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Post by The Mask of Truth on Apr 22, 2014 20:43:48 GMT -5
$100 for that mail away is starting to sound like a great deal...
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Post by jnavo217 on Apr 22, 2014 20:45:26 GMT -5
$100 for that mail away is starting to sound like a great deal... Haha ya man, and all those people were hating on that poor guy too, he actually lost a lot of money, he could've sold them all for 200!
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Apr 22, 2014 20:55:02 GMT -5
And realistically, I honestly just want to get my debut TRU Mankind, Dude Love, and a Mick Foley from his match against Edge. Idk, this came off as sounding pretty selfish and greedy. lol Bad for us but good on Foley for refusing to be lowballed.
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Post by Rattlehead on Apr 22, 2014 20:58:06 GMT -5
Dude! We need love man! Thanks for posting this, as it does upset me a bit but it's understandable in his point. Hopefully he signs again, I enjoy him in the video games. Haha
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 22, 2014 21:00:26 GMT -5
... if we don't get that 96 Mankind I'm going to be pissed. That thing is like an ongoing joke that nobody is laughing about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 21:00:27 GMT -5
Damn....
Mick really is all about business. Sucks for all of us but as a guy that wants to see a fair share for what WWE is using his likeness for I don't blame him.
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Post by poindizzle on Apr 22, 2014 21:06:03 GMT -5
I don't think this will affect the Mankind figure necessarily, I think that got pulled because of the hair clumps. But perhaps they now can't make a new one. Who knows what the reason for the delay is really though? See, I thought the same thing about the hair clumps, but CM Punk's tiny hair clippers scooted by on two wide releases. I agree that this probably isn't affecting that figure, but unless some kind of agreement is met, of course there is no hope in hell for a Dude Love figure. I saw Mick at a show over the weekend. He didn't seem very happy, and then I read his heavy heartedness for not being home on Easter and it suddenly made sense. Hope he gets some closure with this situation in a manner that works well for him. WWE acts shamefully sometimes, don't they?
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Post by rustyy on Apr 22, 2014 21:42:41 GMT -5
I don't think this will affect the Mankind figure necessarily, I think that got pulled because of the hair clumps. But perhaps they now can't make a new one. Who knows what the reason for the delay is really though? See, I thought the same thing about the hair clumps, but CM Punk's tiny hair clippers scooted by on two wide releases. I agree that this probably isn't affecting that figure, but unless some kind of agreement is met, of course there is no hope in hell for a Dude Love figure. I saw Mick at a show over the weekend. He didn't seem very happy, and then I read his heavy heartedness for not being home on Easter and it suddenly made sense. Hope he gets some closure with this situation in a manner that works well for him. WWE acts shamefully sometimes, don't they?What exactly is shameful about not paying him a lot? He doesn't deserve a lot.
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Post by Hendrix83 on Apr 22, 2014 23:05:56 GMT -5
Man, as a legends-only collector I really want the Mankind and Dude Love figures.
But I completely agree with Foley not wanting to be screwed by the greed of some WWE accountants who figured they could save a buck by lowballing legends. He should be payed more than 25% of an expected payout after all he gave for the business. What really sucks is the younger talent can't say no to the WWE without fear of losing their jobs.
I still think he'll probably come to an agreement.
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Post by poindizzle on Apr 22, 2014 23:06:26 GMT -5
See, I thought the same thing about the hair clumps, but CM Punk's tiny hair clippers scooted by on two wide releases. I agree that this probably isn't affecting that figure, but unless some kind of agreement is met, of course there is no hope in hell for a Dude Love figure. I saw Mick at a show over the weekend. He didn't seem very happy, and then I read his heavy heartedness for not being home on Easter and it suddenly made sense. Hope he gets some closure with this situation in a manner that works well for him. WWE acts shamefully sometimes, don't they?What exactly is shameful about not paying him a lot? He doesn't deserve a lot. You're right, performers don't need to be rightfully acknowledged and compensated for the likeness of a person who gave their all and put their body on the line to make an bunghole corporation rich off of video games and toys and posters and so forth. I'm sure Linda McMahon needs all that money they don't share with the stars who put them on the top of the heap to have another unsuccessful go at her dismal political career.
