....And the President Will Be?

[xxxKevinxxx™]

I hope Mccain wins. I met the man while attending Grand Funk Railroad concert a few months back. He is a nice man and has a wonderful story of his life.

[slappy]

What have we done over there? Kill Saddam. That's about it.

[penguindude]

Former vice president Al Gore

[CMD]

gar said:

slappyone said:

Article 6, Section 3 of the Constitution

"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

I know that it's wikipedia, but anyways

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

Note that it never says a religious person can't hold public office. Nor does it say that you can't pass laws based on religious principles. (I'm not saying that's the best way to legislate, I'm just saying it's a perfectly legal way to legislate.)

Are we saying flat out that they shouldn't be allowed to hold public office? No, we are saying that they are probably not the best people to have as leaders.

-CMD

[dalethegreat]

donald sutherland

[T R W]

I don't want any of the current people running to win. I would prefer someone who actually has their own ideas, and is not just running on what we assume their values are based on their party affiliations. Someone who isn't beholden to investors, financial backers, and party affiliations. Someone who actually has the balls to say, here is what I think, and why, as opposed to just dancing the line on everything, trying to please everyone, while not actually saying anything, or committing to anything. Policital parties have ruined our country, and are a way to get stupid people to vote.

[T R W]

pinkfloyd2 said:

gar said:

Note that it never says a religious person can't hold public office. Nor does it say that you can't pass laws based on religious principles. (I'm not saying that's the best way to legislate, I'm just saying it's a perfectly legal way to legislate.)

Are we saying flat out that they shouldn't be allowed to hold public office? No, we are saying that they are probably not the best people to have as leaders.

-CMD

Why not? The majority of Americans are still God fearing Christians. That would represent the majority of America.

[slappy]

thehurricane2 said:

I don't want any of the current people running to win. I would prefer someone who actually has their own ideas, and is not just running on what we assume their values are based on their party affiliations. Someone who isn't beholden to investors, financial backers, and party affiliations. Someone who actually has the balls to say, here is what I think, and why, as opposed to just dancing the line on everything, trying to please everyone, while not actually saying anything, or committing to anything. Policital parties have ruined our country, and are a way to get stupid people to vote.

Dennis Kucinich.

[addam]

slappyone said:

thehurricane2 said:

I don't want any of the current people running to win. I would prefer someone who actually has their own ideas, and is not just running on what we assume their values are based on their party affiliations. Someone who isn't beholden to investors, financial backers, and party affiliations. Someone who actually has the balls to say, here is what I think, and why, as opposed to just dancing the line on everything, trying to please everyone, while not actually saying anything, or committing to anything. Policital parties have ruined our country, and are a way to get stupid people to vote.

Dennis Kucinich.

i live in ohio & he gets hated on constantly. him running for president is like an inside joke to everyone here

[T R W]

slappyone said:

thehurricane2 said:

I don't want any of the current people running to win. I would prefer someone who actually has their own ideas, and is not just running on what we assume their values are based on their party affiliations. Someone who isn't beholden to investors, financial backers, and party affiliations. Someone who actually has the balls to say, here is what I think, and why, as opposed to just dancing the line on everything, trying to please everyone, while not actually saying anything, or committing to anything. Policital parties have ruined our country, and are a way to get stupid people to vote.

Dennis Kucinich.

You mean Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich? My main point is really that political parties should be abolished. You should have to vote for someone based on their own merits, not because they choose to affiliate themselves with a particular group. The majority of voters just vote for whichever party they think represents them best, when in actuality, the parties just represent themselves. Political parties just make voters dumb and lazy. Unfortunately, they are so powerful, it's the only way to win.

But according to www.dehp.net/candidate/index.php I should vote for Rudy....

[CMD]

thehurricane2 said:

pinkfloyd2 said:

Are we saying flat out that they shouldn't be allowed to hold public office? No, we are saying that they are probably not the best people to have as leaders.

-CMD

Why not? The majority of Americans are still God fearing Christians. That would represent the majority of America.

"Majority" means most, not all. While they do cater to the Moral Majority for the most part, they should serve all Americans. And if they try to make laws favoring Christians, we will obviously get the aformentioned ACLU all over their asses.

-CMD

[American Phenom]

slappyone said:

Huckabee said that being gay is a public health risk and we need to isolate AIDS patients. He said that a woman's job is to serve her husband.

I'm voting for Huckabee.

[amxfiles]

americanphenom said:

slappyone said:

Huckabee said that being gay is a public health risk and we need to isolate AIDS patients. He said that a woman's job is to serve her husband.

I'm voting for Huckabee.

Totally. I'm worried every day that I might catch GRIDS.

[CBT]

I used that site just now, TRW, and this is what I got. So I'm believing they read this board.

