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Post by BHG738 on Aug 24, 2010 11:02:02 GMT -5
I would love to collect them I really would but I just can't seem to get into them. I hate: 1/ The joints - I feel I have to go Elite because the classics (which I would mainly buy) are Elite but I cant deal with all the different joints - especialy the stomach. 2/ Scans - Many of the face scans are not good enough. 3/ Girth - Most of all the actual girth of the figures are putting me off - I dont see why the MOTU figs can be decent chunky figs but these are skinny little nothings. That said I do like: 1/ Scale - I love the fact they are scaled height wise. 2/ Selection - They are producing figs Jakks never got around to i.e. 90s heel Jake 3/ Detail - Correct boots etc. The problem is that the first three points are killing the other three points for me. I bought my first Elite recently to try and tempt me in but I just couldn't take to it. I actulay just want to bin it!!! It's worth noting that I am an older collector who opens for display. Is anyone else having similar issues or am I just an old man odd ball?
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Post by Boy Wonder on Aug 24, 2010 11:29:20 GMT -5
The joints are what got me into them. As well as the realistic body proportions. He-man figures are over the top, ridiculous looking barbarian figures (which is why I love them), however these figures are based on real people who aren't over the top balloon people. And most of the scans are good enough for me. I find them to be on par with most of Jakks and in some cases are better.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 24, 2010 11:29:58 GMT -5
While I am not having a problem buying them, I do agree with your complaints. I am an "older" collector that displays loose as well so we are in the same boat regarding use of the figures.
I hate the torso joint. The only Legends figure I have displayed is Steamboat and he is wearing a gi so it completely covers the stomach. My solution to the torso problem is picking up the Legends in the EG sets, all of Jericho, Piper and HBK are some of the best figures Mattel has produced imo. Dibiase is pretty amazing as well. In addition, and as I mentioned before, leaving the accessories on the figures sort of helps either disguise or completely cover up the ugly.
The scans, they are hit or miss. EG or Basic Jericho, E4 Kane, B4 Ziggler, 2p7 Punk, I mean there have been some really amazing scans so far but at the same time there have been some bad ones. E4 JoMo is a really great figure but the scan is kind of goofy. I don't think Mattel is any better or worse than Jakks at this though because Jakks was hit or miss as well, especially with all the open mouth scans.
Girth, again I agree but it is all relative to the figure. Like I know some people talked about the McIntyre figure but I think he is pretty lean in real life. Road Warrior Animal, I see the problem. Matt Hardy, we will leave that one alone. So there are issues based on a particular figure.
Overall though, these are the same problems we have had with all figure lines always. Some figures are amazing, some are not so amazing. I think Mattel has done a pretty great job so far. Especially, since I have a Ricky Steamboat figure 1 series into the Legends line. Belts won't have annoying zipper straps, and baloon arms are strictly set aside for my TNA collection. As someone who displays only, my shelf has Jakks, Mattel, and Marvel TNA figures displayed so I think there is a place for any guy you cheer for each week. You can essentially cherry pick the great figures from each line which is what I have always done. I would also recommend not locking yourself into just the Elite line as some of the Basics are really great.
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Aug 24, 2010 11:54:45 GMT -5
Not I. I am an older MOC wrestling figure collector. I try not to compare this figure to that figure and this company to that company. Each company has a different identity, meaning they will produce products with unique identities. Therefore, you should try to compare figures to their respective companies past work. For example, I "hate" on Jakks, at times, because I know Jakks had/have potential to produce great wrestling figures. Jakks created arguably one of the best classic wrestling figure lines to date. Were all the figures perfect? No, but the figures were unique, life-like and set the bar for their time. Jakks is not Mattel, nor will they ever be (unless an acquisition is made).
In comparison, Mattel is not trying to mimic Jakks. Mattel is creating their own identity by improving on wrestling figure detail, scale and likeness. Keep in mind, this does not imply Mattel's product is perfect. For example, in my opinion, the head sculpts for some of the Legends are awful, most notably the Snuka, Hacksaw, and Piper (two-pack) figures. I am confident Mattel will improve this area in the future but only time will tell.
In my opinion, the major reason there are Mattel detractors is due to ideological reasoning similar to entrenched political ideologies. Mattel detractors feel obligated to not like Mattel because of allegiance or fear of change. They feel lambasted by the Mattel product. Mattel detractors feel forced to change their collection or add something to a collection which does not match, which in turn forces them to spend additional disposable income. In doing so, this forces them to compare Mattel figures with Jakks figures, which you cannot. For example, if you had nothing to compare Mattel to, would you honestly come to the conclusion these figures are not appealing? I highly doubt it.
