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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 21:58:33 GMT -5
What would your rather see return to the WWE?
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 7, 2013 22:11:18 GMT -5
King of the Ring as the June PPV.
Blood should be used very sparingly on PPVs, vulgar language isn't needed, the Brand Extension has been played out, the Draft is useless without a brand extension, and seperate brand PPVs for the most part sucked. And again, you'd need the brand extension.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Sept 7, 2013 22:11:40 GMT -5
I went with King of the Ring. I always loved the tournaments leading up to the PPv's. Lesnar winning was my all time favorite.
Blood is a second choice. Not in every match, but maybe a few times a year, or in a feud that helps add to the build of the feud. Lesnar/HHH was a good example, even thoigh it wasn't on purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 22:15:52 GMT -5
 Adds so much to the story. Bring it back. |
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Post by Spear Guy on Sept 7, 2013 22:20:53 GMT -5
BLOOD!!!!
It's necessary sometimes. Complete beat downs need blood.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 22:26:14 GMT -5
I don't get why they "banned" blood. Really, if kids saw wrestlers bleed I doubt kids would wanna wrestle at home cause they would know that it can hurt and whatnot. I think it would be better to show that wrestlers aren't immortal (Unless you're John Cena cause then you apperently are  ing God) so the kids would learn that. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 22:30:35 GMT -5
King of the Ring. There really is no need for blood, chairshots to the head or vulgar language.
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Post by The Yes Man on Sept 7, 2013 22:32:57 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Charisma on Sept 7, 2013 22:47:22 GMT -5
King of the Ring.
While I do miss blood and chairshots, I do miss the potential of some good storylines to come out of KOR and the chance to elevate a wrestler.
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Post by Charlie f'n Kelly on Sept 7, 2013 22:48:37 GMT -5
Brand Extension, and that would then bring the Draft back, and then maybe have the PPV's alternate between Raw and Smackdown, so then a story on one of the shows has two months to build up to a PPV and we won't have to see the same match on the PPVs over and over and over again.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 23:02:31 GMT -5
Brand Extension, and that would then bring the Draft back, and then maybe have the PPV's alternate between Raw and Smackdown, so then a story on one of the shows has two months to build up to a PPV and we won't have to see the same match on the PPVs over and over and over again. And then they come together for the King of the Ring. I like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 23:43:34 GMT -5
To be honest I voted for Separate PPV's for each Show because then we can have separate brands again and not have the shows mixed. It makes you not want to watch Smackdown because you're just watching a repeat of Raw with the same guys. I used to watch Smackdown all the time but ever since the brands spilt and just became 2 shows shared with the whole roster I've stopped watching. Sure I want blood and language, but it's not 100% necessary
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 23:46:54 GMT -5
Brand Extension, and that would then bring the Draft back, and then maybe have the PPV's alternate between Raw and Smackdown, so then a story on one of the shows has two months to build up to a PPV and we won't have to see the same match on the PPVs over and over and over again. I voted for blood because I think it adds to programs when it's used sparingly and only for big events. I like the idea of bringing back a set of wrestling rules that are enforced as well. Daniel Bryan's #1 Yes Man suggested that I believe. My second choice was the brand extension. The reason I was always a fan of the brand extension is the reason Chuckbag cited, the shows have two months to build up feuds to ppvs. Sometimes feuds feel forced when there are monthly guidelines to meet. |
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Post by dgnr8 on Sept 7, 2013 23:46:59 GMT -5
I want to see WWE find their balls again.
We're missing our edge. We don't get that unrestrained, dangerous and unpredictable nature that modern pro-wrestling owes it's rebirth to. I'm not saying that we need profanity and blood every Monday, but I'm not NOT saying that either. Those elements combine with a cerebral storyline and quality talent to create what pro-wrestling is at its most basic: Intense, violent and entertaining. I expect to be crucified for saying it, especially since the cool thing to do on the internet nowadays is to defend the PG bullish*t and knock the Attitude Era, but that's what we're missing. Its not just one thing.
To everyone here who has been watching wrestling for MORE than 10 years; when, since roughly 2003, was the last legitimate fantastically unbelievable, mark-out, awe-inspiring HOLY SH*T moment? Punk's work-shoot promo? Nothing feels big any more.
