2021 Retro figures Zombie Sailor/Chella Toys/Nerd NJPW/ JSD

[onlymoc21]

Jun 15, 2021 11:13:49 GMT -5 newgenandy said:

In an Instagram post promoting the preorder reposted by the pod says:

“And for all of those saying this is “expensive” have you ever seen the cost of what manufacturing toys are? Probably not”

If you speak to people or come across in a certain way, chances are you’ll get the same sort of attitude back.

I’ve said multiple times I hope it works out well for him because he’s put a lot of time and money into it and I respect going out and getting it done and effort deserves reward in my book. But he doesn’t always help himself.

Very true I have noticed this with the pod too, early episodes they where so humble, grateful for the fanbase almost, now so entitled, thinking they are owed something and that they are representing the community, far from it, not when your only thinking of the bottom line and only promoting your friends, and if Zombie is not careful people are not going to be in on this line based on him as an individual, I feel all these guys need some sort of customer service training and advice. With regards to posts being removed it’s looking incredibly suspect that any negative with regards to this line is removed. When you examine the posts that have now been removed nothing broke any rules, so something is going on.

[Deep Figure Value]

It's a shame, because the figures do look good. There's a whole conversation about whether they'd jive well on a shelf with the OG Hasbros and whether or not you GAF about action features, but if the quality carries through to the final product, you're gonna have a nice looking figure. The hurdles for me here are the price and the proprietor. At the end of the day, I'm not gonna make waves by not giving my money to somebody just because they come off like a d*ck, but when you're out here speaking to people like that, on top of asking $40 for a figure - none of whom are worth a premium in my book - it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Thus far, I'm glad he hasn't signed anybody I would pay $40 for a Hasbro styled figure of, because it makes reckoning with the series that much easier.

[CM Tusk]

I think the figures look good. They aren’t Hasbro style, but they are at least in size. Still, no one currently signed is someone I’d want to spend $40 on a little figure of. I hope the line is successful and expands so one day I may end up spending money on figures in it.

I will say, the Zombie guy seems to be stand-offish.

For the Chella, I’d be more inclined to spend the money on figures since they line up better with my Mattel collection. Get me Buddy Rogers, Pedro Morales, Ivan Volkoff and the other unmade WWF Champions.

[newgenandy]

Jun 15, 2021 13:41:23 GMT -5 CM Tusk said:

I think the figures look good. They aren’t Hasbro style, but they are at least in size. Still, no one currently signed is someone I’d want to spend $40 on a little figure of. I hope the line is successful and expands so one day I may end up spending money on figures in it.

I will say, the Zombie guy seems to be stand-offish.

For the Chella, I’d be more inclined to spend the money on figures since they line up better with my Mattel collection. Get me Buddy Rogers, Pedro Morales, Ivan Volkoff and the other unmade WWF Champions.

Re. Not hasbro style I agree.

I don’t think any really figures made by other companies hit the hasbro mark. What’s interesting is some people say hasbros were ‘cartoonish’, others say these newer figures are much more detailed and then others argue hasbro were detailed.

Imo hasbros hit the perfect balance of cartoony but not too cartoony and while not hyper detailed they were more detailed than some claim.

That’s why I think no one since doing that style has been able to hit it on the head perfect, hasbros had a unique blend and no one seems to hit the cartoony and detailed but not too detailed mix right

[Deep Figure Value]

Jun 15, 2021 14:52:37 GMT -5 newgenandy said:

Jun 15, 2021 13:41:23 GMT -5 CM Tusk said:

I think the figures look good. They aren’t Hasbro style, but they are at least in size. Still, no one currently signed is someone I’d want to spend $40 on a little figure of. I hope the line is successful and expands so one day I may end up spending money on figures in it.

I will say, the Zombie guy seems to be stand-offish.

For the Chella, I’d be more inclined to spend the money on figures since they line up better with my Mattel collection. Get me Buddy Rogers, Pedro Morales, Ivan Volkoff and the other unmade WWF Champions.

Re. Not hasbro style I agree.

I don’t think any really figures made by other companies hit the hasbro mark. What’s interesting is some people say hasbros were ‘cartoonish’, others say these newer figures are much more detailed and then others argue hasbro were detailed.

Imo hasbros hit the perfect balance of cartoony but not too cartoony and while not hyper detailed they were more detailed than some claim.

