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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jul 2, 2008 13:14:46 GMT -5
Too soon?
Let's put it this way:
CM Punk debuted in ECW after a month of hype vignettes. He won his first World Championship (at a time when there were 3 of them) 13 months later. He won his second World title 9 months later, almost a full 2 years after WWE fans first glimpsed him.
Brock Lesnar debuted with no hype, destroyed everyone, and won his first World title (at a time when there was only one of them) 5 months after his debut.
So...what was that about "too soon?"
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Post by HugoOne on Jul 2, 2008 13:26:50 GMT -5
That's why he's a transitional champ. His purpose of winning was to bring the title over and get Cena over with all the haters since he helped out. Plus turn Bloatista heel again. In essence he is simply there to set up everyone else for their new positions on RAW, which is brilliant from Vince. Does anyone really think he is up to par with people like Cena and JBL yet? That's why in the RAW thread after he won when they announced a match with JBL later everyone on here was like "oh man, now he's gonna lose". Because he's simply not there yet. I'll give it to him he has been a hard worker since he came to WWE which is why this happened. But he still needs some time to get to that top level main event caliber status. Of course when more guys start to retire (Taker, HBK, etc) he will move up the ladder and be a main event player. But that is a few years away. I more or less agree with that greatly. I'm fearing he's just a transitional champion. Still, it's a brilliant move that 1. continues to make the MITB seem important, 2. gives us a Raw moment to remember for years to come, and 3. starts to really build Punk up. He's lost more than he's won since winning MITB but it all seemed irrelevant when he won that belt. I'm hoping he hangs on until Summerslam but even if he loses at GAB, I'm just happy he had the title for a while. And it's probably more or less of a test run to see how he'll do with it and to see how the ratings go. If they increase, he'll probably keep the title for a while longer. Punkathon 08~!
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Post by the hell demon on Jul 2, 2008 13:28:20 GMT -5
You have a good point, alas Brock is a fuggin beast!!!!
If punkers was as jacked as Brock I'm sure he would be viewed as a threat to the world title picture too.
Brock is basically main eventing UFC PPVs and he barely had his first match. If punk went to MMA he would be mid-bottom of the card for his first match.
It's common sense.
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Post by v/\v on Jul 2, 2008 13:30:08 GMT -5
Brock's title victory was perfectly timed and vindicated. Punk's is aswell, i have said that, I'm just tired of people mentioning Lesnar's first title whenever Punk gets bashed for having the title "too soon".
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Post by Mirror Images on Jul 2, 2008 13:31:19 GMT -5
To be honest you need to strike while the iron is hot with these things. Punk is over so why not give him the title rather than waiting and chance him losing some of his fan popularity in the mean time.
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Post by the franchise on Jul 2, 2008 13:32:57 GMT -5
Perhaps but there was really no choice left.
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Jul 2, 2008 13:33:32 GMT -5
Too soon? Let's put it this way: CM Punk debuted in ECW after a month of hype vignettes. He won his first World Championship (at a time when there were 3 of them) 13 months later. He won his second World title 9 months later, almost a full 2 years after WWE fans first glimpsed him. Brock Lesnar debuted with no hype, destroyed everyone, and won his first World title (at a time when there was only one of them) 5 months after his debut. So...what was that about "too soon?" Shelton Benjamin has been in WWE for 6 years, but if he were to win the world title now it would be "too soon." Lesnar was ready in those 5 months it took him to win the title. The question is if CM Punk is ready, and I do think he currently has all the skills needed to be world champion, but it really had no build and it was kind of awkward seeing him with the belt to be honest. Really, there are a number of wrestlers who could have filled the role, and are just as ready to hold the title.
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Jul 2, 2008 13:39:14 GMT -5
Money in the bank is just a way for wrestlers to steal titles at WWE`s convenience. Yes it`s way too soon, hell it`s too soon for an IC run for him. He`s only been wrestling since 1999. The same year my daughter was born. I`d say theres a ton more guys who deserve it more than Punk. i`d rather see Val Venis with it or someone who`s been there forever. Big Daddy V deserves it more than Punk, Mark Henry deserves it more than Punk and the list goes on and on. He`s about as much of a joke as Batista is. Again WWE`s serving a silver platter to the kids and chicks. Punk`s gonna become another John Cena Guarunteed. Would be nice if they gave back to the fans who were around in the 80`s and 90`s and built the company to what it is today because quite frankly from the piont of view of someone who`s been a wrestling fan since 1983 WWE, more specifically Raw sucks balls and doesn`t grab the attention of us older fans.
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Post by Mirror Images on Jul 2, 2008 13:41:36 GMT -5
Money in the bank is just a way for wrestlers to steal titles at WWE`s convenience. Yes it`s way too soon, hell it`s too soon for an IC run for him. He`s only been wrestling since 1999. The same year my daughter was born. I`d say theres a ton more guys who deserve it more than Punk. i`d rather see Val Venis with it or someone who`s been there forever. Big Daddy V deserves it more than Punk, Mark Henry deserves it more than Punk and the list goes on and on. He`s about as much of a joke as Batista is. Again WWE`s serving a silver platter to the kids and chicks. Punk`s gonna become another John Cena Guarunteed. Would be nice if they gave back to the fans who were around in the 80`s and 90`s and built the company to what it is today because quite frankly from the piont of view of someone who`s been a wrestling fan since 1983 WWE, more specifically Raw sucks balls and doesn`t grab the attention of us older fans. You say on 1999, dont forget its 2008 now in 1998 did you think it was too soon for Austin and Undertaker both who debuted in 1989 (9 yrs like punk) You need to take risk on something and thats what WWE have done. punk might catch on as champ then again he might not but if you dont give it a try you wont know.
