[RETRO] Grapplers & Gimmicks by Hasttel Toy

[3poajamie]

Nov 22, 2023 3:35:39 GMT -5 casanova said:

Nov 22, 2023 2:34:01 GMT -5 3poajamie said:

Of course it’s the most true-to-Hasbro line out there, he’s literally 3D printing from Hasbros to make the molds it seems.

That is news to me. Can you explain this any further? Did he use a Yokozuna mold and resculpt it for Mable for example or what is he doing?

Not fully clued up on how the 3D printing side of things works but allegedly you can use an existing object (say the Hasbro Yoko for example) and then edit it on the computer to change certain areas and then print.

Then use the printed “mold” to create the other figures. Think Sid from Toy Story with a computer

[3poajamie]

Nov 22, 2023 4:19:59 GMT -5 Ruby Fusion said:

Nov 22, 2023 2:34:01 GMT -5 3poajamie said:

Of course it’s the most true-to-Hasbro line out there, he’s literally 3D printing from Hasbros to make the molds it seems.

Same could be said about Chella/Epic...

However if you look at figures like Carlito or Fabulous Rougeaus it's not just a case of "literally 3D printing from Hasbros to make the molds", there's some 3D-modeling involved as well.

Epic have the molds made in metal after being sculpted and not made from a 3D printed mold. So not the same

[3poajamie]

Not saying the 3D printed objects being used for molds is a bad thing, it just explains why people would say they are “the most like Hasbros” and also why there’s 3D print lines on the figures.

If it means that G+G can keep churning figures out at the speed they are and people are happy with them then great, more power to them.

[sbayunco]

Nov 22, 2023 6:46:47 GMT -5 3poajamie said:

Not saying the 3D printed objects being used for molds is a bad thing, it just explains why people would say they are “the most like Hasbros” and also why there’s 3D print lines on the figures.

If it means that G+G can keep churning figures out at the speed they are and people are happy with them then great, more power to them.

I can honestly say I haven't been disappointed with the quality of epic/chella retros. G+G has given me buyers remorse more often than not.I think people are catching on to his corner cutting to pump out faster, albeit low quality retros.

[Ruby Fusion]

Nov 22, 2023 6:46:47 GMT -5 3poajamie said:

Not saying the 3D printed objects being used for molds is a bad thing, it just explains why people would say they are “the most like Hasbros” and also why there’s 3D print lines on the figures.

If it means that G+G can keep churning figures out at the speed they are and people are happy with them then great, more power to them.

Looking back at the close-up Godwinns figures I didn't see 3D print lines. So I'm still not convinced Hasstel modifies 3D scanned Hasbros to 3D print them and create molds afterwards. Seems too much of a hassle; a 3D printing farm printing out the parts is a more effective way. Sure, he needs to vapor smooth the 3D print lines afterwards but you can't have it too easy if this is your bussiness.

Also, the 3D models of Hasbros I've seen are like this: head, left arm with modelled peg, right arm with modelled peg, torso with modelled peg, legs with modelled peg. After cleaning up the 3D printed parts, you snap the parts together.

[drnickriviera995]

I'm also not convinced 3D printing would be able to be done, this much plastic for 35 bucks a pop, doesn't add up. I don't 3D print myself, but I am an avid scale modeler and work with people that 3D print for me, and it is very expensive for the plastic alone that goes into the machines.

[3poajamie]

Nov 22, 2023 7:37:44 GMT -5 Ruby Fusion said:

Nov 22, 2023 6:46:47 GMT -5 3poajamie said:

Not saying the 3D printed objects being used for molds is a bad thing, it just explains why people would say they are “the most like Hasbros” and also why there’s 3D print lines on the figures.

If it means that G+G can keep churning figures out at the speed they are and people are happy with them then great, more power to them.

Looking back at the close-up Godwinns figures I didn't see 3D print lines. So I'm still not convinced Hasstel modifies 3D scanned Hasbros to 3D print them and create molds afterwards. Seems too much of a hassle; a 3D printing farm printing out the parts is a more effective way. Sure, he needs to vapor smooth the 3D print lines afterwards but you can't have it too easy if this is your bussiness.

Also, the 3D models of Hasbros I've seen are like this: head, left arm with modelled peg, right arm with modelled peg, torso with modelled peg, legs with modelled peg. After cleaning up the 3D printed parts, you snap the parts together.

