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Post by stc13 on Jan 6, 2023 17:46:57 GMT -5
Honestly, I would just take anything at this point. I'm kind of shocked, given how amazing Jeremy was in terms of the Classic Superstars line, that the Luminaries has been pretty much a complete bust so far. First they give us a Modern Sting, then they give us a Jericho that pretty much nobody wanted. Then an Owen Hart exlusive, which is amazing in terms of getting him in any figure form. But he was in outfits that pretty much nobody remembers him in and probably didn't sell very well. When the line was announced I was dreaming of Old School Tazz, Rock n Roll express, old school Sting, Dustin Rhodes etc. Instead it has all been a pass for me. Totally agreed. Clearly something shifted. When the line was announced, Jeremy was very vocal about legends. Tweeting constantly, even at one point mistakenly tweeting a fake Terry Funk account saying that he'd love to talk with him about a contract. And you had a visible presence of legends in AEW - DDP match, Bret Hart debuting the belt, cameos by Glacier, regional legends, etc. The RnR Express were rumored to be signing a deal with Jazwares. Now we're 2 years in and we've gotten a total of 2 figures in semi-obscure international attires. Who knows what changed or if we'll ever get the story. Maybe AEW said they want the focus to be on current and contracted talent. Maybe the Jazwares legal team and ownership took a look at the projected revenues and potential cost of litigation and said it's not worth inviting potential action from WWE, even if they'd win. As the saying goes, plans change. It seems like they won't even touch anything that could be associated with a tape library WWE owns with a 10 foot pole. But it seems like PowerTown and now possibly Zombie Sailor are stepping into that market gap. Total missed opportunity from Jazwares, imo.
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Post by YeehawMan on Jan 6, 2023 23:44:30 GMT -5
Honestly, I would just take anything at this point. I'm kind of shocked, given how amazing Jeremy was in terms of the Classic Superstars line, that the Luminaries has been pretty much a complete bust so far. First they give us a Modern Sting, then they give us a Jericho that pretty much nobody wanted. Then an Owen Hart exlusive, which is amazing in terms of getting him in any figure form. But he was in outfits that pretty much nobody remembers him in and probably didn't sell very well. When the line was announced I was dreaming of Old School Tazz, Rock n Roll express, old school Sting, Dustin Rhodes etc. Instead it has all been a pass for me. Totally agreed. Clearly something shifted. When the line was announced, Jeremy was very vocal about legends. Tweeting constantly, even at one point mistakenly tweeting a fake Terry Funk account saying that he'd love to talk with him about a contract. And you had a visible presence of legends in AEW - DDP match, Bret Hart debuting the belt, cameos by Glacier, regional legends, etc. The RnR Express were rumored to be signing a deal with Jazwares. Now we're 2 years in and we've gotten a total of 2 figures in semi-obscure international attires. Who knows what changed or if we'll ever get the story. Maybe AEW said they want the focus to be on current and contracted talent. Maybe the Jazwares legal team and ownership took a look at the projected revenues and potential cost of litigation and said it's not worth inviting potential action from WWE, even if they'd win. As the saying goes, plans change. It seems like they won't even touch anything that could be associated with a tape library WWE owns with a 10 foot pole. But it seems like PowerTown and now possibly Zombie Sailor are stepping into that market gap. Total missed opportunity from Jazwares, imo. Now is probably the best time for them to role out some legends figures, WWE is pre occupied with huge things atm and Jazwares making figs of legends probably isn’t a priority for them to go after
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Post by personagamer on Jan 6, 2023 23:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Jan 7, 2023 6:22:56 GMT -5
Totally agreed. Clearly something shifted. When the line was announced, Jeremy was very vocal about legends. Tweeting constantly, even at one point mistakenly tweeting a fake Terry Funk account saying that he'd love to talk with him about a contract. And you had a visible presence of legends in AEW - DDP match, Bret Hart debuting the belt, cameos by Glacier, regional legends, etc. The RnR Express were rumored to be signing a deal with Jazwares. Now we're 2 years in and we've gotten a total of 2 figures in semi-obscure international attires. Who knows what changed or if we'll ever get the story. Maybe AEW said they want the focus to be on current and contracted talent. Maybe the Jazwares legal team and ownership took a look at the projected revenues and potential cost of litigation and said it's not worth inviting potential action from WWE, even if they'd win. As the saying goes, plans change. It seems like they won't even touch anything that could be associated with a tape library WWE owns with a 10 foot pole. But it seems like PowerTown and now possibly Zombie Sailor are stepping into that market gap. Total missed opportunity from Jazwares, imo. Now is probably the best time for them to role out some legends figures, WWE is pre occupied with huge things atm and Jazwares making figs of legends probably isn’t a priority for them to go after It does seem like a very big missed opportunity. But like you said, there has to be something else going on that we don't know about because if there is one thing I know about Jeremy, it is that he will try to populate wrestling figure lines with as many obscure characters as possible. This is a guy that gave us freaking Tank Abbott and Johnny Rodz haha. There is no way this is from his lack of trying, there are bigger forces at play here.
