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Post by oldschoolfool on Jan 13, 2023 14:18:32 GMT -5
I don't buy the "WWE shut them down" thing whatsoever. There's no recent evidence of it - in fact, there's a mountain to the contrary. There are other guys WWE signed/re-signed that have figures in production with other manufacturers and being allowed to release - Gargano, Jonah and Kross to name three. Cody having AEW figures released after he'd left is another example. Let alone the vast number of reverse examples, where WWE has released figures of talent who've gone elsewhere. If merch deals have been signed, companies are generally being allowed to see them out. You have a point but maybe its on a case by case basis. Since WWE did recently shut down RVD and DiBiase figures that were going to be produced by other companies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 15:24:28 GMT -5
It seems like it was being insinuated that WWE put a stop to them. I don't think the demand was high for these, but Brian from S7 has said in the past that the order numbers don't have to be very high for them to mass produce their runs. Like 500 orders would probably be the minimum needed on these if I were to guess, and I think they sold at least that many. I agree the first figures were bad, and they're too expensive, and the Good Brothers popularity is kind of at an all time low, but I do think WWE shutting these down seems more likely than just not filling the orders, which Super7 would have known right away when the order window closed. Ringside and Big Bad probably covered the minimum with their orders alone. I bought the Myers for $20 during the Cyber sales. I think it's a good figure, but I like the New Japan figures as well, at least more than most. It's definitely not S7's best stuff, because TMNT and Thundercats are both some of the best toys on the market, but I thought they were good in terms of accessories and overall look. Glad we got Okada/Tana/Naito, personally. I think I'd grab that second Cardona if it comes down to $40 or so just so I have both Major guys. Would love for them to do more characters that other companies aren't making, or to outright do more New Japan guys. So... Most factories have a minimum requirement in order to take on your project. And it's definitely well above 500. You only see that limitation on certain chases or rare figures if they are already working on specific lines. Otherwise, anything less just simply isn't worth it to said factories. I belive Super7 has a threshold of somewhere in the 5k-10k range with their factories. In most cases. Possibly more, as they're not really someone whom I have the most intimate inside working knowledge with. Just outside chatter, from people who used to work there or know people who currently still do. The most I know is that Brian (owner) is notoriously cheap, and will cut any corners he can to get a few nickels to rub together in his own pocket. And if you see any of his interviews talking about the state of disarray that the toy world is in, most other toy heads roll their eyes. It's simply untrue. There are difficulties, but all of the BS he talks about is merely noise, simply designed to defend the outrageous prices he's charging for figures. Did you hear the one about the price of Glow in the Dark dust being through the roof? LAUGHABLE. Have a buddy who's head designer on a toyline that recently did glow in the dark figures, and we laughed about that one for weeks. It's literally pennies to cost out that feature. But the price is ASTRONOMICAL according to Brian Flynn. I will also say that anyone considering giving them their money know the following: -They are overcharging you intentionally. -They cut corners to save money, knowingly misleading you. -Almost positive that they use funds on current preorders to pay for previous projects, which is unethical, and pretty much illegal. -They are spreading themselves far too thin with properties. -They just laid off a LOT of people right before Christmas. People who had amazing ideas for the betterment of the company, that would often fall on deaf ears. And then...announced new license after license this past week. |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jan 13, 2023 20:49:12 GMT -5
It seems like it was being insinuated that WWE put a stop to them. I don't think the demand was high for these, but Brian from S7 has said in the past that the order numbers don't have to be very high for them to mass produce their runs. Like 500 orders would probably be the minimum needed on these if I were to guess, and I think they sold at least that many. I agree the first figures were bad, and they're too expensive, and the Good Brothers popularity is kind of at an all time low, but I do think WWE shutting these down seems more likely than just not filling the orders, which Super7 would have known right away when the order window closed. Ringside and Big Bad probably covered the minimum with their orders alone. I bought the Myers for $20 during the Cyber sales. I think it's a good figure, but I like the New Japan figures as well, at least more than most. It's definitely not S7's best stuff, because TMNT and Thundercats are both some of the best toys on the market, but I thought they were good in terms of accessories and overall look. Glad we got Okada/Tana/Naito, personally. I think I'd grab that second Cardona if it comes down to $40 or so just so I have both Major guys. Would love for them to do more characters that other companies aren't making, or