Maybe with those he just used an IRS and a Bushwhacker or something as the mold idk. Not bothered if he is using this method, people seem pleased with them which is the key thing

Completely agree that the lines need to be smoothed out though

[Ruby Fusion]

Nov 22, 2023 7:51:26 GMT -5 drnickriviera995 said:

I'm also not convinced 3D printing would be able to be done, this much plastic for 35 bucks a pop, doesn't add up. I don't 3D print myself, but I am an avid scale modeler and work with people that 3D print for me, and it is very expensive for the plastic alone that goes into the machines.

Well I own a 3D printer since 2011 and have printed a couple Hasbros in ABS - same material as a Lego brick (for personal use, I don't sell or print for others). The 3D printer I used for those can only carry one 750g spool of ABS filament, that spool costs around $25. 3D printing a Hasbro including supports (the waste that you have to clean up from a part) is about 80 - 90 grams of filament. So 3D printing a Hasbro costs $3 in material, ofcourse you also have to account electricity; 10 hours in my case.

[3poajamie]

Nov 22, 2023 8:29:14 GMT -5 Ruby Fusion said:

Nov 22, 2023 7:51:26 GMT -5 drnickriviera995 said:

I'm also not convinced 3D printing would be able to be done, this much plastic for 35 bucks a pop, doesn't add up. I don't 3D print myself, but I am an avid scale modeler and work with people that 3D print for me, and it is very expensive for the plastic alone that goes into the machines.

Well I own a 3D printer since 2011 and have printed a couple Hasbros in ABS - same material as a Lego brick (for personal use, I don't sell or print for others). The 3D printer I used for those can only carry one 750g spool of ABS filament, that spool costs around $25. 3D printing a Hasbro including supports (the waste that you have to clean up from a part) is about 80 - 90 grams of filament. So 3D printing a Hasbro costs $3 in material, ofcourse you also have to account electricity; 10 hours in my case.

Just to clarify, I mean one 1 figure gets 3D printed and then that figure is being used as a mold for the mass production

[Ruby Fusion]

Nov 22, 2023 8:40:51 GMT -5 3poajamie said:

Nov 22, 2023 8:29:14 GMT -5 Ruby Fusion said:

Well I own a 3D printer since 2011 and have printed a couple Hasbros in ABS - same material as a Lego brick (for personal use, I don't sell or print for others). The 3D printer I used for those can only carry one 750g spool of ABS filament, that spool costs around $25. 3D printing a Hasbro including supports (the waste that you have to clean up from a part) is about 80 - 90 grams of filament. So 3D printing a Hasbro costs $3 in material, ofcourse you also have to account electricity; 10 hours in my case.

Just to clarify, I mean one 1 figure gets 3D printed and then that figure is being used as a mold for the mass production

Yes I know that's what you meant; the above answer was not directed to you.

[@Chair.Shot]

Im not digging the 2 pack as a whole. Financially I’m not sure if it would be better to get stuck sitting on 500 Diana figures or if you want to sell fewer Bulldog figures by packaging them with Diana. I think selling Bulldog individually could have offset the cost of the Diana figure but I guess time will tell.

Although Diana wasn’t a wrestler, it is funny to think about how similar figures are being made for short runs. The Executioner being one example. Bully Busick is up there as well. Though to be fair, Diana Hart Smith was featured a lot more in the WWF in 1995 as well as returning for Wrestlemania 26…though we never did see that jacket again.

[wwa]

That looks more like Hilary Clinton than Diana.

[3poajamie]

Nov 22, 2023 8:44:59 GMT -5 Ruby Fusion said:

Nov 22, 2023 8:40:51 GMT -5 3poajamie said:

Just to clarify, I mean one 1 figure gets 3D printed and then that figure is being used as a mold for the mass production

Yes I know that's what you meant; the above answer was not directed to you.

Ignore me then 😂

[walter7paisley]

Nov 21, 2023 19:23:09 GMT -5 drnickriviera995 said:

Just announced that the Diana will be in a 2-pack with the Bulldog. Highly dissapointing, and sounds like another blunder on his part. I've been trying to defend his figures so much, but this is a clear panic move after he figured out that Diana aint selling on it's own. Crap move IMO. And it's going to continue to damage his image.