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 8, 2023 12:10:25 GMT -5
It’s interesting with Jeremy
I stopped following him because AEW stuff dried up and his Twitter seemed to just be about the collectables and rare Pokémon cards etc rather than wrestling stuff.
Important to note that’s his prerogative, it’s not a business account but a personal one and he can talk about what he wants, it’s not for me so I unfollowed.
But he does then occasionally tease things or drop comments eluding to things which seemingly never transpire.
A good example being his post asking what aew retro style figures people would be into: a hasbro style or a ljn style. Hasbro won the vote easily yet as we know ljn lime got made. Again that’s fine not all business decisions should be floated or taken on Twitter. But then why ask the poll? What purpose did it serve if the results ignored? All it did was get people talking about hasbro style aew figs which never transpired.
This is all a long winded way of saying the Jeremy of today is possibly a lot different to the Jeremy of the classics era and you’d expect that because s lot of times transpired. So I don’t think you can compare aew luminaries to classics.
Also wwe has a rich heritage (created or acquired via acquisitions) v a company who I probably have tins of food older than in the back of my cupboards. If jazwares did a non-aew branded ‘wrestling superstars’ line and the promoted that as a chance to create dream matches with current aew v superstars of a past era etc I think that would be more ‘legit’ (for want of a better word) than aew branding for wrestlers who never were there or made 1 appearance (I.e. bret hart). But then without the aew name would it cary the same weight? I think it could.
It’s also worth noting companies wanting current wrestlers promoted is nothing new. There was a wwe jada metals line which advertised AJ styles, Roman, seth, Sami, hhh etc and then macho, warrior, piper etc. the current crop come out but not the legends. I asked jada why, they said something to the effect wwe wanted the current stars and told them to hold fire on the legends which never ended up coming out
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Post by stc13 on Jan 8, 2023 17:35:58 GMT -5
It’s interesting with Jeremy I stopped following him because AEW stuff dried up and his Twitter seemed to just be about the collectables and rare Pokémon cards etc rather than wrestling stuff. Important to note that’s his prerogative, it’s not a business account but a personal one and he can talk about what he wants, it’s not for me so I unfollowed. But he does then occasionally tease things or drop comments eluding to things which seemingly never transpire. A good example being his post asking what aew retro style figures people would be into: a hasbro style or a ljn style. Hasbro won the vote easily yet as we know ljn lime got made. Again that’s fine not all business decisions should be floated or taken on Twitter. But then why ask the poll? What purpose did it serve if the results ignored? All it did was get people talking about hasbro style aew figs which never transpired. This is all a long winded way of saying the Jeremy of today is possibly a lot different to the Jeremy of the classics era and you’d expect that because s lot of times transpired. So I don’t think you can compare aew luminaries to classics. Also wwe has a rich heritage (created or acquired via acquisitions) v a company who I probably have tins of food older than in the back of my cupboards. If jazwares did a non-aew branded ‘wrestling superstars’ line and the promoted that as a chance to create dream matches with current aew v superstars of a past era etc I think that would be more ‘legit’ (for want of a better word) than aew branding for wrestlers who never were there or made 1 appearance (I.e. bret hart). But then without the aew name would it cary the same weight? I think it could. It’s also worth noting companies wanting current wrestlers promoted is nothing new. There was a wwe jada metals line which advertised AJ styles, Roman, seth, Sami, hhh etc and then macho, warrior, piper etc. the current crop come out but not the legends. I asked jada why, they said something to the effect wwe wanted the current stars and told them to hold fire on the legends which never ended up coming out All great points. Jeremy of the mid 00's was also overseeing the line in a role similar to what Steve does for Mattel. Today he's a co-owner of a company that just got acquired by one of the world's leading investment companies. It's natural to grind harder when you're younger and trying to make your mark. And in his current role, this line of one of many he probably has some hand in. And toys and branding in general is just so different. Everything seems more carefully curated to present the picture the company wants. There was a lot more leeway and less licensor involvement 15 years ago. And the loss of TRU is huge - toy companies lost that vendor who had the space and patience to take riskier or bigger products. Today they have to play to the middle to appease Walmart/Target/Amazon, and even then those buyers hold all the cards. It's definitely not cut any dry by any means. Hopefully we'll start getting some answers in the next week or two. Otherwise, we may be waiting until after Chinese New Year.
