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Post by Jeremiah on Sept 17, 2021 18:21:40 GMT -5
So i was not there but because of a story on a plane were money was given to settle a lawsuit. 19 years later its been brought up with accusing and because didnt speak ill of the target everyone is now mad at him. I knew a few girls who were flight attendants in my younger years and they told me stuff they saw and did. So it may or may not have happened being punished for telling your side of the story is bs. And now i doubt many public figures will want to participate anymore as they are now in trouble for saying what they saw. When does it end
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 18:37:16 GMT -5
This would be the counter argument. A lot of public eye industries people would get suspended for those comments being made public. For anyone who doesn't know who Karl Frederick's is, he is an up and comer through the la dojo system in NJPW and is one hell of a great wrestler already. Not a random guy outside the business, he's part of the next generation coming in.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Sept 17, 2021 18:42:42 GMT -5
It ends when the disgusting behavior ends
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 18:47:47 GMT -5
It ends when the disgusting behavior ends Dude you could have just said never. But thankfully the newer generation of wrestlers seems to on the whole be a bunch of wrestling nerds rather than ex bouncers, etc. |
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Post by Jeremiah on Sept 17, 2021 19:22:04 GMT -5
But he gets punished for telling a story a story he was drunk at the time of said events and didnt want to talk ill of his friend thats like punishing everyone who worked along side bill cosby.
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 17, 2021 20:05:27 GMT -5
He wasnt suspended for "telling a story" he was suspended because he told a story and his reply to it was essentially "Oh well crap happens"....If he would have shown 1% remorse for the events that happened he would have been fine. I hate this cancel culture bullcrap & I think its asinine that people are going after Flair, Brock, Rhodes and now even Taker some 20 years later....but society has changed (whether good or bad) and you cant just be like "Ah well  it" when you're a public figure like Dreamer is. It ends when the disgusting behavior ends Dude you could have just said never. But thankfully the newer generation of wrestlers seems to on the whole be a bunch of wrestling nerds rather than ex bouncers, etc. I mean, almost the whole "metoo movement in wrestling were guys under 30/35 so I wouldnt say thats completely accurate. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on Sept 17, 2021 20:28:36 GMT -5
But he gets punished for telling a story a story he was drunk at the time of said events and didnt want to talk ill of his friend thats like punishing everyone who worked along side bill cosby. You know that he didn’t get punished for the story right? He got punished because he said it was just a gag and she didn’t have the right to feel the way she felt and he felt that she faked it all to get a payday and if she really felt that way she would have pushed on. It had nothing to do with the telling of the story brah. |
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Post by Darkhawk on Sept 17, 2021 21:33:42 GMT -5
Dreamer was wrong to defend Flair and brush off how the flight attendant felt that day. He could have shown a little remorse for her.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 17, 2021 22:26:49 GMT -5
My takeaway from the episode on the subject is that it probably happened. Dreamer came across as way too much of a Ric Flair fanboy to be in any state to be able to tell his side of the story/what he saw. His claim that it never happened was almost instantly opposed by RVD saying that he did see him force himself on her. His comments to me weren’t so bad until he got to the point where he basically accused her for coming at Ric for the money, using the excuse of “Well if she wanted the truth then why didnt she pursue that, she took the money instead”. My thoughts here are, especially with a company like WWE, her own employer seemingly trying to sweep this under the rug to keep his clientele’s privacy, and at times seemingly her husband even accusing her of what she did to incite that incident, her legal options were likely incredibly limited and instead of fighting with companies/megastars with more money individually than a hundred air flight attendants combined, she chose to go with what probably felt like the only route available to her. And Dreamer’s not a stupid guy, he worked there for almost 10 years, he knows this woman wouldn’t stand a chance in court. Hell the government came after Vince for steroid abuse and lost, what chance does this woman have?
What’s interesting now is now that the episode is out, now that the story is gaining mainstream (likely to gain more) attention, knowing a guy like Ric Flair you have to believe there’s got to be a hundred stories like this potentially. How long will it be before women start coming out of the woodwork with their hands out?
On a side note some of you folks on here are absolute scumbags. I’m sure it isn’t hard to figure out who I’m referring to.