So presumably it'll also up the cost of the Bulldog. I was intending to get the Bulldog as I'm a big fan, and I'm generally not a MoC guy but this would likely remain on card if it's definitely a 2-pack with Diana as I'd have no use for her loose... I know that sounds weird.

[walter7paisley]

Nov 21, 2023 20:54:59 GMT -5 crush said:

I honestly think the two-pack looks fine and Diana doesn’t seem all that more obscure to me than some of the other choices in a few of the retro lines. But I also don’t collect any of these lines so my opinion probably doesn’t mean much.

As a MoC piece it'll be fine, as it kind of tells a story, but I was hoping to have that particular Bulldog loose, so while I may still buy it, I'd rather it not be a 2-pack.

[walter7paisley]

Nov 21, 2023 21:44:52 GMT -5 Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 said:

Still say he has the best true-to-hasbro retros out there. Say what you will about the Bulldog and Diana pairing, but I’m these figures just fit best into the collection with existing hasbros vs the other companies.

It's their overall quality I'm worried about... Like are they gonna fall apart with the merest hint of a clothesline from a Galoob?! 🫣

[walter7paisley]

Nov 22, 2023 8:29:14 GMT -5 Ruby Fusion said:

Nov 22, 2023 7:51:26 GMT -5 drnickriviera995 said:

I'm also not convinced 3D printing would be able to be done, this much plastic for 35 bucks a pop, doesn't add up. I don't 3D print myself, but I am an avid scale modeler and work with people that 3D print for me, and it is very expensive for the plastic alone that goes into the machines.

Well I own a 3D printer since 2011 and have printed a couple Hasbros in ABS - same material as a Lego brick (for personal use, I don't sell or print for others). The 3D printer I used for those can only carry one 750g spool of ABS filament, that spool costs around $25. 3D printing a Hasbro including supports (the waste that you have to clean up from a part) is about 80 - 90 grams of filament. So 3D printing a Hasbro costs $3 in material, ofcourse you also have to account electricity; 10 hours in my case.

Do you have any pictures of the Hasbros you printed?

[aaron34]

Nov 22, 2023 12:07:45 GMT -5 walter7paisley said:

Nov 22, 2023 8:29:14 GMT -5 Ruby Fusion said:

Well I own a 3D printer since 2011 and have printed a couple Hasbros in ABS - same material as a Lego brick (for personal use, I don't sell or print for others). The 3D printer I used for those can only carry one 750g spool of ABS filament, that spool costs around $25. 3D printing a Hasbro including supports (the waste that you have to clean up from a part) is about 80 - 90 grams of filament. So 3D printing a Hasbro costs $3 in material, ofcourse you also have to account electricity; 10 hours in my case.

Do you have any pictures of the Hasbros you printed?

would be cool to see some pictures!

[aaron34]

Nov 22, 2023 8:54:31 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

Im not digging the 2 pack as a whole. Financially I’m not sure if it would be better to get stuck sitting on 500 Diana figures or if you want to sell fewer Bulldog figures by packaging them with Diana. I think selling Bulldog individually could have offset the cost of the Diana figure but I guess time will tell.

Although Diana wasn’t a wrestler, it is funny to think about how similar figures are being made for short runs. The Executioner being one example. Bully Busick is up there as well. Though to be fair, Diana Hart Smith was featured a lot more in the WWF in 1995 as well as returning for Wrestlemania 26…though we never did see that jacket again.

i feel like there will still be enough people who will want that Bulldog that will pony up for the two pack. Just my thought/opinion

[drnickriviera995]

Nov 22, 2023 8:40:51 GMT -5 3poajamie said:

Nov 22, 2023 8:29:14 GMT -5 Ruby Fusion said:

Well I own a 3D printer since 2011 and have printed a couple Hasbros in ABS - same material as a Lego brick (for personal use, I don't sell or print for others). The 3D printer I used for those can only carry one 750g spool of ABS filament, that spool costs around $25. 3D printing a Hasbro including supports (the waste that you have to clean up from a part) is about 80 - 90 grams of filament. So 3D printing a Hasbro costs $3 in material, ofcourse you also have to account electricity; 10 hours in my case.

Just to clarify, I mean one 1 figure gets 3D printed and then that figure is being used as a mold for the mass production

Oh, that makes more sense then.