[RETRO] Grapplers & Gimmicks by Hasttel Toy

[@Chair.Shot]

Thank you very much undertakerfan22 !

I added the two Bulldogs and put them under the released list just now. As for the 7 inch line, I decided not to track those. Like other brands, I prefer to keep the lines separate to avoid confusion.

Speaking of, it’s been about a year now and I think splitting “All Things Retro” topic into separate threads was the right call. The Epic thread is at 227 pages as of my writing this and the other Retro threads have a combined count of over 235 pages. That doesn’t account for all of the throwback brands that aren’t based on Hasbro: Big Rubber Guys, PowerTown Remco figures, the various Galoob brands, etc. Trying to make sense of that explosion of new lines would have been a nightmare to reference and navigate things. Not to mention the additional crosstalk, difference of opinions, and everything else that takes place.

[freaqualizer]

Sooo, is G&G King Momma? Is this a Finkle is Einhorn situation?

[micco]

Oct 17, 2024 12:32:52 GMT -5 kiphouse said:

The little skinny legs on kama are wild. No way thats his same designer who's doin the good ones. Its like lookin at the bwo chellas when there were obvious differences

The legs and the gesture of them looks weird. I think he might have been too concerned with the scale. First thing he’s gonna do is show height comparisons but as you’ve pointed out, the legs, despite making him the right height in scale to how tall he really is, just look wrong

[@Chair.Shot]

Oct 18, 2024 16:01:25 GMT -5 freaqualizer said:

Sooo, is G&G King Momma? Is this a Finkle is Einhorn situation?

King Momma started out independent of Hasttel but at some point they connected. Hasttel’s artists were able to take King Momma’s existing 3D designs and manipulate them to work within their program/style. Will it be its own unique line? Will it be part of G&G? Sounds like those details are being worked out so I guess we will have to stay tuned!

[parrish]

Oct 18, 2024 17:06:54 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

Oct 18, 2024 16:01:25 GMT -5 freaqualizer said:

Sooo, is G&G King Momma? Is this a Finkle is Einhorn situation?

King Momma started out independent of Hasttel but at some point they connected. Hasttel’s artists were able to take King Momma’s existing 3D designs and manipulate them to work within their program/style. Will it be its own unique line? Will it be part of G&G? Sounds like those details are being worked out so I guess we will have to stay tuned!

I was going to stay clear of the King Momma line, but if it's associated with Grapplers & Gimmicks, I may have to jump on board. I guess that speaks volumes of how I feel about the Grapplers line and Mitch in terms of pr. 

[kojikanemoto]

@chair.shot - 2 pack of MOM as well

[@Chair.Shot]

You guys rock!

[@Chair.Shot]

http://instagram.com/p/DBTcPDnxIFk

[kiphouse]

Thats awesome. Even I feel like im approaching a wall with retros. I wont stop, but ive gotta, start being more selective and less impulsive. Theres just so much coming at us but thats a great problem to have. 2 or 3 years ago it was so slow i actually went back and scooped a few actual hasbros i was missing just cause

[habrofan83]

Oct 19, 2024 7:15:31 GMT -5 kiphouse said:

Thats awesome. Even I feel like im approaching a wall with retros. I wont stop, but ive gotta, start being more selective and less impulsive. Theres just so much coming at us but thats a great problem to have. 2 or 3 years ago it was so slow i actually went back and scooped a few actual hasbros i was missing just cause

I feel this way too, my complete collections are hasbro and Mattel retros, I do like G&G and have some of those, ZST and epic but could never aim to complete those.

[mrh]

Is it just me, or does everyone think that the Heath Slater looks the most similar to Hasbro of all the new reveals? The second would be Tatsnks in white pants…

[@Chair.Shot]

I’d throw Godfather in with that list. Gives me Skinner vibes but in a good way.

[drnickriviera995]

Oct 19, 2024 7:15:31 GMT -5 kiphouse said:

Thats awesome. Even I feel like im approaching a wall with retros. I wont stop, but ive gotta, start being more selective and less impulsive. Theres just so much coming at us but thats a great problem to have. 2 or 3 years ago it was so slow i actually went back and scooped a few actual hasbros i was missing just cause

I still think the more the merrier, still very little being done to represent WCW and I'd love to see that ramp up from all companies. I think many people have limited promotions/periods they collect, and for me I only do wrestlers, no managers/announcers etc. So, I'm not buying even close to everything, Mitch is doing the most that fits my parameters, so I'm probably buying around 3/4 of his offerings at this point. Zombie is doing little that I'm into, so not planning to get tons of his forthcoming stuff. And Epic and the other companies seem to be going a bit slower, so it's not hard to keep up.

[MKSavage]

Oct 19, 2024 23:07:40 GMT -5 drnickriviera995 said:

Oct 19, 2024 7:15:31 GMT -5 kiphouse said:

Thats awesome. Even I feel like im approaching a wall with retros. I wont stop, but ive gotta, start being more selective and less impulsive. Theres just so much coming at us but thats a great problem to have. 2 or 3 years ago it was so slow i actually went back and scooped a few actual hasbros i was missing just cause

I still think the more the merrier, still very little being done to represent WCW and I'd love to see that ramp up from all companies. I think many people have limited promotions/periods they collect, and for me I only do wrestlers, no managers/announcers etc. So, I'm not buying even close to everything, Mitch is doing the most that fits my parameters, so I'm probably buying around 3/4 of his offerings at this point. Zombie is doing little that I'm into, so not planning to get tons of his forthcoming stuff. And Epic and the other companies seem to be going a bit slower, so it's not hard to keep up.