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Post by Jeremiah on Sept 18, 2021 3:34:05 GMT -5
Im so glad you all where there and decided hes guilty. Remember austin beat his wifes grizzly touch his own daughter. Hogan hates black people and dreamer is disliked for not crying for the victim.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Sept 18, 2021 7:02:59 GMT -5
Im so glad you all where there and decided hes guilty. Remember austin beat his wifes grizzly touch his own daughter. Hogan hates black people and dreamer is disliked for not crying for the victim. Only Grizzly is universally hated and despised in your "virtue-signalling" lineup here. Never the biggest star, and unable to make bookings because he's dead. What is your damn point? Frankly for all your talk of everyone jumping to conclusions, you're also making quite a leap by automatically painting Dreamer forever as a leper that nobody will ever touch again to make an argument how "wrong" we all are. |
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Sept 18, 2021 7:26:22 GMT -5
My takeaway from the episode on the subject is that it probably happened. Dreamer came across as way too much of a Ric Flair fanboy to be in any state to be able to tell his side of the story/what he saw. His claim that it never happened was almost instantly opposed by RVD saying that he did see him force himself on her. His comments to me weren’t so bad until he got to the point where he basically accused her for coming at Ric for the money, using the excuse of “Well if she wanted the truth then why didnt she pursue that, she took the money instead”. My thoughts here are, especially with a company like WWE, her own employer seemingly trying to sweep this under the rug to keep his clientele’s privacy, and at times seemingly her husband even accusing her of what she did to incite that incident, her legal options were likely incredibly limited and instead of fighting with companies/megastars with more money individually than a hundred air flight attendants combined, she chose to go with what probably felt like the only route available to her. And Dreamer’s not a stupid guy, he worked there for almost 10 years, he knows this woman wouldn’t stand a chance in court. Hell the government came after Vince for steroid abuse and lost, what chance does this woman have? What’s interesting now is now that the episode is out, now that the story is gaining mainstream (likely to gain more) attention, knowing a guy like Ric Flair you have to believe there’s got to be a hundred stories like this potentially. How long will it be before women start coming out of the woodwork with their hands out? On a side note some of you folks on here are absolute scumbags. I’m sure it isn’t hard to figure out who I’m referring to. Funny story, sort of relevant. Long before I knew what wrestling was my Great Aunt met Ric Flair in a Florida Night Club during his WCW days. Not as in she went up to meet him but in the sense that he was there and making his rounds. He eventually did speak to her and was belligerently drunk and kept asking to sign her breasts lmao. She said no of course. Always thought that was a comical gem bc I only knew my Great Aunt as an elderly woman. Just wanted to share that. |
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 18, 2021 11:41:48 GMT -5
Tommy fancies himself the defender of the legends. He did what he thought was right saying Howard Finkel hadn't had a stroke, that it was an issue with his brain. He tweeted Terry Funk didn't have dementia despite Terry's management stating he did not long after. He thinks he is the white knight of the downtrodden legends and this time he did what he thought was right. It was wrong, very wrong and he is going to pay for it.
Ric should be getting much worse than Tommy and a loss of a Car Shield deal is a small bit right now. I'm sure that sponsor money eats away at his drinking and partying money. I feel bad for his current wife. I'm sure when she married him she figured everything with Ric's actions were in the past and maybe they are, but he does deserve to pay for what he did. He needs to be the Ric we saw being there to support Steve McMichael and NOT the Ric that is starting to come out, the one from the Plane Ride...
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Post by bababooey on Sept 18, 2021 12:00:04 GMT -5
Tommy fancies himself the defender of the legends. He did what he thought was right saying Howard Finkel hadn't had a stroke, that it was an issue with his brain. He tweeted Terry Funk didn't have dementia despite Terry's management stating he did not long after. He thinks he is the white knight of the downtrodden legends and this time he did what he thought was right. It was wrong, very wrong and he is going to pay for it. Ric should be getting much worse than Tommy and a loss of a Car Shield deal is a small bit right now. I'm sure that sponsor money eats away at his drinking and partying money. I feel bad for his current wife. I'm sure when she married him she figured everything with Ric's actions were in the past and maybe they are, but he does deserve to pay for what he did. He needs to be the Ric we saw being there to support Steve McMichael and NOT the Ric that is starting to come out, the one from the Plane Ride... Not defending either of them, but I think the reason Tommy is getting the worse backlash is because this isn’t exactly a new story. I remember someone telling the story years ago, although they said Flair came out of the bathroom with just his robe and was opening it and yelling Wooo. Both Ric and Tommy are wrong, but I think with Ric, the story isn’t shocking. With Tommy, it’s like “How are you even saying this with a straight face?” The one thing though, is Dark Side of the Ring does generally have a bit of a hit piece element to it. If there isn’t some sort of controversy involved, the show has no appeal. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an episode where there hasn’t been at least one person having a wild take on the topic. For this episode, Tommy “played the heel”. I almost wonder if Tommy said what he said because he believed it or because he thought it would get him some attention |
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 18, 2021 12:38:22 GMT -5