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 9, 2023 1:57:09 GMT -5
It’s interesting with Jeremy I stopped following him because AEW stuff dried up and his Twitter seemed to just be about the collectables and rare Pokémon cards etc rather than wrestling stuff. Important to note that’s his prerogative, it’s not a business account but a personal one and he can talk about what he wants, it’s not for me so I unfollowed. But he does then occasionally tease things or drop comments eluding to things which seemingly never transpire. A good example being his post asking what aew retro style figures people would be into: a hasbro style or a ljn style. Hasbro won the vote easily yet as we know ljn lime got made. Again that’s fine not all business decisions should be floated or taken on Twitter. But then why ask the poll? What purpose did it serve if the results ignored? All it did was get people talking about hasbro style aew figs which never transpired. This is all a long winded way of saying the Jeremy of today is possibly a lot different to the Jeremy of the classics era and you’d expect that because s lot of times transpired. So I don’t think you can compare aew luminaries to classics. Also wwe has a rich heritage (created or acquired via acquisitions) v a company who I probably have tins of food older than in the back of my cupboards. If jazwares did a non-aew branded ‘wrestling superstars’ line and the promoted that as a chance to create dream matches with current aew v superstars of a past era etc I think that would be more ‘legit’ (for want of a better word) than aew branding for wrestlers who never were there or made 1 appearance (I.e. bret hart). But then without the aew name would it cary the same weight? I think it could. It’s also worth noting companies wanting current wrestlers promoted is nothing new. There was a wwe jada metals line which advertised AJ styles, Roman, seth, Sami, hhh etc and then macho, warrior, piper etc. the current crop come out but not the legends. I asked jada why, they said something to the effect wwe wanted the current stars and told them to hold fire on the legends which never ended up coming out All great points. Jeremy of the mid 00's was also overseeing the line in a role similar to what Steve does for Mattel. Today he's a co-owner of a company that just got acquired by one of the world's leading investment companies. It's natural to grind harder when you're younger and trying to make your mark. And in his current role, this line of one of many he probably has some hand in. And toys and branding in general is just so different. Everything seems more carefully curated to present the picture the company wants. There was a lot more leeway and less licensor involvement 15 years ago. And the loss of TRU is huge - toy companies lost that vendor who had the space and patience to take riskier or bigger products. Today they have to play to the middle to appease Walmart/Target/Amazon, and even then those buyers hold all the cards. It's definitely not cut any dry by any means. Hopefully we'll start getting some answers in the next week or two. Otherwise, we may be waiting until after Chinese New Year. The loss of toys r us is huge. We’re lucky over here we still have 2 dedicated toy stores (entertainer bring a shopping centre / mall type - akin to what I think kb was like way back when) and smyths which is like what our toys r us was (usually on a retail park - what Americans call a strip mall I think) and in a big warehouse type deal. So when we lost toys r us, we still had plenty of options. However we don’t have the size of country, volume of people to have anywhere near the amount of wrestling fans that America had and toys r us serviced. Our supermarkets / variety stores which are our version of target, Walmart etc pretty much stick to stocking Cena, Roman etc snd top picks. So without smyths and entertainer (even though they don’t get all lines) we’d be well screwed
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 9, 2023 3:52:20 GMT -5
The line should focus on AEW & ROH with a few Owen type characters every once in a while
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 4:24:11 GMT -5
Jerry Lynn for me, and a wrestling Attire Taz
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Post by Scott! on Jan 11, 2023 18:59:08 GMT -5
The line should focus on AEW & ROH with a few Owen type characters every once in a while I get that, because you wanna see a lot of people in the line that have never had figures before and that are on TV. You're right though, a few now and again would be great! I hope we get looks of guys that we haven't seen in figure form from the Luminaries.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 14, 2023 8:29:58 GMT -5
I can’t believe they’ve had Sting under a deal for over two years now and we’ve basically gotten the same figure four times.