The problems started when WWE (then WWF) went public. Decisions began to be made not in the interest of the end product, but in the interest of the companies' stockholders. Quality of the product is allowed to suffer in exchange for maximum financial return. We're not looking at what's best for the company, fans or talent, but instead "Whats gonna sell the most merchandise?" I don't accept that we have to appeal to children and families as a core demographic to improve business. In fact, its rare these days that WWE sells out any facility they utilize. But I remember a time when we sold out in EVERY VENUE. And guess what? We were damn near too edgy for cable back then.
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Post by slappy on Sept 8, 2013 0:06:04 GMT -5
I want to see WWE find their balls again. We're missing our edge. We don't get that unrestrained, dangerous and unpredictable nature that modern pro-wrestling owes it's rebirth to. I'm not saying that we need profanity and blood every Monday, but I'm not NOT saying that either. Those elements combine with a cerebral storyline and quality talent to create what pro-wrestling is at its most basic: Intense, violent and entertaining. I expect to be crucified for saying it, especially since the cool thing to do on the internet nowadays is to defend the PG bullish*t and knock the Attitude Era, but that's what we're missing. Its not just one thing. To everyone here who has been watching wrestling for MORE than 10 years; when, since roughly 2003, was the last legitimate fantastically unbelievable, mark-out, awe-inspiring HOLY SH*T moment? Punk's work-shoot promo? Nothing feels big any more. The problems started when WWE (then WWF) went public. Decisions began to be made not in the interest of the end product, but in the interest of the companies' stockholders. Quality of the product is allowed to suffer in exchange for maximum financial return. We're not looking at what's best for the company, fans or talent, but instead "Whats gonna sell the most merchandise?" I don't accept that we have to appeal to children and families as a core demographic to improve business. In fact, its rare these days that WWE sells out any facility they utilize. But I remember a time when we sold out in EVERY VENUE. And guess what? We were damn near too edgy for cable back then. It is not "cool" to defend "PG bullcrap." It's always been "cool" to look back on the Attitude Era as the greatest thing ever and crap on today. It really does suck that we can't risk wrestlers lives with chairshots to the head or constantly have blood. You want those kinds of moments in the past 10 years? Outside of one, I'll give you moments from the past few years. Both times the ring broke with Big Show taking a move off the top. HHH/Taker double return and staredown. Truth turning heel. The walkout. Nexus debut. Punk winning the WWE title. Punk returning with Cult of Personality. The Raw's after WrestleMania the past two years. The Administration's (New Corporation) official debut the night after SummerSlam. For me, Miz winning the WWE title. There have been tons of matches since 2003 that have had those kinds of moments. Punk/Cena matches, Taker's latest Mania matches, Cesaro/Zayn, Bryan going nuts against the Shield in the moment that made him the top face. And there are plenty more. Sure, Bryan isn't driving a soy milk truck and spraying McMahons/HHH/Orton with it or filling HHH's car with concrete or blowing up Randy's bus. Even if we got those moments, Attitude Era marks would attack it and say Austin did it better. If every show is filled with big moments and random surprises and twists and turns then it'd get old fast. Then the only way to surprise us would be to have no surprises. There doesn't seem to be any way of pleasing those who are high on nostalgia. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 0:15:11 GMT -5
Wrestling is better now than it was in the Attitude Era.
