Mattel WWE From the Vault 1 RSC Ex Special Edition Cena Vid!

[LA Knight Yeah!]

I hope the DM Triple H is in series 2, would be cool to get a HHH in 2002 attire with the double jointed arms.

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Mar 13, 2024 10:59:01 GMT -5 ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe said:

Mar 13, 2024 10:45:15 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

No one said that the value couldn’t possibly decrease. And no one said “grow exponentially.” Collecting with value in mind is a risk similar to how something like stocks is a risk. It’s a gamble. I’d rather it lose value on its own maybe due to something like a decline in interest of the line than lose value with rereleases that aren’t necessary.

If you want to compare it to stock risk then you can't differentiate the two types of risk. Risk is risk and you assume all of it when making the purchase, that's a part of the game. Buying stock and then complaining about the company making more available for public offering or people shorting it is the type of stuff that would get you laughed at by any "serious stock collector".

Yes, when a company releases more shares, it decreases the value of each share; however those shares would be sold around market value. They wouldn’t be sold for 10% of the value like the Greatest Hits Harley and the original Harley.

[Deep Figure Value]

This thread is about to make me bring back my GME-era "DeepFigureValue" handle.

I like the figs. This is not fignancial advice.

[ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe]

Mar 13, 2024 12:49:44 GMT -5 Deep Figure Value said:

This thread is about to make me bring back my GME-era "DeepFigureValue" handle.

I like the figs. This is not fignancial advice.

I'll have you know good sir, I was a certified AMC Ape during that time AND I made money off those stocks. So I'm pretty qualified to give stock advice...but not collecting advice. I let the experts in the thread handle that.

[ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe]

Mar 13, 2024 12:41:03 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

Mar 13, 2024 10:59:01 GMT -5 ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe said:

If you want to compare it to stock risk then you can't differentiate the two types of risk. Risk is risk and you assume all of it when making the purchase, that's a part of the game. Buying stock and then complaining about the company making more available for public offering or people shorting it is the type of stuff that would get you laughed at by any "serious stock collector".

Yes, when a company releases more shares, it decreases the value of each share; however those shares would be sold around market value. They wouldn’t be sold for 10% of the value like the Greatest Hits Harley and the original Harley.

It's almost like, it's a 20ish dollar piece of plastic and is being sold around the same *Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price* (MSRP) as the original 20ish dollar piece of plastic was before it was over inflated by the secondary market. You can either compare them to stocks and accept the fact there are inherent risks involved in purchasing them as investments the same as stock or you can't compare them at all.

[Scotty Flamingo]

They should really look into rereleasing all 4 of the 1 in 15 Ultimate Warrior figures so that everyone has a fair chance to get them.

[ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe]

Mar 13, 2024 13:20:39 GMT -5 Scotty Flamingo said:

They should really look into rereleasing all 4 of the 1 in 15 Ultimate Warrior figures so that everyone has a fair chance to get them.

Make it a Defining Moments 4 pack so they have they have similar boxes as the originals too 😈.

[Thunder Chunky]

Markets change all the time, so I don't get this "the old figures aren't selling for market value anymore" nonsense.

[voicesinmyhead]

Mar 13, 2024 13:13:06 GMT -5 ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe said:

Mar 13, 2024 12:41:03 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

Yes, when a company releases more shares, it decreases the value of each share; however those shares would be sold around market value. They wouldn’t be sold for 10% of the value like the Greatest Hits Harley and the original Harley.

It's almost like, it's a 20ish dollar piece of plastic and is being sold around the same *Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price* (MSRP) as the original 20ish dollar piece of plastic was before it was over inflated by the secondary market. You can either compare them to stocks and accept the fact there are inherent risks involved in purchasing them as investments the same as stock or you can't compare them at all.

It’s almost like a stock starts at a certain price, can raise in value, and then if more shares are made, be sold around that new value. Not that previous value when the company first started. Hmmm…

[voicesinmyhead]

Mar 13, 2024 14:33:40 GMT -5 Thunder Chunky said:

Markets change all the time, so I don't get this "the old figures aren't selling for market value anymore" nonsense.

Markets can change for many factors. But the problem is the market is changing due to the direct effects of rereleases. It’s not that difficult to understand.

[crush]

Mar 13, 2024 15:07:46 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

Mar 13, 2024 13:13:06 GMT -5 ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe said:

It's almost like, it's a 20ish dollar piece of plastic and is being sold around the same *Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price* (MSRP) as the original 20ish dollar piece of plastic was before it was over inflated by the secondary market. You can either compare them to stocks and accept the fact there are inherent risks involved in purchasing them as investments the same as stock or you can't compare them at all.

