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Post by poindizzle on May 25, 2012 10:20:28 GMT -5
I was just thinking about how much more likely I would have been to collect the legends if they had always had a separate line of basics, since I have only recently started to go back and fill the gaps in my legend collection.
I personally love the heritage basic Legends, and it got me wondering how the Legends line would have fared at retail if they had released both basics and a separate line of Elites. By nature of the basic line we could have gotten many more attires for the wrestlers.
A great example of a figure I thought was very nice from wave 2 was Jimmy Snuka and I thought it was neat to get a little more obscure outfit for him, but there was no reason to not have gotten a barefoot iconic one as well, and we could have possibly had both with a basic line. The elite line could have served to have the more elaborate tight designs as well as entrance gear and belts like they ended up doing. There are legends I would love to have, but I don't know if sales-wise they would have been worth doing, so the basic line could have justified their creation.
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Post by jrjumpshot on May 25, 2012 10:23:35 GMT -5
I personally don't care for the elite style, so I would have loved to have seen the Legends in the basic form.
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Post by Bandalero on May 25, 2012 10:32:45 GMT -5
I personally don't care for the elite style, so I would have loved to have seen the Legends in the basic form. and on the contrary i don't care for the basic style. If we're paying $20 for these legends it better have all available articulation possible.
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Post by turysummerale on May 25, 2012 10:42:45 GMT -5
I think it would have not sell but thats coming from a guy that only buys elites i dont dig basic
though i must admit the rr heritage shawn michaels is an awesome figure
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Post by lenzeski247 on May 25, 2012 10:42:57 GMT -5
Basics suck tbh. Sure there good for giving us some more obscure figures like Jinder MaHall, Trent B, The Uso's etc that we probably would never get in elite form, but the articulation stinks bad. You can't pose them into nothing, and not only that, but when there just standing there they look to small and like there standing so un natural. Plus lack of accessories make them lame to. Sure you could buy Ralphs gear but in the end, by doing that, your paying $30 for a basic figure that still don't match up to elite standards. Not worth it imo. I think they should just kill the whole basic line off eventually. First get rid of Flex force, then rumblers, then basics and leave it down to all elites. There the only ones that seem to sell everywhere as every store for 2 hours around me is loaded with nothing but basics and barely any elites. Legends would not last in basic form either and would def kill that line even worse. We barely get legends as elite and struggle to keep what we got so it will never happen in basic form. I'm just happy about 95% with the elite line. Some minor changes to it could be made but other than that, its perfect.
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Post by JC Motors on May 25, 2012 11:11:27 GMT -5
Jakks Classic Superstars were basically the equivalent of Mattel Basics. Also we did manage to get a few basic legends, Ricky Steamboat, Ultimate Warrior, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and Eddie Guerrero, and The Rock and Steve Austin Basis.
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Post by poindizzle on May 25, 2012 11:16:49 GMT -5
Basics suck tbh. Sure there good for giving us some more obscure figures like Jinder MaHall, Trent B, The Uso's etc that we probably would never get in elite form, but the articulation stinks bad. You can't pose them into nothing, and not only that, but when there just standing there they look to small and like there standing so un natural. Plus lack of accessories make them lame to. Sure you could buy Ralphs gear but in the end, by doing that, your paying $30 for a basic figure that still don't match up to elite standards. Not worth it imo. I think they should just kill the whole basic line off eventually. First get rid of Flex force, then rumblers, then basics and leave it down to all elites. There the only ones that seem to sell everywhere as every store for 2 hours around me is loaded with nothing but basics and barely any elites. Legends would not last in basic form either and would def kill that line even worse. We barely get legends as elite and struggle to keep what we got so it will never happen in basic form. I'm just happy about 95% with the elite line. Some minor changes to it could be made but other than that, its perfect. This argument (which is fine, everybody is different and people like different things) labors under the conception that basics are collected and liked by such a small group that it doesn't merit to make them. The basis of that information is from one small region of the country where the Elites outsell basic. Around here Basics outsell Elites. It's a regional thing. Basic sell really well overall, probably neck and neck with Elites. I happen to like the basics and Elites equally. I love Elite Articulation and the shirts look nice, but several of the basics have better body sculpts, like Christian, who in Elite form is thin and has an hourglass figure. The cost factor doesn't really come into it for me since I collect both heavily, but for some the pricepoint makes basic more appealing. The other thing that has been explained thoroughly in other threads is that killing the other lines will NOT increase the budget spent on the elite line. Each line and more specifically each wave (and this has been verified by the MDT) has it's own budget. That's why, for instance, some waves will have shiny belts and some have dull. The first thing to consider, is that the folks at Mattel do market research and if a line is selling they will continue to make it and if it doesn't (like the legends) then it will be cancelled. Could FlexForce be on the outs? Maybe, maybe not. The second thing to consider is that if only one product is available, they would have to sell quite a bit more of that product (a lot more) just to be able to keep the overall brand alive. You've got to spend money to make money. They spend on extra lines like FF and Rumblers and that generates extra revenue. And if that line doesn't turn a profit it gets cancelled. FlexForce makes them money. They've said it time and again. The third thing, is IF they did kill the sub-lines and only make Elites and the budget went up, the cost of the product would have to go up to match.
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Post by poindizzle on May 25, 2012 11:22:39 GMT -5
Also, the point of my post was to see if people would have been interested back when the legends started to have had basics. I know it wouldn't happen now, and I certainly don't think that the premium priced figures on Matty should be basic. I just wanted to see if there could have ever been a market for a Legends basic line. My inclinations point to yes. It was stated in an above reply that the Jakks Classic Superstars was a basic line and it was more than healthy.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 25, 2012 13:12:17 GMT -5
Elite are like fully loaded cars. You get power windows, power seats, sunroof and leather interior. Basics are the inferior product with crank down windows, no sunroof and cloth seats.
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Post by qdogg on May 25, 2012 13:26:35 GMT -5
Lolz I paid less for alot of my Legends than I did for the heritage basics I bought lately. In fact the bottommed out prices of Legends in the summer of last year is what got me started collecting Mattel. Ive got most of the first 5 waves of legends and paid 10 bucks or less for ALL of them except my L4 Warrior and L6 Warrior.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 25, 2012 13:30:17 GMT -5
I thought Mattel was great with the Heritage line and I wish we were still getting those figures mixed in honestly. I was a big fan of the Entrance Greats line so I love the Basics with Elite accessories. Anyway we can get Legend or Flashback style figures is good with me.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2012 13:35:08 GMT -5
Elite are like fully loaded cars. You get power windows, power seats, sunroof and leather interior. Basics are the inferior product with crank down windows, no sunroof and cloth seats. Basics are too stiff, They share the same articulation as Barbies... would be great for my daughters but I prefer Elites ^ Sunroof
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Post by morenomark on May 25, 2012 14:32:30 GMT -5
If Legends had come out in Basic form, I would have bought them all. As it is, I bought the first series and, to me, the ankle problems were a turnoff. Every Legend I have bought since then has been at clearance or in discount stores for $5 or $6. I bought all the Heritage Legends for $10 each and would happily buy more.
If I were Mattel, I would have started the Legends as Basics and, if those sold, I would have moved on to selling limited Legends as Elites. After 28 series of Jakks, collectors were used to the Basic / RA articulation; Jakks Deluxe Legends died on the pegs in a lot of areas. + cheaper price point means more casual sales.
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Post by Von Hooten on May 25, 2012 15:39:25 GMT -5
I do prefer the Elite style but I wouldn't have minded a Basic style. I guess it all comes down to the eye of the beholder.
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