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Post by rustyy on Apr 22, 2014 23:27:14 GMT -5
It's a business, with your mentality they should just give all there money away and not keep any. It's a what have you done for me lately business. No one told Mick to go get smacked with a chair or jump off the cell, that was his choice. Why should he be paid so much when the last time he wrestled was 10+ years ago? What is he being paid for sitting? He didn't get low balled, he's lucky he got a contract at all.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 0:19:40 GMT -5
See, I thought the same thing about the hair clumps, but CM Punk's tiny hair clippers scooted by on two wide releases. I agree that this probably isn't affecting that figure, but unless some kind of agreement is met, of course there is no hope in hell for a Dude Love figure. I saw Mick at a show over the weekend. He didn't seem very happy, and then I read his heavy heartedness for not being home on Easter and it suddenly made sense. Hope he gets some closure with this situation in a manner that works well for him. WWE acts shamefully sometimes, don't they?What exactly is shameful about not paying him a lot? He doesn't deserve a lot. PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE. You clearly don't have a clue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 0:53:11 GMT -5
What exactly is shameful about not paying him a lot? He doesn't deserve a lot. PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE. You clearly don't have a clue. Deserve's got nothing to do with business. What he did during his career he did to stay relevant and employed while he wrestled. Because he jumped off cages and such, he got to keep wrestling while he had the athletic ability to do so. Like a wide receiver in football who risks his health by going across the middle four or five times a game. He did it to stay employed then. No business owes him more than that if they plan on staying in business. Current guys can sacrifice themselves if they want to stay employed now. Or they can play it safe and hit the road now. That's your reward. Unless his contract from the 90s and 2000s said "We'll pay X amount once you retire," then they owe him nothing. Obviously he wouldn't be signing new legends deals year after year if they made that promise. He performed then, and they compensated him then. That's all he deserves from a business standpoint. And WWE is a business. If he wanted security in retirement, he should've negotiated those terms while he wrestled.
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Post by rustyy on Apr 23, 2014 1:10:04 GMT -5
PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE. You clearly don't have a clue. Deserve's got nothing to do with business. What he did during his career he did to stay relevant and employed while he wrestled. Because he jumped off cages and such, he got to keep wrestling while he had the athletic ability to do so. Like a wide receiver in football who risks his health by going across the middle four or five times a game. He did it to stay employed then. No business owes him more than that if they plan on staying in business. Current guys can sacrifice themselves if they want to stay employed now. Or they can play it safe and hit the road now. That's your reward. Unless his contract from the 90s and 2000s said "We'll pay X amount once you retire," then they owe him nothing. Obviously he wouldn't be signing new legends deals year after year if they made that promise. He performed then, and they compensated him then. That's all he deserves from a business standpoint. And WWE is a business. If he wanted security in retirement, he should've negotiated those terms while he wrestled. Explained perfectly. Please explain to me what he does now to warrant a fat check like he's begging for? Hint:The 90's aren't now.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 1:18:30 GMT -5
PLEASE, explain how Mick Foley, OF ALL PEOPLE, doesn't deserve alot? I would love to hear someone argue how he doesn't deserve something after the career he had in the WWE. You clearly don't have a clue. Deserve's got nothing to do with business. What he did during his career he did to stay relevant and employed while he wrestled. Because he jumped off cages and such, he got to keep wrestling while he had the athletic ability to do so. Like a wide receiver in football who risks his health by going across the middle four or five times a game. He did it to stay employed then. No business owes him more than that if they plan on staying in business. Current guys can sacrifice themselves if they want to stay employed now. Or they can play it safe and hit the road now. That's your reward. Unless his contract from the 90s and 2000s said "We'll pay X amount once you retire," then they owe him nothing. Obviously he wouldn't be signing new legends deals year after year if they made that promise. He performed then, and they compensated him then. That's all he deserves from a business standpoint. And WWE is a business. If he wanted security in retirement, he should've negotiated those terms while he wrestled. To say he doesn't deserve alot, is different from saying he isn't worth alot.. Getting what you deserve and getting what you're worth are two different conversations. Being an alleged "wrestling fan", which I'm sure he claims to be, it's disrespectful to say Mick Foley doesn't deserve alot. I think it comes across as being an unintelligent and disrespectful little dweeb. I agree with most of what you said as far as business goes, but I didn't confront him over his business view.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 1:21:11 GMT -5
Deserve's got nothing to do with business. What he did during his career he did to stay relevant and employed while he wrestled. Because he jumped off cages and such, he got to keep wrestling while he had the athletic ability to do so. Like a wide receiver in football who risks his health by going across the middle four or five times a game. He did it to stay employed then. No business owes him more than that if they plan on staying in business. Current guys can sacrifice themselves if they want to stay employed now. Or they can play it safe and hit the road now. That's your reward. Unless his contract from the 90s and 2000s said "We'll pay X amount once you retire," then they owe him nothing. Obviously he wouldn't be signing new legends deals year after year if they made that promise. He performed then, and they compensated him then. That's all he deserves from a business standpoint. And WWE is a business. If he wanted security in retirement, he should've negotiated those terms while he wrestled. Explained perfectly. Please explain to me what he does now to warrant a fat check like he's begging for? Hint:The 90's aren't now. He didn't explain anything. He definitely didn't explain what you meant... He shared his point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 1:21:09 GMT -5