I think collectors should stop pressuring Mattel detractors. Everyone is entitle to their own opinions, likes and dislikes. However, if you love wrestling and action figures, I recommend being open. Nothing is perfect, there is a positive and negative with everything. Try to recognize Mattel for what it is rather than what it is not. You will probably have a better overall collecting experience. Lastly, time heals all wounds. I am sure you will find many people which dislike Mattel, start collecting certain Mattel figures in the future.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 24, 2010 12:08:42 GMT -5
I think they're the best line of action figures ever released.
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Post by Bandalero on Aug 24, 2010 12:11:40 GMT -5
I'm an older collector as well but the torso joint doesn't phase me in the least. I actually welcome change, and after 30+ years of wrestling toys, I'd expect articulation and sculpt to evolve.
I think a lot of the older collectors are being much too harsh on Mattel for head-scans, yes there are misses like JoMo, but there's at least five others that are dead on. As for Legends, they have to sculpt them and they do a damn good job with it.
Mattel Elites (especially) are based on real life counterparts so I'm really happy about the scale, attention to detail, and body type. Guys like Dusty, Kamala, and upcoming Vader now have the perfect body type! You can't argue with Ric Rude's body type and I'll be damned if you can find another Randy Orton toy that looks almost exactly like him.
If you don't like points of articulation so be it. I don't play with my figures, I display them so the arcitulation is great. And I've always said, true wrestling toys should be able to pull off basic moves like a boston crab!
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Post by sonofanarchy on Aug 24, 2010 12:13:57 GMT -5
The only reason I fell off with Mattel is because I fell off with wrestling. I was a wrestling fan my whole life. Now, it is all about the MMA. So, I took to Mattel I just did not stick with it.
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Post by Obi-TruLove on Aug 24, 2010 12:15:33 GMT -5
The joints looks pretty awesome too me, but some of them are so loose sometimes. but oh well. i dont play with em.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 24, 2010 12:23:03 GMT -5
I have no issues with Mattel.
I'm also an older collector who only displays mine. I too do not like the ab mold on Elites, but I love the basic line. So I'll buy the occasional elite to fix up my basic version of someone. Or to add the accessories to my basic.
The scale is great. Nuff said.
But, People seem to forget not all of Jakks scans were great. Yes some were outstanding, but some where not. And Mattel seems to be getting better with their scans. Not to mention we get new scans very often. Hell Punk, Miz, & Jericho all have three scans only 8 months into the line.
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Post by azraelms on Aug 24, 2010 13:35:22 GMT -5
I am an 'older' collector also, and I was on the fence about starting up with Mattel - but they have won me over. I'm an opener for display, and I stopped getting the 'current' wrestlers right about the time Jakks Collector Series started up - and I got pretty much all the CS figures I wanted. When they announced the switch to Mattel I decided I didn't want to start replacing all my old Legends figures with new versions, so I decided to start up with the current roster - basically getting one of each wrestler in the basic line. Those figures have won me over - are they perfect? No. But I do like the sculpt, scale, and articulation overall. When they announced the Legends line, I decided to get Steamboat (since he wasn't made in the Jakks line) and the Dusty since I don't have the polka dot outfit. When I saw how nice these two figures are, I decided to dive right in to the Legends line too. And after seeing what is coming up from SDCC, I am glad I did.
Jakks figures will always have a place in my collection, because I really doubt we will see wrestlers like Bruiser Brody and Abdullah the Butcher in the Mattel line (although how cool would those be?) but Mattel figures are impressing me more and more each wave.
I think the only way things could get better in this line would be if TNA folded, and McMahon bought the company outright, so those wrestlers could be done in the Mattel style.
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Post by EMW Figure Shelf on Aug 24, 2010 14:03:55 GMT -5
I had the same problem. I wanted to buy them but I just couldn't because there is no way I won't stop buying JAKKS because of TNA. (idc how bulky they are, AJ Styles can chop John Cena's head off!)
once I saw the San Diego Comic Con pics I gave in RIGHT when I saw a video of comic con and heard "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!"
then I saw rest of the figures I was like these look fantastic! now i have 30 figs and the ESR so I'm happy! I still have way more jakks but theres no way i'll ever stop collecting them as long as TNA and Jakks make figures. however if tomorrow TNA signs with Hasbro, or OSFTM or what ever, I will stop buying JAKKS.