Definitely wouldn't mind a good number of guys from 1990-1994. Not 100 like the Hasbro line, but a good 25 or 30 of the top guys from that era: Sting, Luger, Rude, Vader, Austin, Anderson, Flair, Dustin, Windham, Eaton, Zbyszko, Steamboat, Road Warriors, Steiners, Simmons, Reed, Nikita, DDP, Studd (Hall), Vinnie Vegas, Regal, Bulldog, Nasty Boys, Gordy & Doc, Cactus, etc. 

[drnickriviera995]

Oct 20, 2024 14:41:17 GMT -5 MKSavage said:

Oct 19, 2024 23:07:40 GMT -5 drnickriviera995 said:

I still think the more the merrier, still very little being done to represent WCW and I'd love to see that ramp up from all companies. I think many people have limited promotions/periods they collect, and for me I only do wrestlers, no managers/announcers etc. So, I'm not buying even close to everything, Mitch is doing the most that fits my parameters, so I'm probably buying around 3/4 of his offerings at this point. Zombie is doing little that I'm into, so not planning to get tons of his forthcoming stuff. And Epic and the other companies seem to be going a bit slower, so it's not hard to keep up.

Definitely wouldn't mind a good number of guys from 1990-1994. Not 100 like the Hasbro line, but a good 25 or 30 of the top guys from that era: Sting, Luger, Rude, Vader, Austin, Anderson, Flair, Dustin, Windham, Eaton, Zbyszko, Steamboat, Road Warriors, Steiners, Simmons, Reed, Nikita, DDP, Studd (Hall), Vinnie Vegas, Regal, Bulldog, Nasty Boys, Gordy & Doc, Cactus, etc. 

My WCW sweet spot is more 94-98 since I started watching when Hogan came in, especially starting late 94 when Macho comes in is when I really got into it. Still wouldn't mind some guys from the Galoob era though since I was familiar with the product to a degree and had some Galoobs.

[@Chair.Shot]

WCW had so many different eras. I guess my favorite to see captured would probably be from 90 through 94. Saying pre-Hogan would eliminate too many characters that weren’t involved in his shenanigans. Even so, I would love many of the Dungeon of Doom characters if there were a way to make them.

Also, came across these better shots from NYCC

http://instagram.com/p/DBWpc83Rs7X

[drnickriviera995]

Oct 21, 2024 4:18:12 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

WCW had so many different eras. I guess my favorite to see captured would probably be from 90 through 94. Saying pre-Hogan would eliminate too many characters that weren’t involved in his shenanigans. Even so, I would love many of the Dungeon of Doom characters if there were a way to make them.

Also, came across these better shots from NYCC

http://instagram.com/p/DBWpc83Rs7X

Yeah, like I said my era is 94-98, which I think also fits a nice fantasy what if of Hasbro taking over the WCW license when they lost WWF. I really love the Dungeon of Doom era too. Would really want a Zodiac, Shark, Bubba Rogers (mattel could do those), Taskmaster (maybe ZST if he still has him), unsure if Giant can be made by anyone atm. And unsure of some of the more smaller characters, Vader was in breifly too and Epic is making him, hopefully they get a WCW version out aswell as WWF.

[kojikanemoto]

Damn Arn and Tully look like samples there, rather than painted prototypes. That’s gonna be a big disappointment if he doesn’t fix them

[britishbrickfan]

Oct 21, 2024 10:21:05 GMT -5 kojikanemoto said:

Damn Arn and Tully look like samples there, rather than painted prototypes. That’s gonna be a big disappointment if he doesn’t fix them

a lot of them are just painted protos it seems, which is disappointing to see

the Tatankas have Chella's Nick Aldis hands! #tiny

Rhino's head is too small (Godfather's looks small too, but passable) and Kama's hair needs to be better sculpted. Waylon's missing his tats, and JPL's got paint lines. did anyone else think JPL's head looks like Arn's head with things added?

getting weird Rush vibes off of TL's hairline, it's almost like the head and hair are two separate pieces glued together. that's gonna change surely in production so there's no gap?

that said, it's actually good to see that Mitch has taken the time to set out what the whole range will look like in the coming months - fair play, he understood the assignment and ran with it. I would have just preferred to see much more of the finished articles on display and not painted prototypes for such a reveal. and weirdly, just to throw this in too - Sherri's there, but not given pride of place for a reveal? why waste an opportunity to showcase something that looks good!

in the same week Epic have DDP landing on doorsteps, and ZST is pushing another high profile figure, it's just a shame that Mitch's figures (on display) are starting to look more like Chella's earlier figs compared to his competition, but as we've seen with Bulldog (not the 92 obvs!) these things can change at production, but G+G is sorely missing in consistency that the others seem to have nailed now

[MKSavage]

Just noticing that he changed Kama. Originally, he had the same upper body as Papa Shango.