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Post by walter7paisley on Jul 31, 2023 11:35:14 GMT -5
Yeah I don't really understand that comment. Why would anyone who felt excluded from something they wanted to buy act reasonably about it? What's unreasonable behaviour in that instance, anyway? Firing a missile across the ocean might be considered unreasonable, simply complaining would be pretty reasonable. Because not everything is a personal attack. It was an upstart small business where he still hadn’t quite figured out how to distribute internationally and from day one said he was going to try and make his figures available to international customers (which he eventually did) but that wasn’t good enough. Go back and read some of the comments made towards him if they haven’t been deleted and tell me how reasonable some were being. I don't particularly disagree, but this notion that it's unreasonable to want to be able to purchase something you're interested in doesn't make a lot of sense to me. International buyers really can and do get the crappy end of the stick sometimes, which is why they feel left out of the equation. In the case of ZST, he didn't exactly make international buyers feel like they were even valued, that was the real problem as far as I could see it. If a company is struggling to put a product across an ocean, that's not malicious, it's merely a logistical problem. You just explain to that portion of the customer base that it's not likely to happen soon but you're working on it... You don't crap on that portion of the customer base unless you're a really bad businessman. People are gonna get upset, that's not unreasonable behaviour. People going overboard about it could be considered unreasonable, but I fail to see how ZST covered himself in glory during that period, anyway. It's all about moving forward. People around the world want this stuff, so it's about making that possible and growing your business. Toys, make 'em, sell 'em, to as many people as is possible. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 31, 2023 11:56:35 GMT -5
Because not everything is a personal attack. It was an upstart small business where he still hadn’t quite figured out how to distribute internationally and from day one said he was going to try and make his figures available to international customers (which he eventually did) but that wasn’t good enough. Go back and read some of the comments made towards him if they haven’t been deleted and tell me how reasonable some were being. I don't particularly disagree, but this notion that it's unreasonable to want to be able to purchase something you're interested in doesn't make a lot of sense to me. International buyers really can and do get the crappy end of the stick sometimes, which is why they feel left out of the equation. In the case of ZST, he didn't exactly make international buyers feel like they were even valued, that was the real problem as far as I could see it. If a company is struggling to put a product across an ocean, that's not malicious, it's merely a logistical problem. You just explain to that portion of the customer base that it's not likely to happen soon but you're working on it... You don't crap on that portion of the customer base unless you're a really bad businessman. People are gonna get upset, that's not unreasonable behaviour. People going overboard about it could be considered unreasonable, but I fail to see how ZST covered himself in glory during that period, anyway. It's all about moving forward. People around the world want this stuff, so it's about making that possible and growing your business. Toys, make 'em, sell 'em, to as many people as is possible. IIRC he tried to address it cordially and the overreaction & venomous responses were piling on not only here but on all of his social media accounts as well. Again, not really excusing his reaction, but I can see why he hit a breaking point and lashed out. We’re not talking about people expressing their disappointment of not being able to initially purchase a product and he went on a tirade. |
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Post by walter7paisley on Jul 31, 2023 12:49:53 GMT -5
I don't particularly disagree, but this notion that it's unreasonable to want to be able to purchase something you're interested in doesn't make a lot of sense to me. International buyers really can and do get the crappy end of the stick sometimes, which is why they feel left out of the equation. In the case of ZST, he didn't exactly make international buyers feel like they were even valued, that was the real problem as far as I could see it. If a company is struggling to put a product across an ocean, that's not malicious, it's merely a logistical problem. You just explain to that portion of the customer base that it's not likely to happen soon but you're working on it... You don't crap on that portion of the customer base unless you're a really bad businessman. People are gonna get upset, that's not unreasonable behaviour. People going overboard about it could be considered unreasonable, but I fail to see how ZST covered himself in glory during that period, anyway. It's all about moving