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Aug 24, 2010 14:30:21 GMT -5
the mattel lineare my fav line of wrestling figures ever. i am an "older" collector(29) and cant get ehough of both the elite and basic line. i HATED the jakks DA line and the torso articulation but LOVE mattels elites and dont mind the articulated torso
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Aug 24, 2010 14:39:54 GMT -5
btw i think mattel figures just take some getting use to and once you do get use to them they seem perfect IMO anyway. i have some jakks fogures left and they seem WAY to bulky to me now
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Post by greenjack1992 on Aug 24, 2010 18:46:18 GMT -5
I think the problem you're facing with the girth is that JAKKs have been making very exaggeratedly proportioned figures for so long that it seems weird when you look at the more realistic looking Mattel figures.
If you look at any of the current WWE figures and then look at the real person you'll find that actually they look extremely similar, it's just that the JAKKs figures are, very literally, larger than life in their design.
I agree with you about the scans but what I've noticed is they only seem to look bad in photos but, in person, they're actually very very good, granted they aren't like the JAKKs scans which are consistently fantastic (until they have to put a beard on them) but they are very good.
Now when you talk about the joints I think it's the same as the problem you're finding with the girth, Mattel have an advantage over JAKKs here because they are a company who target collectors but, because they're producing WWE figures, they get the money of the casual fan and the parents buying for their children. This means they can afford to pay attention to detail in a way JAKKs should be doing but aren't (they can't rely on the TNA name to bring in the money like they did with WWE and, instead of appealing to the collectors as they should be, they cheap out on the figures again, as usual) so you'll find that, actually, the joints are in the correct points of the human body as opposed to the JAKKs approach of "we can bend in the middle so put a joint somewhere near there" whereas Mattel say "Where in the middle do we bend? How do we translate that into our product? What do we gain from it?" - This is shocking to us because for fifteen years JAKKs have said "Let's make new figures with TTL technology, but sometimes the arms won't have any joints at all in them because it saves money on the tiny strips of metal on their feet".
In short, BUY MATTEL YOU WON'T REGRET IT.
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Post by x on Aug 24, 2010 19:07:02 GMT -5
If you judge Mattel by what you see in pictures on the Internet, then you're making a huge mistake. They aren't very photogenic, for some reason, but in person the figures are superb. I have been collecting since 1995 and in 15 years, the greatest figure I've ever owned is mattel's Comic Con Undertaker. It's absolutly unreal. It's even better in person than any photo you could see of it.
Mattel is the superior brand with the superior product and I regret wasting all my money on Jakks figures, for all those years. I regret each and every one of my Classic Superstars 1 to 28. They failed at making a decent Papa Shango and Vader. That's how dreadful Jakks were. If you're still a Jakks supporter and a Mattel hater, you're nothing more than a bigot.
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Post by jammer311 on Aug 24, 2010 20:39:25 GMT -5
Mattel have had some horrible head scans, but same can be said for Jakks. Mattel has had some great head scans but again, same can be said for Jakks.
I think too much is put into "Mattel is better" and "Jakks is better" verbal wars that we see so often on the Mattel board and the Jakks board. Let's face facts, they are toys. We as collectors like them to look at, and kids like them to play with. That's pretty much face value at what it is.
Though, with looking at them, I think Jakks would be easier to play with, they look like they could take more punishment than the Mattel figures.
But over all, they are toys!! Just love them for what they are, collect them, admire them, do whatever you want with them. That is all.
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Post by user9327 on Aug 25, 2010 0:31:54 GMT -5
Mattel has made WWE figures on par with some of the Marvel and Star Wars figures. Jakks was more of an obsolete style for their appearance, Jakks figures are like cartoons in a way.
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Post by slappy on Aug 25, 2010 0:37:41 GMT -5
I, too, don't care for the torso joint.
But a lot of the scans are good, it's just people barrage us with some of the bad scans and that's what we assume all of them are.
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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 25, 2010 0:40:10 GMT -5
I f you judge Mattel by what you see in pictures on the Internet, then you're making a huge mistake. They aren't very photogenic, for some reason, but in person the figures are superb. I have been collecting since 1995 and in 15 years, the greatest figure I've ever owned is mattel's Comic Con Undertaker. It's absolutly unreal. It's even better in person than any photo you could see of it. Mattel is the superior brand with the superior product and I regret wasting all my money on Jakks figures, for all those years. I regret each and every one of my Classic Superstars 1 to 28. They failed at making a decent Papa Shango and Vader. That's how dreadful Jakks were. If you're still a Jakks supporter and a Mattel hater, you're nothing more than a bigot. I beg to differ. It depends on who is taking the picture.
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Post by raabhimselffanv2 on Aug 25, 2010 0:45:12 GMT -5
Terrible, Terrible figs. Use your money on something with quality other than these pieces of garbage, such as Charapro figures. Now those are what Wrestling Figures should be, not these skinny pieces of crap. Not to mention to me most of the headscans look like they were made from the same mold to start from.
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