That’s why I think no one since doing that style has been able to hit it on the head perfect, hasbros had a unique blend and no one seems to hit the cartoony and detailed but not too detailed mix right

I've always likened the Hasbro line, in particular, to being almost caricaturistic in nature. I think that's where ZST's figures deviate for me, and that, in of itself, isn't necessarily his fault. Nobody would accept the Hasbro 123 Kid sculpt in 2021. Someone putting that out would get laughed right out of the business. We can look at it and see the attire and with an understanding of the approaches available in the early 90s accept that it's a representation of Sean Waltman, but if Sean Waltman never got an action figure, and ZST signed him for his first set of H&F, who's paying $40 if he rolls that sculpt out as the final pitch for Thursday's pre-order?

I think that's kind of the problem. It would probably be really easy to produce a more Hasbro-esque representation of the names he's signed, but you'd be off your rocker to do so and then expect people to pay $40 a whack for them. In that respect, I don't fault them at all for going in the direction they did (those head sculpts are really well done). Where I do fault them is when they put these spectacular sculpts out and then say "they'll fit right in with your old Hasbros!"

Glad a bunch of my posts got deleted for no reason. A+ modding there.

[screech]

why does that guy come across so passive aggressive towards his potential customers?

[Deep Figure Value]

If this entire board's stance was "if you don't like the business practices of a figure manufacturer, don't post here - complain to them", WF wouldn't exist.

[CM Tusk]

Jun 15, 2021 18:09:36 GMT -5 screech said:

why does that guy come across so passive aggressive towards his potential customers?

I feel like he might have social issues. He also seemed this way back when he was just a guy that would post a lot of mint moc Hasbro.

[The Real Chillary]

Jun 15, 2021 18:09:36 GMT -5 screech said:

why does that guy come across so passive aggressive towards his potential customers?

Probably his background being a dealer and his hubris of rubbing shoulders with the Major Pod guys who aren't exactly the best people either.

[Deleted]

The preorder is limited to 2500 each. There will be more produced if the demand is high.

There’s a reason Ryder and Myers are in the first series even though they don’t come close to the stature of the other 3. They have their majorgumps in the palm of their hand and will use them to boost the line. Smart on ZST!

He still has “ships Q4” in his twitter profile. With all the delays we’ve seen over the past year there is serious doubt about these being under our Xmas tree. Fingers crossed!

Does anyone know where these are being produced? Overseas? In the USA? Anyone else think ZST will use the same factory that’s used to product the PWT Microbrawlers?

With 2 days left there are still question marks! This is a gamble, I’m all in and hope for it’s success.

[Warriah']

Kinda disappointed in the pod guys for starting to come across passive aggressive and defensive.

[onlymoc21]

Jun 16, 2021 6:07:18 GMT -5 Warriah' said:

Kinda disappointed in the pod guys for starting to come across passive aggressive and defensive.

True and just goes to show the lengths they themselves will go to. If FTC tried pulling this you would not hear the end of it, but then again FTC does not buy into the pod hype or care about their opinions, or send them samples. You can tell based on their “reviews” who is taking care or the pod guys and who are not.

[Deep Figure Value]

Jun 16, 2021 4:31:59 GMT -5 @kmangio said:

The preorder is limited to 2500 each. There will be more produced if the demand is high.

There’s a reason Ryder and Myers are in the first series even though they don’t come close to the stature of the other 3. They have their majorgumps in the palm of their hand and will use them to boost the line. Smart on ZST!

He still has “ships Q4” in his twitter profile. With all the delays we’ve seen over the past year there is serious doubt about these being under our Xmas tree. Fingers crossed!

Does anyone know where these are being produced? Overseas? In the USA? Anyone else think ZST will use the same factory that’s used to product the PWT Microbrawlers?

With 2 days left there are still question marks! This is a gamble, I’m all in and hope for it’s success.

No way they ship in time for Christmas. I'd bet a Coke on it. Even the pre-order graphic (that he seems to have scrubbed from Twitter) is listing the ETA as December - February.

Jun 16, 2021 6:26:09 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

Jun 16, 2021 6:07:18 GMT -5 Warriah' said:

Kinda disappointed in the pod guys for starting to come across passive aggressive and defensive.

True and just goes to show the lengths they themselves will go to. If FTC tried pulling this you would not hear the end of it, but then again FTC does not buy into the pod hype or care about their opinions, or send them samples. You can tell based on their “reviews” who is taking care or the pod guys and who are not.