forward. People around the world want this stuff, so it's about making that possible and growing your business. Toys, make 'em, sell 'em, to as many people as is possible. IIRC he tried to address it cordially and the overreaction & venomous responses were piling on not only here but on all of his social media accounts as well. Again, not really excusing his reaction, but I can see why he hit a breaking point and lashed out. We’re not talking about people expressing their disappointment of not being able to initially purchase a product and he went on a tirade. Some people are a few waves short of an ocean, ZST's not far behind them, imo. For me, it was his hissy fit about people in the UK that I found poor. Overall, I don't judge a company based on the people operating them, so it didn't really affect me, but I can see why it might. |
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Post by casanova on Jul 31, 2023 13:25:30 GMT -5
I don't particularly disagree, but this notion that it's unreasonable to want to be able to purchase something you're interested in doesn't make a lot of sense to me. International buyers really can and do get the crappy end of the stick sometimes, which is why they feel left out of the equation. In the case of ZST, he didn't exactly make international buyers feel like they were even valued, that was the real problem as far as I could see it. If a company is struggling to put a product across an ocean, that's not malicious, it's merely a logistical problem. You just explain to that portion of the customer base that it's not likely to happen soon but you're working on it... You don't crap on that portion of the customer base unless you're a really bad businessman. People are gonna get upset, that's not unreasonable behaviour. People going overboard about it could be considered unreasonable, but I fail to see how ZST covered himself in glory during that period, anyway. It's all about moving forward. People around the world want this stuff, so it's about making that possible and growing your business. Toys, make 'em, sell 'em, to as many people as is possible. IIRC he tried to address it cordially and the overreaction & venomous responses were piling on not only here but on all of his social media accounts as well. Again, not really excusing his reaction, but I can see why he hit a breaking point and lashed out. We’re not talking about people expressing their disappointment of not being able to initially purchase a product and he went on a tirade. Sometimes it helps to just admit the own brainfart and move on. Anyway… |
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Post by crush on Jul 31, 2023 14:11:09 GMT -5
This is another situation where both sides of have some merit IMO. On the one hand, as has been said numerous times, Zombie's reactions have gone beyond unprofessional and rude at times, including the way he exploded on here. However, there absolutely were posts that went beyond overboard in being "insulted" that international shipping wasn't available from jump, and took it as a personal affront from Zombie to International collectors.
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Post by casanova on Jul 31, 2023 15:57:59 GMT -5
Zombie was vague at best. There was no clear straight „we‘re working on it but have to figure out“ answer. He started the preorder for US without any information if internationals will habe the possibility to order later, nor if stock would still be available. He went hush on this topic. (As a result I ordered these with a US address just tonsecure my set.)
If you look back people were asking when he opened the preoder for internationals if US sales were too low on its own. I still believe that this might be the case: if US sales were enough (reach number x), he wouldn’t have bothered about international orders. Thankfully they weren’t.
I will never understand the issues with international shipping. The customer pays the shipping quote. Applying the sticker with an international address is not that much of a difference. Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t see the issue there.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Jul 31, 2023 21:47:18 GMT -5
IIRC he tried to address it cordially and the overreaction & venomous responses were piling on not only here but on all of his social media accounts as well. Again, not really excusing his reaction, but I can see why he hit a breaking point and lashed out. We’re not talking about people expressing their disappointment of not being able to initially purchase a product and he went on a tirade. Sometimes it helps to just admit the own brainfart and move on. Anyway… Why do that when the option to put oneself on a pedestal and crap on international members is readily available? Not the first time either |
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Post by raylancrowder on Jul 31, 2023 23:53:19 GMT -5
