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Post by boss on Mar 6, 2021 0:43:29 GMT -5
Hi All,
Don't get me wrong - I am very excited we are getting AEW figures and appreciate the high attention to detail (insane!) of most if not all the AEW figures put out thus far.
My concern is this - (and I feel like I will get a lot of heat for saying this).. the turn around time on getting new faces in the line seems like eons compared to Mattel.
I'm mostly concerned that some members of the roster will either a.) get injured, or b.) somehow not be in as much of a prominent place on TV by the time they are receiving figures - at the rate we are going.
My main concern is the second or third figures we are receiving of wrestlers higher on the card while the line is still in very early waves.
The roster just seems SO BIG and there are so many faces I'm concerned we won't get before 2022 starts.
Mattel has done a really good job setting the standard when it comes to producing a full roster for Raw and Smackdown.
I can't find myself committing fully to AEW if we keep getting sets released full of Young Bucks, Cody, and Jericho - while slots are omitted for Britt Baker, Nyla Rose, FTR, Brian Cage, Dark Order, Wardlow, and other names.
While this type of thread has been beaten to death before in the WWE Mattel section over the likes of Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, and John Cena clogging elite/ basic line slots - I think AEW has a bigger challenge due to the fact there are simply so many performers left waiting without figures, as of now.
Open to thoughts. Please be kind.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 6, 2021 0:52:03 GMT -5
Jeremy said that part of their deal with retail was that waves will be like 50% main eventers, 30% midcarders, and 20% up and comers. It’s what they had to do to get their product on the shelves.
And Mattel had a lot of reissues in the early waves with Cena, Batista, HHH, HBK, Matt Hardy, etc... This isn’t anything new and outside of retail wanting mostly top names in waves, AEW would too since guys like Jericho, Omega, Mox, and the Young Bucks sell. As AEW grows and if the line continues to sell well they will expand who they make (Jeremy already confirmed a second line will be coming soon which will increase the slots of who they can make as well).
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Post by jrex on Mar 6, 2021 2:59:37 GMT -5
Brian Cage debuted last May and wasn’t a big enough star pre-AEW to get a figure fast tracked. FTR didn’t sign long term deals until July. I think it’s too soon to say any of those three are being omitted. As for the rest, Unmatched is supposed to utilize the depth of the roster more, so I think we have to be patient until the Fall for some of the mid card talent.
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Post by mrh on Mar 6, 2021 3:21:10 GMT -5
Jeremy said that part of their deal with retail was that waves will be like 50% main eventers, 30% midcarders, and 20% up and comers. It’s what they had to do to get their product on the shelves. And Mattel had a lot of reissues in the early waves with Cena, Batista, HHH, HBK, Matt Hardy, etc... This isn’t anything new and outside of retail wanting mostly top names in waves, AEW would too since guys like Jericho, Omega, Mox, and the Young Bucks sell. As AEW grows and if the line continues to sell well they will expand who they make (Jeremy already confirmed a second line will be coming soon which will increase the slots of who they can make as well).
I totally accept Jeremy's explanation -- but it is simply NOT true that Mattel had this many re-releases this early in the line.
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Post by PJ on Mar 6, 2021 6:24:31 GMT -5
You can’t have a Batman line without Batman in every series and it’s the same with any toy line. For wrestling figures Batman is the Main Eventer’s.
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Mar 6, 2021 6:53:16 GMT -5
You'll get everyone even including the referees when it come to Jeremy so be patient.
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Post by celflessness on Mar 6, 2021 7:09:37 GMT -5
The mistake is considering Mattel the 'standard'. Mattel are above and beyond; a ridiculous amount of product covering a huge range of talent, from the popular to the obscure, current to the past. Jazwares shouldn't be lambasted for not living up to that. Not when they're still working on the more important things like quality control and distribution.
The AEW roster isn't that big. They'll get to everyone who matters. Although our opinion on who 'matters' may differ wildly.
Seris 6 is a bit disappointing when it comes to new characters. 3 repaints I expected. 4 is jarring.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 6, 2021 8:02:03 GMT -5
Aew is a new company and they want to make as much as they can and make their products sell as much as possible. All sets need the main event guys who sell and will pop out at all collectors new and old. No matter if it’s an old collector getting it because he likes the repaint or a new collector because maybe he missed out on the first 2 or 3. The last thing Jazwares wants from the start is poor sales. So getting the well known guys in is going to be their priority
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 6, 2021 8:44:53 GMT -5
You'll get everyone even including the referees when it come to Jeremy so be patient. This right here, some people want ridiculousness. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 6, 2021 8:55:06 GMT -5
Jeremy said that part of their deal with retail was that waves will be like 50% main eventers, 30% midcarders, and 20% up and comers. It’s what they had to do to get their product on the shelves. And Mattel had a lot of reissues in the early waves with Cena, Batista, HHH, HBK, Matt Hardy, etc... This isn’t anything new and outside of retail wanting mostly top names in waves, AEW would too since guys like Jericho, Omega, Mox, and the Young Bucks sell. As AEW grows and if the line continues to sell well they will expand who they make (Jeremy already confirmed a second line will be coming soon which will increase the slots of who they can make as well). I totally accept Jeremy's explanation -- but it is simply NOT true that Mattel had this many re-releases this early in the line.