to outright do more New Japan guys. So... Most factories have a minimum requirement in order to take on your project. And it's definitely well above 500. You only see that limitation on certain chases or rare figures if they are already working on specific lines. Otherwise, anything less just simply isn't worth it to said factories. I belive Super7 has a threshold of somewhere in the 5k-10k range with their factories. In most cases. Possibly more, as they're not really someone whom I have the most intimate inside working knowledge with. Just outside chatter, from people who used to work there or know people who currently still do. The most I know is that Brian (owner) is notoriously cheap, and will cut any corners he can to get a few nickels to rub together in his own pocket. And if you see any of his interviews talking about the state of disarray that the toy world is in, most other toy heads roll their eyes. It's simply untrue. There are difficulties, but all of the BS he talks about is merely noise, simply designed to defend the outrageous prices he's charging for figures. Did you hear the one about the price of Glow in the Dark dust being through the roof? LAUGHABLE. Have a buddy who's head designer on a toyline that recently did glow in the dark figures, and we laughed about that one for weeks. It's literally pennies to cost out that feature. But the price is ASTRONOMICAL according to Brian Flynn. I will also say that anyone considering giving them their money know the following: -They are overcharging you intentionally. -They cut corners to save money, knowingly misleading you. -Almost positive that they use funds on current preorders to pay for previous projects, which is unethical, and pretty much illegal. -They are spreading themselves far too thin with properties. -They just laid off a LOT of people right before Christmas. People who had amazing ideas for the betterment of the company, that would often fall on deaf ears. And then...announced new license after license this past week. Are you a former employee? Perhaps you are Brian and this oddly therapeutic for you 🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 21:06:42 GMT -5
So... Most factories have a minimum requirement in order to take on your project. And it's definitely well above 500. You only see that limitation on certain chases or rare figures if they are already working on specific lines. Otherwise, anything less just simply isn't worth it to said factories. I belive Super7 has a threshold of somewhere in the 5k-10k range with their factories. In most cases. Possibly more, as they're not really someone whom I have the most intimate inside working knowledge with. Just outside chatter, from people who used to work there or know people who currently still do. The most I know is that Brian (owner) is notoriously cheap, and will cut any corners he can to get a few nickels to rub together in his own pocket. And if you see any of his interviews talking about the state of disarray that the toy world is in, most other toy heads roll their eyes. It's simply untrue. There are difficulties, but all of the BS he talks about is merely noise, simply designed to defend the outrageous prices he's charging for figures. Did you hear the one about the price of Glow in the Dark dust being through the roof? LAUGHABLE. Have a buddy who's head designer on a toyline that recently did glow in the dark figures, and we laughed about that one for weeks. It's literally pennies to cost out that feature. But the price is ASTRONOMICAL according to Brian Flynn. I will also say that anyone considering giving them their money know the following: -They are overcharging you intentionally. -They cut corners to save money, knowingly misleading you. -Almost positive that they use funds on current preorders to pay for previous projects, which is unethical, and pretty much illegal. -They are spreading themselves far too thin with properties. -They just laid off a LOT of people right before Christmas. People who had amazing ideas for the betterment of the company, that would often fall on deaf ears. And then...announced new license after license this past week. Are you a former employee? Perhaps you are Brian and this oddly therapeutic for you 🤔 I've been found. Yes, it is I, Brian Flynn. Now please stop asking. I'm not telling you who I am. |
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Post by ajay182 on Jan 13, 2023 21:08:13 GMT -5
I don't buy the "WWE shut them down" thing whatsoever. There's no recent evidence of it - in fact, there's a mountain to the contrary. There are other guys WWE signed/re-signed that have figures in production with other manufacturers and being allowed to release - Gargano, Jonah and Kross to name three. Cody having AEW figures released after he'd left is another example. Let alone the vast number of reverse examples, where WWE has released figures of talent who've gone elsewhere. If merch deals have been signed, companies are generally being allowed to see them out. You have a point but maybe its on a case by case basis. Since WWE did recently shut down RVD and DiBiase figures that were going to be produced by other companies. I think (and admittedly this is guesswork) but examples like that tend to be confined to Legends deals. I agree, we've seen a few things like that happen, but to the best of my recollection, in recent years its primarily been connected to Legends deals. Could be something related to being recently active as a wrestler in other companies makes it harder to crack down recent depictions. Legacy depictions however would be the sole reason for WWE even offering a Legends deal. |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jan 13, 2023 21:43:21 GMT -5