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Post by captncharisma19 on Jan 14, 2023 12:11:36 GMT -5
Olympics Mark Henry? Maybe a street gear from his WWE days rmthat wouldn't be copyrighted? Could he wear the salmon jacket for Rampage and we get that Mark Henry?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 12:42:42 GMT -5
I can’t believe they’ve had Sting under a deal for over two years now and we’ve basically gotten the same figure four times. I could have sworn a singlet version was supposed to come out but man...nada
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 14, 2023 12:51:00 GMT -5
I can’t believe they’ve had Sting under a deal for over two years now and we’ve basically gotten the same figure four times. I could have sworn a singlet version was supposed to come out but man...nada I’d love a singlet version. Anything other than the long sleeve tee with comically skinny arms
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Post by d0thed3al on Jan 14, 2023 16:12:19 GMT -5
I'm almost guaranteeing we get Stinglet in Supreme edition. Jazwares knows collectors wants it so they'll charge as much as they can. Same thing happens with the Ultimates. I think it'd be cool to see a Bound For Glory 06 Sting. AEW has the relationships to pull it off so it's a matter of interest. TNA put out a Surfer Sting figure under their Legends banner and said it was actually depicting Sting in New Japan, maybe Jazwares/AEW does the same? (Sassy Sting pose aside) I can only find few instances of The Giant wrestling outside of a WCW billed event, Jazwares can pull from there. Idk after Punk got labeled a Luminary as the World Champion I feel they could pull anyone on the roster and say "here's their old gimmick on a figure".
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Post by Raoul the Great on Jan 14, 2023 20:30:11 GMT -5
I would like to see:
Sabu Shane Douglas Masato Tanaka Mike Awesome Jerry Lynn Chris Candido Antonio Inoki Bad News Brown Grand Wizard Ernie Ladd Hayabusa Mil Muertos Aerostar Vampiro Konnan Blue Demon Jack Evans Jim Cornette Nick Bockwinkel Verne Gagne Lou Thesz
Pretty much everyone Mattel isn’t making
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 20, 2023 14:18:16 GMT -5
Yeah I bet Jazwares will get right on that Jim Cornette figure…
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Post by champofakind on Jan 21, 2023 15:23:18 GMT -5
Cornette would sell better than 95 percent of their roster.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jan 21, 2023 16:03:00 GMT -5
I can’t believe they’ve had Sting under a deal for over two years now and we’ve basically gotten the same figure four times. Nobody wants a shirted Sting for the 20th time. I still want my damn '98 singlet Crow Sting. You can't tell me WWE is going to notice the difference between a '98 Sting and a '03,'06 version. They probably think it's the same look (as most fans do). All they have to do is put his current photo on the package.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 21, 2023 16:59:15 GMT -5
I can’t believe they’ve had Sting under a deal for over two years now and we’ve basically gotten the same figure four times. Nobody wants a shirted Sting for the 20th time. I still want my damn '98 singlet Crow Sting. You can't tell me WWE is going to notice the difference between a '98 Sting and a '03,'06 version. They probably think it's the same look (as most fans do). All they have to do is put his current photo on the package. I’m down for anything sting that’s not old man long sleeves
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