Enough cannot be said about this, either. I dropped the podcast ages ago, but kept up the social follows for a bit longer (have since dropped them, too). It was almost subtle, but around the time that the Elite Squad membership shifted to account for the releases, there was a brief, marked shift in their tone toward Mattel. They suddenly started coming off as less tongue-in-cheek "hahahaha Sweaty Bill amirite" and more directed and harsh in their critiques of the product. I don't know if someone called them out or something because it kinda dialed back after a couple of weeks, but it definitely lent itself to the "scratch our backs or we'll try and break yours" approach they seem to have adopted over the past year or so.

[onlymoc21]

Jun 16, 2021 7:38:55 GMT -5 Deep Figure Value said:

Jun 16, 2021 4:31:59 GMT -5 @kmangio said:

The preorder is limited to 2500 each. There will be more produced if the demand is high.

There’s a reason Ryder and Myers are in the first series even though they don’t come close to the stature of the other 3. They have their majorgumps in the palm of their hand and will use them to boost the line. Smart on ZST!

He still has “ships Q4” in his twitter profile. With all the delays we’ve seen over the past year there is serious doubt about these being under our Xmas tree. Fingers crossed!

Does anyone know where these are being produced? Overseas? In the USA? Anyone else think ZST will use the same factory that’s used to product the PWT Microbrawlers?

With 2 days left there are still question marks! This is a gamble, I’m all in and hope for it’s success.

No way they ship in time for Christmas. I'd bet a Coke on it. Even the pre-order graphic (that he seems to have scrubbed from Twitter) is listing the ETA as December - February.

Jun 16, 2021 6:26:09 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

True and just goes to show the lengths they themselves will go to. If FTC tried pulling this you would not hear the end of it, but then again FTC does not buy into the pod hype or care about their opinions, or send them samples. You can tell based on their “reviews” who is taking care or the pod guys and who are not.

Enough cannot be said about this, either. I dropped the podcast ages ago, but kept up the social follows for a bit longer (have since dropped them, too). It was almost subtle, but around the time that the Elite Squad membership shifted to account for the releases, there was a brief, marked shift in their tone toward Mattel. They suddenly started coming off as less tongue-in-cheek "hahahaha Sweaty Bill amirite" and more directed and harsh in their critiques of the product. I don't know if someone called them out or something because it kinda dialed back after a couple of weeks, but it definitely lent itself to the "scratch our backs or we'll try and break yours" approach they seem to have adopted over the past year or so.

I actually read something to this effect on another form in that you can pin point a change in attitude towards Mattel. I also think Jazwares and Super 7 give them a lot of heads up with future lines which they relay on for context etc, this information does not come from Mattel but rather Ringside who gives the pod a heads up on Mattel lines. The Super 7 review was laughable, and if there was ever evidence displaying a “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” attitude it’s in that video. Also with regards to Jazwares the fact that they receive chases figures upon every release is also evident that this practice is being conducted with a number of company’s. Pro Wrestling Tees, same thing, Hasbros now with Starwars same thing etc etc. But it’s nothing to do with their attitudes or privilege, it’s everyone else being “haters” it’s laughable for sure. I know this is somewhat off topic but worth pointing out to be mindful of the advertising and promotional material and providers with Zombies product.

[Deep Figure Value]

Jun 16, 2021 8:40:20 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

Jun 16, 2021 7:38:55 GMT -5 Deep Figure Value said:

No way they ship in time for Christmas. I'd bet a Coke on it. Even the pre-order graphic (that he seems to have scrubbed from Twitter) is listing the ETA as December - February.

Enough cannot be said about this, either. I dropped the podcast ages ago, but kept up the social follows for a bit longer (have since dropped them, too). It was almost subtle, but around the time that the Elite Squad membership shifted to account for the releases, there was a brief, marked shift in their tone toward Mattel. They suddenly started coming off as less tongue-in-cheek "hahahaha Sweaty Bill amirite" and more directed and harsh in their critiques of the product. I don't know if someone called them out or something because it kinda dialed back after a couple of weeks, but it definitely lent itself to the "scratch our backs or we'll try and break yours" approach they seem to have adopted over the past year or so.

I actually read something to this effect on another form in that you can pin point a change in attitude towards Mattel. I also think Jazwares and Super 7 give them a lot of heads up with future lines which they relay on for context etc, this information does not come from Mattel but rather Ringside who gives the pod a heads up on Mattel lines. The Super 7 review was laughable, and if there was ever evidence displaying a “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” attitude it’s in that video. Also with regards to Jazwares the fact that they receive chases figures upon every release is also evident that this practice is being conducted with a number of company’s. Pro Wrestling Tees, same thing, Hasbros now with Starwars same thing etc etc. But it’s nothing to do with their attitudes or privilege, it’s everyone else being “haters” it’s laughable for sure. I know this is somewhat off topic but worth pointing out to be mindful of the advertising and promotional material and providers with Zombies product.