Are you a former employee? Perhaps you are Brian and this oddly therapeutic for you 🤔 I've been found. Yes, it is I, Brian Flynn. Now please stop asking. I'm not telling you who I am. Do you have a massive chip on your shoulder dude? This post and the previous one wasn’t meant to upset you. The first time I commented, you made it sound as though you had gone through a number of Brian’s interviews, followed him on social media, etc. That’s why I asked for a source. The second time was more in jest but you got very bitter, very quickly. Everything you said sounded plausible about Brian but it sounded closer to things a store employee would overhear as opposed to someone who knows him. It’s cool that you don’t answer or don’t want to lose a friend but just try and chill out a bit. We aren’t all angry and out to get you 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 21:58:41 GMT -5
I've been found. Yes, it is I, Brian Flynn. Now please stop asking. I'm not telling you who I am. Do you have a massive chip on your shoulder dude? This post and the previous one wasn’t meant to upset you. The first time I commented, you made it sound as though you had gone through a number of Brian’s interviews, followed him on social media, etc. That’s why I asked for a source. The second time was more in jest but you got very bitter, very quickly. Everything you said sounded plausible about Brian but it sounded closer to things a store employee would overhear as opposed to someone who knows him. It’s cool that you don’t answer or don’t want to lose a friend but just try and chill out a bit. We aren’t all angry and out to get you 😂 You have to understand the select few I deal with on here any time I share tidbits. My apologies for coming across harsh and defensive. But no...it's first hand stuff. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 14, 2023 10:09:54 GMT -5
It seems like it was being insinuated that WWE put a stop to them. I don't think the demand was high for these, but Brian from S7 has said in the past that the order numbers don't have to be very high for them to mass produce their runs. Like 500 orders would probably be the minimum needed on these if I were to guess, and I think they sold at least that many. I agree the first figures were bad, and they're too expensive, and the Good Brothers popularity is kind of at an all time low, but I do think WWE shutting these down seems more likely than just not filling the orders, which Super7 would have known right away when the order window closed. Ringside and Big Bad probably covered the minimum with their orders alone. I bought the Myers for $20 during the Cyber sales. I think it's a good figure, but I like the New Japan figures as well, at least more than most. It's definitely not S7's best stuff, because TMNT and Thundercats are both some of the best toys on the market, but I thought they were good in terms of accessories and overall look. Glad we got Okada/Tana/Naito, personally. I think I'd grab that second Cardona if it comes down to $40 or so just so I have both Major guys. Would love for them to do more characters that other companies aren't making, or to outright do more New Japan guys. So... Most factories have a minimum requirement in order to take on your project. And it's definitely well above 500. You only see that limitation on certain chases or rare figures if they are already working on specific lines. Otherwise, anything less just simply isn't worth it to said factories. I belive Super7 has a threshold of somewhere in the 5k-10k range with their factories. In most cases. Possibly more, as they're not really someone whom I have the most intimate inside working knowledge with. Just outside chatter, from people who used to work there or know people who currently still do. The most I know is that Brian (owner) is notoriously cheap, and will cut any corners he can to get a few nickels to rub together in his own pocket. And if you see any of his interviews talking about the state of disarray that the toy world is in, most other toy heads roll their eyes. It's simply untrue. There are difficulties, but all of the BS he talks about is merely noise, simply designed to defend the outrageous prices he's charging for figures. Did you hear the one about the price of Glow in the Dark dust being through the roof? LAUGHABLE. Have a buddy who's head designer on a toyline that recently did glow in the dark figures, and we laughed about that one for weeks. It's literally pennies to cost out that feature. But the price is ASTRONOMICAL according to Brian Flynn. I will also say that anyone considering giving them their money know the following: -They are overcharging you intentionally. -They cut corners to save money, knowingly misleading you. -Almost positive that they use funds on current preorders to pay for previous projects, which is unethical, and pretty much illegal. -They are spreading themselves far too thin with properties. -They just laid off a LOT of people right before Christmas. People who had amazing ideas for the betterment of the company, that would often fall on deaf ears. And then...announced new license after license this past week.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 11:21:35 GMT -5
Can you clarify, since you highlighted a specific phrase of that post? |
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