John Cena - 3, 7, 11, 14 Undertaker - 1, 8, 14 Rey Mysterio - 1, 5, 11, 13, 15, 18 Triple H - 2, 7 Undertaker - 1, 8 Kane - 4, 10, 12 Orton - 2, 9, 12, 16 Big Show - 4, 10, 13 The Miz - 3, 9, 11 Edge - 1, 8, 13 HBK - 3, 7 CM Punk - 1, 6, 11, 16, 20 Matt Hardy - 2, 6 Batista -2, 6 There’s more, but that’s a lot of early reissues right there and it IS true. You also need to remember that AEW doesn’t have as many what retail would consider “top guys” as the WWE had in 2010. |
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Post by stc13 on Mar 6, 2021 8:58:08 GMT -5
Anybody who is expecting there not to be a bunch of versions of top talent in this line is simply going in with unrealistic expectations. Jeremy has been pretty clear that there are going to be a lot of repaints of top guys and why that has to happen. But I think both Jazwares and AEW are aware of the need to expand the list of who qualifies in that category, both through building new main event caliber names and through signing folks who have name value (Paul Wight, Sting, Sunday's mystery signing).
It can't be compared with Mattel - Mattel has 11 pegs at my Walmart and three shelves of space for their product. They're a multi-billion dollar company with decades of history and name recognition. The fact that within a year Unrivaled will have a presence in Walmart, Target, Amazon, and is going to be launching a second line (and peg) in those stores is already totally outpacing expectations.
Jeremy has said he's committed to (in his words) celebrating the entire roster, refs, announcers, legends, etc. But it has to be in a way that makes business sense, and you need to check certain boxes to get mass retail on board. Will there be folks who don't get figures? Absolutely. That's been the case in WWE for years too. But if you have a new wave dropping monthly with 6 figures per, even if only 2-4 are new characters, you're still talking about ~30-40 new characters each year. The AEW roster really isn't that big, particularly when you start thinking about who can realistically sell $20 action figures at mass retail. And the same realities that apply for Mattel are going to apply for Jazwares - it's going to take 9-12 months to turn around a brand new debut, they're going to make figures of people featured prominently on tv, female figures don't sell as well as male, etc.
Mattel didn't suddenly produce the entire active roster over night. There are plenty of people who are on Raw or Smackdown who haven't had a figure in 2 or 3 years. Unrivaled isn't even a year old from when it hit retail and they've made 27 different characters. That number will probably be around 40 by the time they hit the one year mark, and should account for most of the upper card and midcard. Also keep in mind I'd almost guarantee Brodie was scheduled for series 5 or 6 and they would have replaced that figure on fairly short notice for obvious reasons.
The rest of the roster will come. But people need to be realistic about what is or isn't possible, and there's nothing wrong with passing on figures you already have and buying who you don't.
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Post by stc13 on Mar 6, 2021 9:04:23 GMT -5
I totally accept Jeremy's explanation -- but it is simply NOT true that Mattel had this many re-releases this early in the line. There’s more, but that’s a lot of early reissues right there and it IS true. You also need to remember that AEW doesn’t have as many what retail would consider “top guys” as the WWE had in 2010.Key point right there. WWE had an established brand, talent, and sales history AND two separate products with prime time tv and their own main event rosters. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Mar 6, 2021 9:13:44 GMT -5
I totally accept Jeremy's explanation -- but it is simply NOT true that Mattel had this many re-releases this early in the line.
John Cena - 3, 7, 11, 14 Undertaker - 1, 8, 14 Rey Mysterio - 1, 5, 11, 13, 15, 18 Triple H - 2, 7 Undertaker - 1, 8 Kane - 4, 10, 12 Orton - 2, 9, 12, 16 Big Show - 4, 10, 13 The Miz - 3, 9, 11 Edge - 1, 8, 13 HBK - 3, 7 CM Punk - 1, 6, 11, 16, 20 Matt Hardy - 2, 6 Batista -2, 6 There’s more, but that’s a lot of early reissues right there and it IS true. You also need to remember that AEW doesn’t have as many what retail would consider “top guys” as the WWE had in 2010. You are talking about the first four years of Mattel. Jazwares are starting it in what is basically year one (2020 doesn’t count in my mind nobody could find them) I’m fine with people cycling back through the line and aware that the Elite, Jericho, Moxley, & MJF are probably the extent of retail’s desired characters but this is an apples and oranges situation for various reasons |
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Post by mrh on Mar 6, 2021 9:20:41 GMT -5
I totally accept Jeremy's explanation -- but it is simply NOT true that Mattel had this many re-releases this early in the line.