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Post by slappy on Sept 8, 2013 0:24:33 GMT -5
Wrestling is better now than it was in the Attitude Era. It really hasn't held up well. Going back and seeing Rikishi vs Val Venis? D-Lo vs Jeff Jarrett? Test against the Mean Street Posse? I'll pass. I know that isn't main event stuff and some main event stuff has held up but non-main event stuff really hasn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 0:26:55 GMT -5
KOTR as a legitimate pay per view with meaning
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Post by dgnr8 on Sept 8, 2013 0:27:33 GMT -5
I want to see WWE find their balls again. We're missing our edge. We don't get that unrestrained, dangerous and unpredictable nature that modern pro-wrestling owes it's rebirth to. I'm not saying that we need profanity and blood every Monday, but I'm not NOT saying that either. Those elements combine with a cerebral storyline and quality talent to create what pro-wrestling is at its most basic: Intense, violent and entertaining. I expect to be crucified for saying it, especially since the cool thing to do on the internet nowadays is to defend the PG bullish*t and knock the Attitude Era, but that's what we're missing. Its not just one thing. To everyone here who has been watching wrestling for MORE than 10 years; when, since roughly 2003, was the last legitimate fantastically unbelievable, mark-out, awe-inspiring HOLY SH*T moment? Punk's work-shoot promo? Nothing feels big any more. The problems started when WWE (then WWF) went public. Decisions began to be made not in the interest of the end product, but in the interest of the companies' stockholders. Quality of the product is allowed to suffer in exchange for maximum financial return. We're not looking at what's best for the company, fans or talent, but instead "Whats gonna sell the most merchandise?" I don't accept that we have to appeal to children and families as a core demographic to improve business. In fact, its rare these days that WWE sells out any facility they utilize. But I remember a time when we sold out in EVERY VENUE. And guess what? We were damn near too edgy for cable back then. It is not "cool" to defend "PG bullcrap." It's always been "cool" to look back on the Attitude Era as the greatest thing ever and crap on today. It really does suck that we can't risk wrestlers lives with chairshots to the head or constantly have blood. You want those kinds of moments in the past 10 years? Both times the ring broke with Big Show taking a move off the top. HHH/Taker double return and staredown. Truth turning heel. The walkout. Nexus debut. Punk winning the WWE title. Punk returning with Cult of Personality. The Raw's after WrestleMania the past two years. The Administration's (New Corporation) official debut the night after SummerSlam. For me, Miz winning the WWE title. There have been tons of matches since 2003 that have had those kinds of moments. Punk/Cena matches, Taker's latest Mania matches, Cesaro/Zayn, Bryan going nuts against the Shield in the moment that made him the top face. And there are plenty more. Sure, Bryan isn't driving a soy milk truck and spraying McMahons/HHH/Orton with it or filling HHH's car with concrete or blowing up Randy's bus. Even if we got those moments, Attitude Era marks would attack it and say Austin did it better. If every show is filled with big moments and random surprises and twists and turns then it'd get old fast. Then the only way to surprise us would be to have no surprises. There doesn't seem to be any way of pleasing those who are high on nostalgia. You, my friend, are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. This isn't a matter of being high on nostalgia, and I don't expect anyone to do the impossible; you can never please everyone. What I KNOW is that none of the special little moments you listed hold a candle to what we used to have, save for the Punk work/shoot storyline and the first and legitimate ring collapse. Everything else has been a heavily watered down, cheap imitation of what WWE used to be. The closest we've come to that old excitement is the Money In The Bank, which even now has become a bastardized version of what it used to be. Admit it, MITB matches just aren't as exciting when the real high-flyers are removed. Entertaining? Sure. But not as good. My point is, in the grand scheme of things, and I'm sorry... nobody in hell gives two sh*ts about Miz winning the strap or Orton turning heel. What do people remember? Foley diving off the Cell. Cactus Jack's WWF debut. The inferno match. First Blood. Austin winning the title at Mania. The birth of DEGENERATION X. The birth of N.W.O. Austin/Rock. The Ministry Of Darkness. Rock/Hogan. HBK/Taker in the debut of Hell In A Cell. King Of The Ring. This is undeniable fact. And I don't say this with the intentions of stepping on anyone's toes or sh*tting on anyone's favorite era of WWE (for all those who really enjoy the current product), nor do I mean to say that we have to endanger the livelihood of the performers. And I'm not saying that there's nothing redeemable about the current product... I am all about some Dolph Ziggler. What I am saying is THERE IS A LOT MISSING THAT COULD DRASTICALLY IMPROVE THE PRODUCT. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 8, 2013 0:27:36 GMT -5
King of the Ring. Although, we've discussed, ad nauseam, how the MITB case has really replaced the concept for the most part. It would be nice to line a guy up for a World Title shot at SummerSlam though in a true effort to elevate a younger star.
Anything involving a brand split or the draft, or separate PPVs all fall into the same category for me. That being, I have no desire to see any of it. WWE diluted their product with the brand split. The only positive I can see coming out of a brand split would be to reestablish the WHC, which WWE could just do right now if they tried.
Blood and chair shots to the head just aren't going to make it back on WWE TV imo. I don't mind blood in a big time moment where it could add value to a match, but it's not like WWE can't produce a great product without it.
More than anything, I'd just really like to see WWE come out with something new. Where is the next Elimination Chamber or Hell in a Cell? What is the next step in the evolution of elevating talent. The MITB concept has really run its course, so what's next? Maybe freshen up old ideas like War Games. Just push the creative in an effort to not be so conventional, or worse yet, predictable.
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