It’s almost like a stock starts at a certain price, can raise in value, and then if more shares are made, be sold around that new value. Not that previous value when the company first started. Hmmm…

However, if this were a stock analogy, the secondary market prices would be the equivalent to artificially-inflated prognostications of stock prices. It's the equivalent of saying someone was desperate to own Green Bay Packers stock but none are on sale, they would pay over-market prices for shares. (Of course, this could never happen because there are laws in place to stop stocks from being sold in that manner)

[voicesinmyhead]

Mar 13, 2024 15:16:41 GMT -5 crush said:

Mar 13, 2024 15:07:46 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

It’s almost like a stock starts at a certain price, can raise in value, and then if more shares are made, be sold around that new value. Not that previous value when the company first started. Hmmm…

However, if this were a stock analogy, the secondary market prices would be the equivalent to artificially-inflated prognostications of stock prices. It's the equivalent of saying someone was desperate to own Green Bay Packers stock but none are on sale, they would pay over-market prices for shares. (Of course, this could never happen because there are laws in place to stop stocks from being sold in that manner)

It sounds like you’re comparing it to scalper prices. That’s never what I would consider a fair market price. I’m talking about a figure that has gradually increased in value over time due to interest, supply, and demand.

The laws you speak of should be put in place to stop scalpers from taking a newly released figure from the MNW line and selling it on eBay immediately for $60-$80. If everyone had a fair chance to get them and then, over time, the supply decreases and prices go up, I see no issues with that market valuation.

[carsonalt]

I’ll be glad with this debate? discussion? is over, and I wonder if the rebelscum (or insert other SW website) forums had a similar debate when Hasbro released Vader in Star Wars black series 2 and then gallingly released him again later.

[crush]

Mar 13, 2024 15:25:55 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

Mar 13, 2024 15:16:41 GMT -5 crush said:

However, if this were a stock analogy, the secondary market prices would be the equivalent to artificially-inflated prognostications of stock prices. It's the equivalent of saying someone was desperate to own Green Bay Packers stock but none are on sale, they would pay over-market prices for shares. (Of course, this could never happen because there are laws in place to stop stocks from being sold in that manner)

It sounds like you’re comparing it to scalper prices. That’s never what I would consider a fair market price. I’m talking about a figure that has gradually increased in value over time due to interest, supply, and demand.

The laws you speak of should be put in place to stop scalpers from taking a newly released figure from the MNW line and selling it on eBay immediately for $60-$80. If everyone had a fair chance to get them and then, over time, the supply decreases and prices go up, I see no issues with that market valuation.

I was talking about the way the Green Bay Packers sell stock (they're the only US professional sports team that operates as a non-profit entity and is owned entirely by shareholders). So the team has done stock sales in 1923, 1935, 1950, 1997, 2011, and 2021. For that 2021 sale, shares were $300, so that's the market value of a share. Now, there are absolutely die hard Packer fans with a ton of money would would (if it were allowed) probably spend 10x that amount to get a share because they want to own one and their demand outstrips supply, but that doesn't make $30,000 the market value of a share. It's an artificially inflated price, and in probably roughly a decade when they do their next sale, shares aren't going to be priced at $30,000.

Also, to be clear, I don't think there should be "laws" or etc. around buying and selling figures.

[voicesinmyhead]

Mar 13, 2024 15:43:56 GMT -5 crush said:

Mar 13, 2024 15:25:55 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

It sounds like you’re comparing it to scalper prices. That’s never what I would consider a fair market price. I’m talking about a figure that has gradually increased in value over time due to interest, supply, and demand.

The laws you speak of should be put in place to stop scalpers from taking a newly released figure from the MNW line and selling it on eBay immediately for $60-$80. If everyone had a fair chance to get them and then, over time, the supply decreases and prices go up, I see no issues with that market valuation.

I was talking about the way the Green Bay Packers sell stock (they're the only US professional sports team that operates as a non-profit entity and is owned entirely by shareholders). So the team has done stock sales in 1923, 1935, 1950, 1997, 2011, and 2021. For that 2021 sale, shares were $300, so that's the market value of a share. Now, there are absolutely die hard Packer fans with a ton of money would would (if it were allowed) probably spend 10x that amount to get a share because they want to own one and their demand outstrips supply, but that doesn't make $30,000 the market value of a share. It's an artificially inflated price, and in probably roughly a decade when they do their next sale, shares aren't going to be priced at $30,000.

Also, to be clear, I don't think there should be "laws" or etc. around buying and selling figures.

Somehow you’re like pro scalper now? I was trying to throw you a bone with that law joke. The general consensus is that people hate scalpers so I figured that was a fun scenario to think about. I don’t think any “laws” should be attached to collecting at all which has been my side from the start. Obviously quite a few of us how different opinions on what and how to collect, but none are more right than the other. If someone wants to collect for personal interest, that’s awesome. If someone wants to collect for potential value and take that risk, cool too.

[RSCTom]

Me entering this thread like

[voicesinmyhead]

Mar 13, 2024 15:35:43 GMT -5 carsonalt said:

I’ll be glad with this debate? discussion? is over, and I wonder if the rebelscum (or insert other SW website) forums had a similar debate when Hasbro released Vader in Star Wars black series 2 and then gallingly released him again later.