It's totally relevant. Whether or not Ryder and Hawkins are beneficiaries of ZST's efforts or not is beside the point - they're clearly aligned in a very close, personal way, and know well enough how to butter one another's bread for the benefit of all involved. I know some people think that ZST should just be treated like any other company and that it's irrelevant to discuss the branching aspects of his business, but the groundwork has been laid here for a couple of years now. Trying to posit that the (presumed) success of ZST's line isn't largely thanks to his association with the Major Bros would be one of the biggest bold faced lies in the history of action figure collecting.

[casanova]

Will order 2 of each.

Will flip one full set overhere in Europe.

Will have the other set for a bargain.

Never listened to the Pod(?), don’t know what FTC is, don’t care about ZST personally.

;-)

[Prophet of Ash]

Jun 16, 2021 14:48:27 GMT -5 casanova said:

Will order 2 of each.

Will flip one full set overhere in Europe.

Will have the other set for a bargain.

Never listened to the Pod(?), don’t know what FTC is, don’t care about ZST personally.

;-)

you're buying two sets just to sell them? hope they arrive beat to hell

[TheLastDude]

Jun 16, 2021 9:16:24 GMT -5 Deep Figure Value said:

Jun 16, 2021 8:40:20 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

I actually read something to this effect on another form in that you can pin point a change in attitude towards Mattel. I also think Jazwares and Super 7 give them a lot of heads up with future lines which they relay on for context etc, this information does not come from Mattel but rather Ringside who gives the pod a heads up on Mattel lines. The Super 7 review was laughable, and if there was ever evidence displaying a “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” attitude it’s in that video. Also with regards to Jazwares the fact that they receive chases figures upon every release is also evident that this practice is being conducted with a number of company’s. Pro Wrestling Tees, same thing, Hasbros now with Starwars same thing etc etc. But it’s nothing to do with their attitudes or privilege, it’s everyone else being “haters” it’s laughable for sure. I know this is somewhat off topic but worth pointing out to be mindful of the advertising and promotional material and providers with Zombies product.

It's totally relevant. Whether or not Ryder and Hawkins are beneficiaries of ZST's efforts or not is beside the point - they're clearly aligned in a very close, personal way, and know well enough how to butter one another's bread for the benefit of all involved. I know some people think that ZST should just be treated like any other company and that it's irrelevant to discuss the branching aspects of his business, but the groundwork has been laid here for a couple of years now. Trying to posit that the (presumed) success of ZST's line isn't largely thanks to his association with the Major Bros would be one of the biggest bold faced lies in the history of action figure collecting.

Case in point: Cardona and Myers are in series one, and Mark Sterling and Swoggle are getting figures, and not one of those moves make sense.

[crush]

Jun 16, 2021 22:21:25 GMT -5 TheLastDude said:

Jun 16, 2021 9:16:24 GMT -5 Deep Figure Value said:

It's totally relevant. Whether or not Ryder and Hawkins are beneficiaries of ZST's efforts or not is beside the point - they're clearly aligned in a very close, personal way, and know well enough how to butter one another's bread for the benefit of all involved. I know some people think that ZST should just be treated like any other company and that it's irrelevant to discuss the branching aspects of his business, but the groundwork has been laid here for a couple of years now. Trying to posit that the (presumed) success of ZST's line isn't largely thanks to his association with the Major Bros would be one of the biggest bold faced lies in the history of action figure collecting.

Case in point: Cardona and Myers are in series one, and Mark Sterling and Swoggle are getting figures, and not one of those moves make sense.

I’m gonna be the guy to disagree there. We can argue about the reasons, people’s opinions of the podcast, the merch, the people who buy the merch, whatever, but from a business standpoint, every figure or figure m-like product Cardona and Myers have offered or been a part of since they left WWE have sold exceedingly to a rabid audience. Including them in the first series of the line makes total sense from that perspective. Re: Swoggle and Mark, not nearly as close to a guarantee, but I would wager selling roughly 3,000 of each of those (which seems to be the run #) will happen relatively quickly thanks to the MWFP FB fandom alone. Again, I’m not going to argue whether that’s a good thing, bad thing, or indifferent thing, but from a business standpoint it he moves make total sense.

[mrh]

Let's get back to discussing the figures and stop attacking people.

I'm so interested in how these sell; I can see people buying them to re-sell later, which I think is a huge gamble. What about you guys?