Zombie was vague at best. There was no clear straight „we‘re working on it but have to figure out“ answer. He started the preorder for US without any information if internationals will habe the possibility to order later, nor if stock would still be available. He went hush on this topic. (As a result I ordered these with a US address just tonsecure my set.) If you look back people were asking when he opened the preoder for internationals if US sales were too low on its own. I still believe that this might be the case: if US sales were enough (reach number x), he wouldn’t have bothered about international orders. Thankfully they weren’t. I will never understand the issues with international shipping. The customer pays the shipping quote. Applying the sticker with an international address is not that much of a difference. Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t see the issue there. In 2021 the UK introduced some new and unclear posting rules, such as the seller is the one to collect the tax. Zombie was treading water because of that. |
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Post by casanova on Aug 1, 2023 15:14:58 GMT -5
Zombie was vague at best. There was no clear straight „we‘re working on it but have to figure out“ answer. He started the preorder for US without any information if internationals will habe the possibility to order later, nor if stock would still be available. He went hush on this topic. (As a result I ordered these with a US address just tonsecure my set.) If you look back people were asking when he opened the preoder for internationals if US sales were too low on its own. I still believe that this might be the case: if US sales were enough (reach number x), he wouldn’t have bothered about international orders. Thankfully they weren’t. I will never understand the issues with international shipping. The customer pays the shipping quote. Applying the sticker with an international address is not that much of a difference. Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t see the issue there. In 2021 the UK introduced some new and unclear posting rules, such as the seller is the one to collect the tax. Zombie was treading water because of that. So it’s more than a sticker with a different address, ok. But this dies not count for Australia, Europe, Canada or others (don’t remember if Canada was available from the beginning). All he had to do was give an honest clear statement. That was what people were bagging for. Personally I realized that we won’t get an answer so I looked for other options to not lose out on the figures. Anyway… Zombie has meanwhile evolved to a respected and reliable international seller amd the comment about „our international members“ is still dumb. But as long as I habe my figures I am happy. Really hate having missed Johnny Gargano though. Maybe any of our beloved worldwide members will habe one for sale once it is released. 🤞🏻 |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Aug 2, 2023 9:13:03 GMT -5
The whole international shipping thing is a bit strange to me but everyone’s experience is different. On one hand, I have ordered numerous things from Japan which has been difficult at times but I never became upset over the large fees associated with that…it was just something I took into consideration when buying. Similar to the things I’ve ordered from all over Europe. It just seems to be the “collector’s tax” so to speak. Everyone would prefer to pay less ESPECIALLY when it is a government pocketing that money…but I never shook my first directly at New Japan or whoever else because of the additional costs…then again, the NJPW President never mocked and insulted Americans openly for wanting easier access to their products.
Aaaaannnyyyway…..
Out of everyone signed for Heels and Faces 4” (Hasbro) line, who do you guys want to see most turned into 6” figures? Raven? Andre? One Man Gang? Mark Sterling? nZo? Jack Tunney?
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 2, 2023 9:30:45 GMT -5
The whole international shipping thing is a bit strange to me but everyone’s experience is different. On one hand, I have ordered numerous things from Japan which has been difficult at times but I never became upset over the large fees associated with that…it was just something I took into consideration when buying. Similar to the things I’ve ordered from all over Europe. It just seems to be the “collector’s tax” so to speak. Everyone would prefer to pay less ESPECIALLY when it is a government pocketing that money…but I never shook my first directly at New Japan or whoever else because of the additional costs…then again, the NJPW President never mocked and insulted Americans openly for wanting easier access to their products. Aaaaannnyyyway….. Out of everyone signed for Heels and Faces 4” (Hasbro) line, who do you guys want to see most turned into 6” figures? Raven? Andre? One Man Gang? Mark Sterling? nZo? Jack Tunney? Tunney, OMG, Hercules, Raven, Bravo, Taskmaster Sullivan are names off the top of my head I’d buy depending on price and how they turn out. No big desire for guys Mattel has already done. |
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 2, 2023 19:17:50 GMT -5