What exactly is shameful about not paying him a lot? He doesn't deserve a lot. You're right, performers don't need to be rightfully acknowledged and compensated for the likeness of a person who gave their all and put their body on the line to make an bunghole corporation rich off of video games and toys and posters and so forth. I'm sure Linda McMahon needs all that money they don't share with the stars who put them on the top of the heap to have another unsuccessful go at her dismal political career. Honestly, you have no idea what he's getting paid, therefore have no right to prance around like you 100% know what's going on. For all we know WWE could be giving him a lot of money and really fair pay that he's just not happy with for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 1:25:04 GMT -5
Deserve's got nothing to do with business. What he did during his career he did to stay relevant and employed while he wrestled. Because he jumped off cages and such, he got to keep wrestling while he had the athletic ability to do so. Like a wide receiver in football who risks his health by going across the middle four or five times a game. He did it to stay employed then. No business owes him more than that if they plan on staying in business. Current guys can sacrifice themselves if they want to stay employed now. Or they can play it safe and hit the road now. That's your reward. Unless his contract from the 90s and 2000s said "We'll pay X amount once you retire," then they owe him nothing. Obviously he wouldn't be signing new legends deals year after year if they made that promise. He performed then, and they compensated him then. That's all he deserves from a business standpoint. And WWE is a business. If he wanted security in retirement, he should've negotiated those terms while he wrestled. To say he doesn't deserve alot, is different from saying he isn't worth alot.. Getting what you deserve and getting what you're worth are two different conversations. Being an alleged "wrestling fan", which I'm sure he claims to be, it's disrespectful to say Mick Foley doesn't deserve alot. I think it comes across as being an unintelligent and disrespectful little dweeb. I agree with most of what you said as far as business goes, but I didn't confront him over his business view. It's both. He doesn't deserve a lot because he already received compensation while he wrestled, and if that wasn't enough then he should've held out then. And he isn't worth as much as he thinks he's worth. The WWE, Mattel, etc. do not need Mick Foley to make money off their product. They can sell their product by peddling someone else. Mattel doesn't even need Hulk Hogan to be successful. It's both. He already got what he deserves. He got paychecks when he wrestled. And clearly the WWE doesn't need him bad enough to pay him what he wants. He can hold out. That's his business. WWE can just sign someone else. That's their business.
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Post by rustyy on Apr 23, 2014 1:33:12 GMT -5
Explained perfectly. Please explain to me what he does now to warrant a fat check like he's begging for? Hint:The 90's aren't now. He didn't explain anything. He definitely didn't explain what you meant... He shared his point of view. He did explain just like I did. Mick got his money from wrestling and he was paid when he wrestled. He does not wrestle now, so he doesn't get paid. He can have a legends contract but apparently that's not up to his standards so now he gets nothing. What does he want so much money for? He does NOTHING. WWE don't need him. His 15 million dollar networth makes this even more petty. He's over estimating himself.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 23, 2014 1:33:28 GMT -5
To say he doesn't deserve alot, is different from saying he isn't worth alot.. Getting what you deserve and getting what you're worth are two different conversations. Being an alleged "wrestling fan", which I'm sure he claims to be, it's disrespectful to say Mick Foley doesn't deserve alot. I think it comes across as being an unintelligent and disrespectful little dweeb. I agree with most of what you said as far as business goes, but I didn't confront him over his business view. It's both. He doesn't deserve a lot because he already received compensation while he wrestled, and if those were too small then he should've held out then. And he isn't worth as much as he thinks he's worth. The WWE, Mattel, etc. do not need Mick Foley to make money off their product. They can sell their product by peddling someone else. Mattel doesn't even need Hulk Hogan to be successful. It's both. He already got what he deserves. He got paychecks when he wrestled. And clearly the WWE doesn't need him bad enough to pay him what he wants. He can hold out. That's his business. WWE can just sign someone else. That's their business. No, it's not both. What you deserve, and what you're worth are two very, very different conversations. Mick Foley is a New York Times bestselling author with a net worth of over $15 million dollars... I don't think he's bitching or begging because he's desperate for cash. I think he's asking for what he's owed. Because according to him he wasn't even given that.. If what he deserve is what he originally set up the contract for, then that is absolutely what he deserves. That in no way reflects what he's worth because I can guarantee his "Legend's deal" wasn't even close to a $15 million dollar paycheck. Mick Foley doesn't need WWE, Mattel, etc. to make money for himself. If you wanna talk business we can talk business.. But I didn't attack the other guy to talk with him the rights and wrongs of a business decision.
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