The one thing though, is Dark Side of the Ring does generally have a bit of a hit piece element to it. If there isn’t some sort of controversy involved, the show has no appeal. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an episode where there hasn’t been at least one person having a wild take on the topic. For this episode, Tommy “played the heel”. I almost wonder if Tommy said what he said because he believed it or because he thought it would get him some attention I've never felt like Dark Side is a real hit piece. Maybe because most of the info I've seen I knew already (admittedly I only watched maybe half the first two seasons) but they seem like straight documentary. I know a lot of people on another board were pretty disappointed the Plane Ride episode was the opener as they thought there was not left they didn't already. That episode has seen more posts than any other episode on the Dark Side thread. I haven't watched it yet but will try to do so tomorrow. I am learning new things on various posts from people who have watched it and all these years I thought it was Hennig who took down Brock because he bragged about it so many times when doing in ring promos the last few months of his life. If Dark Side was a hit piece I would have liked more said about how Hawk screwed people with most being Animal or promotions. I personally got screwed by him when I signed up and paid for a Road Warriors fan club membership and I'm sure Hawk was no where to be found at the time so the supposed signed 8x10 they advertised was an 8x10 signed only "Road Warriors" in Animal's hand writing. I am an Animal fan, he was a great guy and I'm sure he felt sending a photo like that was good enough (coming from him, it was) but it would have been silly sending one just signed by him but again, I'm sure Hawk took off as he had a habit of doing so and left the fan club members high and dry. To me the Dark Side shows are documentaries and I personally think the producers, especially after this Plane Ride episode need some sort of prize, award or medal. They have the guts to go after the old boys network and show how crappy some of these guys really are/were. |
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Post by bababooey on Sept 18, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5
The one thing though, is Dark Side of the Ring does generally have a bit of a hit piece element to it. If there isn’t some sort of controversy involved, the show has no appeal. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an episode where there hasn’t been at least one person having a wild take on the topic. For this episode, Tommy “played the heel”. I almost wonder if Tommy said what he said because he believed it or because he thought it would get him some attention I've never felt like Dark Side is a real hit piece. Maybe because most of the info I've seen I knew already (admittedly I only watched maybe half the first two seasons) but they seem like straight documentary. I know a lot of people on another board were pretty disappointed the Plane Ride episode was the opener as they thought there was not left they didn't already. That episode has seen more posts than any other episode on the Dark Side thread. I haven't watched it yet but will try to do so tomorrow. I am learning new things on various posts from people who have watched it and all these years I thought it was Hennig who took down Brock because he bragged about it so many times when doing in ring promos the last few months of his life. If Dark Side was a hit piece I would have liked more said about how Hawk screwed people with most being Animal or promotions. I personally got screwed by him when I signed up and paid for a Road Warriors fan club membership and I'm sure Hawk was no where to be found at the time so the supposed signed 8x10 they advertised was an 8x10 signed only "Road Warriors" in Animal's hand writing. I am an Animal fan, he was a great guy and I'm sure he felt sending a photo like that was good enough (coming from him, it was) but it would have been silly sending one just signed by him but again, I'm sure Hawk took off as he had a habit of doing so and left the fan club members high and dry. To me the Dark Side shows are documentaries and I personally think the producers, especially after this Plane Ride episode need some sort of prize, award or medal. They have the guts to go after the old boys network and show how crappy some of these guys really are/were. Hit piece is maybe weak phrasing on my part. I’m trying to say like they seem to lean into controversial stuff. Like, I’m sure the producers know exactly what to expect when they are choosing who to interview. I haven’t watched the show in a bit, but it’s pretty interesting even though a lot of it isn’t really new information. |
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Post by Sizzle on Sept 18, 2021 15:03:22 GMT -5
I've always been a big fan of Tommy Dreamer but damn was that a stupid thing to say... He looked the worst out of everyone and he wasn't even the one they were discussing. There was probably some serious editing on Vice's behalf but that's no excuse. I don't understand the fit that one would throw about this or a suspension for Dreamer... Words are words but they do mean something, we saw it with Sammy Guevara in AEW a while back. He was suspended for his comments but he's back and slated for a big feud in the future. There's no doubt in my mind Tommy Dreamer will come out of this, especially if he shows some sort of remorse to the public. There's no excuse for the comments he made but what he said was nowhere near as bad as what Ric Flair actually did and Flair has had a fine career after the incident became public knowledge. This is a big deal right now but in the future it won't be as such. Impact is just covering their asses for the time being and I see no issue with it.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Sept 19, 2021 15:44:26 GMT -5
Dreamer posted a response to his Facebook, if anyone wants to grab it. Text is as reported by Wrestling News.
“Regarding my comments made on Dark Side of the Ring
It was never my intention to offend, hurt or victim shame anyone
I understand my comments were insensitive and could trigger emotions in someone’s own personal past.
I do not condone sexual misconduct of any kind.
I apologize to anyone I offended.
From the bottom of my heart
I am so sorry”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 16:04:29 GMT -5
Dreamer has always been a lowlife pig.
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 19, 2021 19:57:27 GMT -5
I hope it was worth it to him. Ric probably doesn't even know who he is. If he does, he probably talked crap about him to management and he would find someone to throw him under a literal bus for a few dollars. Bye Tommy!!!
He's not a "has been who never was," he's a "never was!"
Also, it's really sad that one person who took to victim blaming caused the Dark Side on the classic forum thread to be locked. Everyone was civil but one person kept on at it with the victim blaming and defense of Ric Flair. I hope that person is ready to pay Ric's legal bills when many more women come out because Ric sure isn't going to pay!
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