I’m sure there were people on both sides of that argument as well. But neither is more right than the other. At the end of the day, it’s the company’s decision and if they want to rerelease a figure, and they think that’s best for business, then they have the right to do that. Some will be happy about it and others won’t. Ultimately, it isn’t up to us and we have to deal with it either way.

[crush]

Mar 13, 2024 15:51:35 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

Mar 13, 2024 15:43:56 GMT -5 crush said:

I was talking about the way the Green Bay Packers sell stock (they're the only US professional sports team that operates as a non-profit entity and is owned entirely by shareholders). So the team has done stock sales in 1923, 1935, 1950, 1997, 2011, and 2021. For that 2021 sale, shares were $300, so that's the market value of a share. Now, there are absolutely die hard Packer fans with a ton of money would would (if it were allowed) probably spend 10x that amount to get a share because they want to own one and their demand outstrips supply, but that doesn't make $30,000 the market value of a share. It's an artificially inflated price, and in probably roughly a decade when they do their next sale, shares aren't going to be priced at $30,000.

Also, to be clear, I don't think there should be "laws" or etc. around buying and selling figures.

Somehow you’re like pro scalper now? I was trying to throw you a bone with that law joke. The general consensus is that people hate scalpers so I figured that was a fun scenario to think about. I don’t think any “laws” should be attached to collecting at all which has been my side from the start. Obviously quite a few of us how different opinions on what and how to collect, but none are more right than the other. If someone wants to collect for personal interest, that’s awesome. If someone wants to collect for potential value and take that risk, cool too.

Im not pro-scalper, as much as I think that people can decided whether or not they want to pay scalper or later secondary market prices. Again, I have no issue with the concept of secondary market value, I just don't believe Mattel should be beholden to the existence of the secondary market in their decision making and that collectors are perfectly within their right to hope for/desire/and buy re-releases of loose they want.

[voicesinmyhead]

Mar 13, 2024 15:57:27 GMT -5 crush said:

Mar 13, 2024 15:51:35 GMT -5 voicesinmyhead said:

Somehow you’re like pro scalper now? I was trying to throw you a bone with that law joke. The general consensus is that people hate scalpers so I figured that was a fun scenario to think about. I don’t think any “laws” should be attached to collecting at all which has been my side from the start. Obviously quite a few of us how different opinions on what and how to collect, but none are more right than the other. If someone wants to collect for personal interest, that’s awesome. If someone wants to collect for potential value and take that risk, cool too.

Im not pro-scalper, as much as I think that people can decided whether or not they want to pay scalper or later secondary market prices. Again, I have no issue with the concept of secondary market value, I just don't believe Mattel should be beholden to the existence of the secondary market in their decision making and that collectors are perfectly within their right to hope for/desire/and buy re-releases of loose they want.

I never said Mattel should be beholden to the secondary market. I have said numerous times that their business is their business and they have the right to rerelease whatever they want if they think that is best for business. I don't have to like and and I don't like it, but they are perfectly within their rights to do so. However, I disagree with the second part and, like I have said before, that is my mindset as a collector. I do not believe in hoping for rereleases when the figures already exist and you can work towards adding a valuable piece to your collection. That, to me, is what makes collecting fun, and makes your collection more impressive, valuable, etc. That is my mindset as a collector and I believe that to my core. You don't have to agree with it. We can agree to disagree. That part isn't speaking in facts. The rereleases are happening and are going to continue to happen. I don't like it, Mattel has every right to do it, and you guys could like it, but I don't believe in hoping for rereleases.

I feel like so many people on here think I have the mindset of "I got this expensive toy, and I don't want you to have it," but it's not like that. If the roles were reversed (which I tried to explain with my Kurt Angle brawler analogy), I would say "Ah, you got that Kurt Angle brawler? That's awesome. I hope I can add that to my collection one day." And I could add it one day if I save my money, or sell some figures, or trade, etc. I think it adds value (not just monetarily) to that person's collection and makes it different than mine. It is not fun to see every person have the same set of figures. I like seeing other pictures of people's collections and saying, "Wow, that guy has such and such Marvel Legends figure. That's cool." Does that make sense? If your just looking at sheer volume, than its borderline a hoard. But if you look at not just the quantity, but the quality of your pieces, then it makes it a collection. The rereleases take away from the quality by diminishing the rare pieces (obviously the quality of the figure is higher with the updates but that's not the quality I am talking about).

[aggressiveperfector]

Mar 13, 2024 13:00:37 GMT -5 ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe said:

Mar 13, 2024 12:49:44 GMT -5 Deep Figure Value said:

This thread is about to make me bring back my GME-era "DeepFigureValue" handle.

I like the figs. This is not fignancial advice.

I'll have you know good sir, I was a certified AMC Ape during that time AND I made money off those stocks. So I'm pretty qualified to give stock advice...but not collecting advice. I let the experts in the thread handle that.

I sold a bunch of my big cards during the Pandemic. Of course watching the behavior of the card companies during that time period turned me almost completely off of the hobby. But I got out and made a lot of money on people paying way too ing much on basic ass cards.