Score Candidate Disagreements, Unknowns, Other (brown)
28 Kucinich Disagreements: (6) Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, Patriot Act, Guantanamo, Net Neutrality, Same-Sex Civil Union
Unknowns/Other: (0)
24 Dodd Disagreements: (7) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Embryonic Stem Cells, Guantanamo, Border Fence, Net Neutrality, Iran - Military Action
Unknowns/Other: (3) Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare
24 Edwards Disagreements: (8) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Embryonic Stem Cells, Guantanamo, Net Neutrality, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union
Unknowns/Other: (2) Kyoto, Border Fence
24 Clinton Disagreements: (9) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Embryonic Stem Cells, Guantanamo, Border Fence, Net Neutrality, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union
Unknowns/Other: (0)
23 Biden Disagreements: (7) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Embryonic Stem Cells, Guantanamo, Border Fence, Net Neutrality, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) Kyoto, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare
19 Obama Disagreements: (7) Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, Guantanamo, Border Fence, Net Neutrality, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union
Unknowns/Other: (4) No Child Left Behind, Kyoto, Torture, Iran - Military Action
16 Richardson Disagreements: (9) Abortion Rights, Death Penalty, Embryonic Stem Cells, Assault Weapons Ban, Guantanamo, Net Neutrality, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union
Unknowns/Other: (3) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Iraq War
13 Brownback Disagreements: (10) ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Border Fence, Iraq War, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (2) Torture, Iran - Military Action
9 Gravel Disagreements: (6) Abortion Rights, No Child Left Behind, Embryonic Stem Cells, Patriot Act, Guantanamo, Same-Sex Civil Union
Unknowns/Other: (6) ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Wiretapping, Net Neutrality, Minimum Wage Increase
3 Paul Disagreements: (12) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Guantanamo, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (1) Same-Sex Civil Union
-1 McCain 13/1
-5 Huckabee 12/4
-7 T. Thompson 8/13
-14 Romney 14/3
-16 Cox 10/8
-17 Giuliani 14/3
-19 Hunter 16/3
-24 Tancredo 16/2

[King Bálor (CM)™]

thacbt said:

Forget who you are voting for. Forget whether you vote party lines. Whether you're a republican. A democrat. Or other-wise... Hell, forget if you're even old enough to vote.

If you had to put your chips down on who you feel will be President in '09?
(winning the 2008 election)

Me, I'm really expecting Obama to win. I just sense it, and I dunno why, maybe even a part of me feels people would rather except a black man before a woman of any ethnicity.

But I'd bet money Obama's support isn't gonna die down 10 months from now.


As for personal choice, I'd rather see Hilary. I think she could be incomparable, and Bill would be an excellent asset outside of her Cabinet.

Hilary is the devil! If she wins.....I move to Canada.

[slappy]

Bye.

[xxxKevinxxx™]

Even though I can't vote:

Score Candidate Disagreements, Unknowns, Other (brown)
32 Giuliani Disagreements: (6) Wiretapping, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Net Neutrality, Iraq Troop Surge, Same-Sex Marriage, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (3) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto

23 McCain Disagreements: (10) Abortion Rights, Kyoto, Assault Weapons Ban, Guantanamo, Torture, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Net Neutrality, Iraq Troop Surge, Same-Sex Marriage, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (1) Same-Sex Civil Union

18 Clinton Disagreements: (7) Guantanamo, Torture, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (0)

16 Dodd Disagreements: (6) Guantanamo, Torture, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Minimum Wage Increase
Unknowns/Other: (3) Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare

15 Edwards Disagreements: (7) Guantanamo, Torture, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (2) Kyoto, Border Fence
10 T. Thompson Disagreements: (5) Abortion Rights, Kyoto, Net Neutrality, Iraq Troop Surge, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (13) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Torture, Wiretapping, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban
10 Romney Disagreements: (10) Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Wiretapping, Iraq Troop Surge, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (3) Guns - Background Checks, Net Neutrality, Minimum Wage Increase
8 Richardson Disagreements: (8) Assault Weapons Ban, Guantanamo, Torture, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence, Iraq Withdrawal, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (3) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Iraq War
6 Hunter Disagreements: (11) Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Wiretapping, Iraq Troop Surge, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban, Universal Healthcare
Unknowns/Other: (3) Citizenship Path for Illegals, Net Neutrality, Same-Sex Civil Union
6 Kucinich Disagreements: (10) Death Penalty, Guantanamo, Torture, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Minimum Wage Increase
Unknowns/Other: (0)
5 Obama Disagreements: (7) Death Penalty, Guantanamo, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) No Child Left Behind, Kyoto, Torture, Iran - Military Action
5 Biden Disagreements: (7) Guantanamo, Torture, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iraq War, Iraq Withdrawal, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage
Unknowns/Other: (4) Kyoto, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Civil Union, Universal Healthcare
-2 Tancredo 12/2
-3 Cox 10/8
-12 Gravel 10/6
-18 Huckabee 12/5
-21 Brownback 14/3
-29 Paul 17/1

[Revvie®]

theshowstopper said:

thacbt said:

Forget who you are voting for. Forget whether you vote party lines. Whether you're a republican. A democrat. Or other-wise... Hell, forget if you're even old enough to vote.

If you had to put your chips down on who you feel will be President in '09?
(winning the 2008 election)

Me, I'm really expecting Obama to win. I just sense it, and I dunno why, maybe even a part of me feels people would rather except a black man before a woman of any ethnicity.

But I'd bet money Obama's support isn't gonna die down 10 months from now.


As for personal choice, I'd rather see Hilary. I think she could be incomparable, and Bill would be an excellent asset outside of her Cabinet.

Hilary is the devil! If she wins.....I move to Canada.

Bye "waves"

[CBT]

I think every body who replies to the thread should do that test.

I bet nobody gets the candidate of their liking. proof its all a popularity contest. oh and bye Showstopper, eh?

[Rant Casey]

I did the test and got Dennis Kucinich with a score of 33.