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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 3, 2011 23:49:40 GMT -5
If there was no Hogan, there would be no Cena. Bottom F***ing line! As if there weren't guys who set the stage for Hulk? If it wasn't for guys like Billy Graham, Bruno Sammartino, and most importantly, Vince McMahon, Hulk would have passed out of the mainstream by 1986. I think Andre at WM was one of the biggest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 23:51:49 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but Cena is worse than Hogan. Case and point, right ing here: I mean, had that taken place back in the old days, you wouldn't see that guy for like 2 months. He would be on the shelf. But, Cena?? After getting blown the up, I believe he came out on Raw the very next night without ANY marks on him and not even selling it. Cena is by FAR worse than Hogan. That video proves it. False. That video proves nothing other than Edge won a match at Backlash 2009, but your comments prove your stupidity. Cena sold that spotlight smash for weeks - it's what allowed Miz to keep calling him out and claiming forfeit victories when he wasn't there/able to compete. You are FAR sillier than anyone. Your post proves it. I'm glad I'm not the only one that is here to point that out
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Post by HugoOne on Feb 4, 2011 0:43:54 GMT -5
If there was no Hogan, there would be no Cena. Bottom F***ing line! This is the worst argument ever. In existence. There's no reason Cena can't do what Hogan did better, just because Hogan came first. Just because Hogan helped put WWE on the map doesn't excuse him from his crapty performances and ego that refused to put many wrestlers over. Did you know that Mr. Perfect was scheduled to win the 1990 Royal Rumble but Hogan argued it and Perfect had to settle for runner up, DESPITE THE FACT that Hogan was the Champion anyway and the belt wasn't even on the line? Say what you want about Cena but he doesn't pull power plays like Hogan used to. Not to mention, the 80's WERE a different place. You can't compare Hogan and Cena without taking into account the time period, the way wrestling was presented, and how it was viewed in the 80's. I mean hell, you put Hogan in today's era and he'd be slaughtered like Triple H in 2002/2003; terrible wrestler who didn't put other people over, and even worse, made them look like garbage. You put Cena in the 80's and there's no reason he couldn't have done what Hogan did; he just wasn't the first one to do it, but that fact alone doesn't mean he can't be better at it.
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Post by Ben on Feb 4, 2011 1:00:07 GMT -5
Hogan taking everything and hulking up was his specialty. Cena is protrayed as "just another guy" on the roster and that's why it's so annoying that he can't lose a clean match. That and we're in the 10s now... That superhero thing may have been in the 80s. They are totally different times and eras. After watching a beer drinking "take no poop" rebel carry the company for the last decade, going back to the cookie cutter "eat your vitimins, say your prayers" face is a HUGE step-backwards. WWE should be evolving and getting better. Not going backwards. Really, why should WWE try something new? If "Superman" sells, there is no reason to try another formula. In most movies there is a clear cut good guy, so why shouldn't wrestling have that?
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Post by No Brokeback on Feb 4, 2011 1:24:36 GMT -5
All I can say, is back in the 80's, wrestling was more...hmm, believable? Sure there were arguments of the real vs fake, but they never really broke character and damn sure never admitted it was fake or what they were doing was an act.
Although most people knew it was fake, that stuff really didn't show up until 2000, when they revealed the business to everyone, which some wrestlers are still against to this day.
Seeing Hulk Hogan overcome the odds with GREAT villains was something amazing to see. Notice 'Great' villains, something WWE lacks today. Without a great villain, then what is an okay face? Cena doesn't have what Hogan had, which is a great villain, so everything he does normally comes off as boring, predictable bullcrap.
At least Hogan had Macho Man, Ultimate Warrior, Zeus, Slaughter. People who stayed in the business for quite some time, and mostly stayed near the main event or high midcard spot. Cena's villains, once he beats them..they're gone. Look at Khali, Umaga, and even Brock Lesnar (who was more popular than John Cena was, and probably still would be if he stuck around)
Cena has a good heart for the fans, but the stories aren't epic.
People who bitch about the '5 moves of doom' and he can't act is missing the point on what makes a top star a top draw. That's having cool merchandise and compelling storylines to keep a character fresh.
Never has their been such a split, right down the middle of kids who like a main 'face' and adults who hate him.
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Post by jfinnomore on Feb 4, 2011 2:31:56 GMT -5
If there was no Hogan, there would be no Cena. Bottom F***ing line! and without Guy Rodgers there would be no Michael Jordan, but which one is better?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 2:47:01 GMT -5
Hogan taking everything and hulking up was his specialty. Cena is protrayed as "just another guy" on the roster and that's why it's so annoying that he can't lose a clean match. That and we're in the 10s now... That superhero thing may have been in the 80s. They are totally different times and eras. After watching a beer drinking "take no poop" rebel carry the company for the last decade, going back to the cookie cutter "eat your vitimins, say your prayers" face is a HUGE step-backwards. WWE should be evolving and getting better. Not going backwards. Really, why should WWE try something new? If "Superman" sells, there is no reason to try another formula. In most movies there is a clear cut good guy, so why shouldn't wrestling have that? Because movies end in 2 hours. People get sick of John Cena overcoming the odds every week, its probably the worst its ever been now. It also helped that Hulk Hogan wasn't on TV so much. and jfinamore, Michael Jordan is obviously better. But not because he came after Guy Rodgers, but because he is the most famous basketball player of all-time. Hulk Hogan is the most famous wrestler of all-time, the guy who put WWE on the map, the guy IS wrestling. Hulk Hogan > John Cena, how anybody can debate that is beyond me. You may LIKE Cena more, but he didn't do more for wrestling... he isn't the greater superstar, no way.
