deserve: To do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment). Worthy: Deserving effort, attention, or respect. Respect: A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. Achievement: A thing done successfully, typically by effort, courage, or skill. Done: Used as a nonstandard past tense of do. Mick Foley is not "worthy of [monetary] reward" for things he has already rewarded for when he wrestled He got his respect, they paid him a respectable salary when he actually wrestled Done is in the past! Exactly! Not in the present. He did deserve it and he got paid while he did. Now that career is DONE.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 2:24:36 GMT -5
Deserve: To do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment). Worthy: Deserving effort, attention, or respect. Respect: A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. Achievement: A thing done successfully, typically by effort, courage, or skill. Done: Used as a nonstandard past tense of do. Mick Foley is not "worthy of [monetary] reward" for things he has already rewarded for when he wrestled He got his respect, they paid him a respectable salary when he actually wrestled Done is in the past! Exactly! Not in the present. He did deserve it and he got paid while he did. Now that career is DONE. I guess that's why people want a Dude Love action figure. That's why people want that unreleased Mankind.. People pay so much for his Elite 17 figure on eBay, people pay money for his Cactus Jack figure.. People wanted the 3 face of Foley in the WWE game based on the 90's era of wrestling.. Because his career is done. WWE is also still paying him. He doesn't have a career and he get's paid for it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 2:26:38 GMT -5
Mick Foley is not "worthy of [monetary] reward" for things he has already rewarded for when he wrestled He got his respect, they paid him a respectable salary when he actually wrestled Done is in the past! Exactly! Not in the present. He did deserve it and he got paid while he did. Now that career is DONE. I guess that's why people want a Dude Love action figure. That's why people want that unreleased Mankind.. People pay so much for his Elite 17 figure on eBay, people pay money for his Cactus Jack figure.. People wanted the 3 face of Foley in the WWE game based on the 90's era of wrestling.. Because his career is done. WWE is also still paying him. He doesn't have a career and he get's paid for it. Not anymore apparently. See the original post.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 2:28:33 GMT -5
I guess that's why people want a Dude Love action figure. That's why people want that unreleased Mankind.. People pay so much for his Elite 17 figure on eBay, people pay money for his Cactus Jack figure.. People wanted the 3 face of Foley in the WWE game based on the 90's era of wrestling.. Because his career is done. WWE is also still paying him. He doesn't have a career and he get's paid for it. Not anymore apparently. See the original post. I don't care about the original post.. So what I'm going to do is talk about the original post with someone else for 2 pages.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 2:28:45 GMT -5
Mick Foley is not "worthy of [monetary] reward" for things he has already rewarded for when he wrestled He got his respect, they paid him a respectable salary when he actually wrestled Done is in the past! Exactly! Not in the present. He did deserve it and he got paid while he did. Now that career is DONE. I guess that's why people want a Dude Love action figure. That's why people want that unreleased Mankind.. People pay so much for his Elite 17 figure on eBay, people pay money for his Cactus Jack figure.. People wanted the 3 face of Foley in the WWE game based on the 90's era of wrestling.. Because his career is done. WWE is also still paying him. He doesn't have a career and he get's paid for it. I want a Goldberg figure, but if the rumors are true and he's been high-balling them, then fine, let him keep his dang likeness to himself. Same with this guy. Same with Hulk Hogan if that's how he felt. But of course he doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 2:30:22 GMT -5
Not anymore apparently. See the original post. I don't care about the original post.. So what I'm going to do is talk about the original post with someone else for 2 pages. I know, you can make it up as you go along. But at the end of the day, Foley is just being petulant in my opinion. He deserves whatever they offer. Nothing else.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 2:38:06 GMT -5
I don't care about the original post.. So what I'm going to do is talk about the original post with someone else for 2 pages. I know, you can make it up as you go along. But at the end of the day, Foley is just being petulant in my opinion. He deserves whatever they offer. Nothing else. Don't be butt hurt.
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