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Jul 2, 2008 14:12:16 GMT -5
People should be freakin' EXCITED that the WWE actually let someone else besides the same 5 people have a title. But are they? Very few are, but the rest absolutely HAVE to have something to complain about. Who cares if it's too soon? Honestly... is it really?
It's something different for a change. And as much as people have complained about Triple H and Cena having titles, you'd think they'd actually be happy about this happening don't you think?
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jul 2, 2008 14:24:37 GMT -5
It's not too soon, but they should have done a better build up... Or at least not buried him on tv since Mania...
That said, I'm happy he got it, and I hope they don't get gun shy now if they ratings aren't immediately up.
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Post by The Best on Jul 2, 2008 14:29:12 GMT -5
I thought it was great when he won the title. It was unexpected, and somebody fresh is holding the main title on the main show.
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Jul 2, 2008 14:29:51 GMT -5
People should be freakin' EXCITED that the WWE actually let someone else besides the same 5 people have a title. But are they? Very few are, but the rest absolutely HAVE to have something to complain about. Who cares if it's too soon? Honestly... is it really? Yeah, apparently you haven't seen the gazillion Punk sigs. The majority of the forum is excited, a couple people say it may have been a little too soon, and that means everyone is "complaining" for the sake of complaining.
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Jul 2, 2008 15:11:29 GMT -5
Money in the bank is just a way for wrestlers to steal titles at WWE`s convenience. Yes it`s way too soon, hell it`s too soon for an IC run for him. He`s only been wrestling since 1999. The same year my daughter was born. I`d say theres a ton more guys who deserve it more than Punk. i`d rather see Val Venis with it or someone who`s been there forever. Big Daddy V deserves it more than Punk, Mark Henry deserves it more than Punk and the list goes on and on. He`s about as much of a joke as Batista is. Again WWE`s serving a silver platter to the kids and chicks. Punk`s gonna become another John Cena Guarunteed. Would be nice if they gave back to the fans who were around in the 80`s and 90`s and built the company to what it is today because quite frankly from the piont of view of someone who`s been a wrestling fan since 1983 WWE, more specifically Raw sucks balls and doesn`t grab the attention of us older fans. You say on 1999, dont forget its 2008 now in 1998 did you think it was too soon for Austin and Undertaker both who debuted in 1989 (9 yrs like punk) You need to take risk on something and thats what WWE have done. punk might catch on as champ then again he might not but if you dont give it a try you wont know. Difference being that Austin and Undertaker were built as powerhouse wrestlers, CM Punk has and always will be a glorified jobber. Heres hoping he goes out like Goldberg!!!
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jul 2, 2008 15:13:04 GMT -5
Too soon? Let's put it this way: CM Punk debuted in ECW after a month of hype vignettes. He won his first World Championship (at a time when there were 3 of them) 13 months later. He won his second World title 9 months later, almost a full 2 years after WWE fans first glimpsed him. Brock Lesnar debuted with no hype, destroyed everyone, and won his first World title (at a time when there was only one of them) 5 months after his debut. So...what was that about "too soon?" Shelton Benjamin has been in WWE for 6 years, but if he were to win the world title now it would be "too soon." Lesnar was ready in those 5 months it took him to win the title. The question is if CM Punk is ready, and I do think he currently has all the skills needed to be world champion, but it really had no build and it was kind of awkward seeing him with the belt to be honest. Really, there are a number of wrestlers who could have filled the role, and are just as ready to hold the title. That's debatable.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 2, 2008 15:35:50 GMT -5
The man has had the title for less than 2 days. I think it's a little early to pass judgment on whether it was too soon or not.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jul 2, 2008 16:54:05 GMT -5
yes, waay too soon....like 2 years too soon. he should be tna world champion...actually, no he shouldnt. nothing about him screams big time. jeff hardy should never be world champion, but jeff should have gotten it before punk was even considered. i do keep solace in my belief that it will be a short, 1 time, mistake reign which becomes an afterthought, like david arquettes reign. 2nd worst world champion choice in history. id rather have khali as champ, even though i keep waking up from the nightmare that i have to watch even part of one of his matches. edge deserved better than cheating to a squeaker the night before, and then being demolished by batista, only to be pinned by a glorified nobody. so as you can see, i harbor disdain for punk.
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Post by Mark on Jul 2, 2008 17:01:28 GMT -5
I dont care Im happy therre is a new champ and Im happy Punk is champ id like to see where it goes
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Jul 2, 2008 17:04:03 GMT -5
It may very well be too soon, but in this case, I honestly don't think it matters. WWE needed something huge, something shocking, something unexpected. CM Punk was just that. Granted, he may have been a few months away from being fully ready, but to get that shock factor back, that unpredictability that has been missing for song, something had to be done.
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Post by instant classic on Jul 2, 2008 17:05:58 GMT -5
Punk deserved to win it. He's worked his ass off his entire career, from ROH, to OVW, to WWE, and everywhere in between. Sure it may be too soon, but Lesnar won the title after debuting 5 months earlier. Cena won the title in a little over 2 years, as did Punk. HHH won it in 4. The haters can say it's too soon, but people they like also won it too soon. Easy buddy there is a huge difference between CM Puke and Brock Lesnar.
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