The whole international shipping thing is a bit strange to me but everyone’s experience is different. On one hand, I have ordered numerous things from Japan which has been difficult at times but I never became upset over the large fees associated with that…it was just something I took into consideration when buying. Similar to the things I’ve ordered from all over Europe. It just seems to be the “collector’s tax” so to speak. Everyone would prefer to pay less ESPECIALLY when it is a government pocketing that money…but I never shook my first directly at New Japan or whoever else because of the additional costs…then again, the NJPW President never mocked and insulted Americans openly for wanting easier access to their products. Aaaaannnyyyway….. Out of everyone signed for Heels and Faces 4” (Hasbro) line, who do you guys want to see most turned into 6” figures? Raven? Andre? One Man Gang? Mark Sterling? nZo? Jack Tunney? Definitely Power & Glory. Dino Bravo would be great, too. One Mang Gang, Jeff Jarrett, Slick, Jack Tunney, would be good, if the figure turned out great. |
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Post by sbayunco on Aug 2, 2023 19:29:23 GMT -5
OMG, Raven, Sandman. Also The Franchise SD. The whole international shipping thing is a bit strange to me but everyone’s experience is different. On one hand, I have ordered numerous things from Japan which has been difficult at times but I never became upset over the large fees associated with that…it was just something I took into consideration when buying. Similar to the things I’ve ordered from all over Europe. It just seems to be the “collector’s tax” so to speak. Everyone would prefer to pay less ESPECIALLY when it is a government pocketing that money…but I never shook my first directly at New Japan or whoever else because of the additional costs…then again, the NJPW President never mocked and insulted Americans openly for wanting easier access to their products. Aaaaannnyyyway….. Out of everyone signed for Heels and Faces 4” (Hasbro) line, who do you guys want to see most turned into 6” figures? Raven? Andre? One Man Gang? Mark Sterling? nZo? Jack Tunney? |
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Aug 2, 2023 19:34:46 GMT -5
Not sure where everyone else got their bad taste of ZST, all I know is mine came from being called poor all because I said that the Hawkins face in the retro didn’t look good to me. He told me “just because your too poor to buy them doesn’t make it bad”
So F him. Kindly pointed him to the legends sting, elite 1 Hardy’s, elite OMG, unreleased Angle and 2 unreleased RVD elites. He’s just a tool and should stay away from using social media to interact beyond posting pictures of upcoming pieces.
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Post by sbayunco on Aug 2, 2023 20:16:54 GMT -5
You're a better man than me. If he said that to me I'd drive to him. Hearing about the stuff he says to potential customers make me dislike the guy. Karma will catch him. In the meantime I want a scaled OMG, Raven, Shane Douglas fig and then hope he sharts himself. Not sure where everyone else got their bad taste of ZST, all I know is mine came from being called poor all because I said that the Hawkins face in the retro didn’t look good to me. He told me “just because your too poor to buy them doesn’t make it bad” So F him. Kindly pointed him to the legends sting, elite 1 Hardy’s, elite OMG, unreleased Angle and 2 unreleased RVD elites. He’s just a tool and should stay away from using social media to interact beyond posting pictures of upcoming pieces. |
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Aug 2, 2023 20:39:01 GMT -5
You're a better man than me. If he said that to me I'd drive to him. Hearing about the stuff he says to potential customers make me dislike the guy. Karma will catch him. In the meantime I want a scaled OMG, Raven, Shane Douglas fig and then hope he sharts himself. Not sure where everyone else got their bad taste of ZST, all I know is mine came from being called poor all because I said that the Hawkins face in the retro didn’t look good to me. He told me “just because your too poor to buy them doesn’t make it bad” So F him. Kindly pointed him to the legends sting, elite 1 Hardy’s, elite OMG, unreleased Angle and 2 unreleased RVD elites. He’s just a tool and should stay away from using social media to interact beyond posting pictures of upcoming pieces. Would you bring him something to eat? |
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Post by mcfclee on Aug 3, 2023 5:25:35 GMT -5
7 months since this thread started, has the Double J got a prototype? Is it still on the cards?
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Post by drblazelj on Aug 16, 2023 16:46:18 GMT -5
So is the lineup officially complete or is it just Pillman, Bundy and Jarrett (if he’s still on the way)?
Just saw pictures of the One Man Gang retro and would love a 6” scale version
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 17, 2023 14:12:46 GMT -5
So is the lineup officially complete or is it just Pillman, Bundy and Jarrett (if he’s still on the way)? Just saw pictures of the One Man Gang retro and would love a 6” scale version Wave one is Double J, Pillman, Bundy, and another big man. My guess it’s either Andre or OMG. |
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Post by Chicago on Sept 20, 2023 23:32:04 GMT -5
Updated look at Pillman: Full image:  |
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