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Post by jfinnomore on Feb 4, 2011 2:56:07 GMT -5
Really, why should WWE try something new? If "Superman" sells, there is no reason to try another formula. In most movies there is a clear cut good guy, so why shouldn't wrestling have that? Because movies end in 2 hours. People get sick of John Cena overcoming the odds every week, its probably the worst its ever been now. It also helped that Hulk Hogan wasn't on TV so much. and jfinamore, Michael Jordan is obviously better. But not because he came after Guy Rodgers, but because he is the most famous basketball player of all-time. Hulk Hogan is the most famous wrestler of all-time, the guy who put WWE on the map, the guy IS wrestling. Hulk Hogan > John Cena, how anybody can debate that is beyond me. You may LIKE Cena more, but he didn't do more for wrestling... he isn't the greater superstar, no way. just making the point that you can't say just cause Hogan paved the way that he's better than Cena. and you could argue Cena could be or as great as Hogan, just like people argue Lebron is the next Jordan or Crosby is the next great one. will it come to pass? doubtful but its possibly.
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Post by Cody Rhodes Fan on Feb 4, 2011 3:09:47 GMT -5
While I agree that Cena overcoming the odds all of the time is stale, he is much better than Hogan. Cena just plays the hand he is dealt while Hogan demands a new hand when he isn't satisfied or in the spotlight and then refuses to participate if its not done his way. When I was a kid I liked Hogan but I have been rewatching shows from back then and I realize how much of a spotlight hog he really is. I mean in rumbles, if a friend helps him out, then Hogan just turns around and stabs them in the back and eliminates them (Warrior, Macho Man, Tugboat). Then there is the Sid incident where Sid threw him out so he pulled a hissy fit and made sure Sid lost. Another example is Wrestlemania 9. Bret and Yokozuna's title match, a match Hogan was not even a part of and yet he comes out and he gets to leave with the belt. These are just a few of my examples but I just wanted to chime in here because I was just talking about this to my brother actually.
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Post by Gazza on Feb 4, 2011 9:10:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but Cena is worse than Hogan. Case and point, right ing here: I mean, had that taken place back in the old days, you wouldn't see that guy for like 2 months. He would be on the shelf. But, Cena?? After getting blown the up, I believe he came out on Raw the very next night without ANY marks on him and not even selling it. Cena is by FAR worse than Hogan. That video proves it.
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 4, 2011 10:09:19 GMT -5
There's no way Cena will ever be better than Hulk Hogan. I'm not a Hogan fan at all, but your comment was just incredibly disrespectful. Hogan has done way more for this business than Cena ever will. I love how when someones has "done more" in the business it makes them instantly better than anyone else, seriously stfu.
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Post by No Brokeback on Feb 4, 2011 10:43:58 GMT -5
There's no way Cena will ever be better than Hulk Hogan. I'm not a Hogan fan at all, but your comment was just incredibly disrespectful. Hogan has done way more for this business than Cena ever will. I love how when someones has "done more" in the business it makes them instantly better than anyone else, seriously stfu. To be fair, Cena didn't revolutionize wrestling in the 80's and turn it on it's head in the 90's. Cena is just a face forced upon the fans...at least the kids love it. People who say that Hogan didn't do much or that Cena is better than him....didn't watch in the 80's or WCW much in the 90's to even care. This time is now, and that's all that matters and 'now' Cena is the top face, and to fans, that's all that matters. The past doesn't mean much to them. If it does, it's just something for them to shrug off and pretend like it never mattered.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 4, 2011 10:54:18 GMT -5
I love how when someones has "done more" in the business it makes them instantly better than anyone else, seriously stfu. To be fair, Cena didn't revolutionize wrestling in the 80's and turn it on it's head in the 90's. Cena is just a face forced upon the fans...at least the kids love it. People who say that Hogan didn't do much or that Cena is better than him....didn't watch in the 80's or WCW much in the 90's to even care. This time is now, and that's all that matters and 'now' Cena is the top face, and to fans, that's all that matters. The past doesn't mean much to them. If it does, it's just something for them to shrug off and pretend like it never mattered. Well said.
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Post by D.B.K. on Feb 4, 2011 11:00:19 GMT -5
Well. John Cena is basically WWE's new version of Hulk Hogan...
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Post by antihero on Feb 4, 2011 11:10:51 GMT -5
Eh, I grew up in the 80s and Hogan will always be THE pro wrestler to me. If someone says wrestling the image I get in my mind is Hulk Hogan.
Having said, I like Cena. I agree he hasn't done as much for his industry as Hogan has, but that has nothing to do with their abilities/talent. Is one better than the other, maybe. But to me it's a lot like comparing athletes from different eras. To compare Cena now to Hogan then is hard to do since the industry itself is different.
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Post by k5 on Feb 4, 2011 13:01:05 GMT -5
he sucks, that's basically the end of it.
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Post by the hell demon on Feb 4, 2011 16:54:53 GMT -5
While I don't like how they're currently using Cena and how corny he is. Having recently watched this, I've gained a lot more respect for him.
Dude is a star and always has been. I would seriously take a Cena over a Hogan any day. Cena at least cares about the company. Hogan's only in it for the money.
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