John Cena - 3, 7, 11, 14 Undertaker - 1, 8, 14 Rey Mysterio - 1, 5, 11, 13, 15, 18 Triple H - 2, 7 Undertaker - 1, 8 Kane - 4, 10, 12 Orton - 2, 9, 12, 16 Big Show - 4, 10, 13 The Miz - 3, 9, 11 Edge - 1, 8, 13 HBK - 3, 7 CM Punk - 1, 6, 11, 16, 20 Matt Hardy - 2, 6 Batista -2, 6 There’s more, but that’s a lot of early reissues right there and it IS true. You also need to remember that AEW doesn’t have as many what retail would consider “top guys” as the WWE had in 2010.
That's OK -- and you're right about main talent -- but it's a distortion to use this list because we can't know what the future holds for AEW figures, which is likely more re-releases. Here's a compairson for the first 6 waves - -- I'll even give you a leg up, by comparing the first 7 of Mattel to the first 6 of AEW.
Mattel
John Cena - 3, 7
Rey Mysterio - 1, 5
Triple H - 2, 7
HBK - 3, 7
CM Punk - 1, 6
Matt Hardy - 2, 6
Batista -2, 6
AEW Jericho - 1. 6 Cody - 1, 4 Omega - 1,4 Nick Jackson - 1,3
Matt Jackson - 1,3 Moxley - 2, 5 Page - 2, 5 Pena - 2, 6 Fenix - 2, 6 MJF - 2, 6
And unless wave 7 is all new, the discrepancy for AEW will continue growing...
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 6, 2021 10:35:59 GMT -5
Pretty soon there will be 2 different waves coming out. I think this concern will likely be a thing of the past this time next year.
JP's whole gimmick is make people want your product and then deliver. We'll be getting more figures and people will complain about how much they're spending. lol
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Post by LA Times on Mar 6, 2021 10:42:11 GMT -5
They need the Codys, Omegas, MJFs, Bucks, etc to get their products into more stores and attract the kids and casual buyers who might have missed the earlier waves they couldnt find in stores.
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Post by walkingturtles on Mar 6, 2021 10:50:19 GMT -5
There’s more, but that’s a lot of early reissues right there and it IS true. You also need to remember that AEW doesn’t have as many what retail would consider “top guys” as the WWE had in 2010.Key point right there. WWE had an established brand, talent, and sales history AND two separate products with prime time tv and their own main event rosters. I imagine when these figures were being pitched to retailers, they had to push angles like “It’s Chris Jericho huge legend” “Moxley is fresh off a huge run in WWE” “Look at the merchandise numbers of Omega and the Bucks and Cody and Hangman!” “Look how popular Lucha Underground” and retailers said ok but give us mostly these guys as we get established. |
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Post by stc13 on Mar 6, 2021 10:58:58 GMT -5
Key point right there. WWE had an established brand, talent, and sales history AND two separate products with prime time tv and their own main event rosters. I imagine when these figures were being pitched to retailers, they had to push angles like “It’s Chris Jericho huge legend” “Moxley is fresh off a huge run in WWE” “Look at the merchandise numbers of Omega and the Bucks and Cody and Hangman!” “Look how popular Lucha Underground” and retailers said ok but give us mostly these guys as we get established. Yeah, and I've said this in the other threads, but it's basically a fresh launch as far as Target or Amazon are concerned. They couldn't care less if Jericho was in S1 that they didn't carry. They want Chris Jericho on the pegs at Target because they know he's somebody mom or grandma shopping for a birthday present know and would buy. I know it's not the answer everybody wants, but this is a business. And I'd much rather have Target, Walmart, Amazon, RSC, etc carrying this line for the next 5-10 years and get everyone we could ever imagine and more than be putting Christopher Daniels and Colt Cabana (both who I want in the worst way) into lineups over Jericho or Omega and 6 months from now the only place we can buy Unrivaled is online and the line is on life support. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 6, 2021 11:23:05 GMT -5
John Cena - 3, 7, 11, 14 Undertaker - 1, 8, 14 Rey Mysterio - 1, 5, 11, 13, 15, 18 Triple H - 2, 7 Undertaker - 1, 8 Kane - 4, 10, 12 Orton - 2, 9, 12, 16 Big Show - 4, 10, 13 The Miz - 3, 9, 11 Edge - 1, 8, 13 HBK - 3, 7 CM Punk - 1, 6, 11, 16, 20 Matt Hardy - 2, 6 Batista -2, 6 There’s more, but that’s a lot of early reissues right there and it IS true. You also need to remember that AEW doesn’t have as many what retail would consider “top guys” as the WWE had in 2010. That's OK -- and you're right about main talent -- but it's a distortion to use this list because we can't know what the future holds for AEW figures, which is likely more re-releases. Here's a compairson for the first 6 waves - -- I'll even give you a leg up, by comparing the first 7 of Mattel to the first 6 of AEW.
Mattel John Cena - 3, 7
Rey Mysterio - 1, 5
Triple H - 2, 7
HBK - 3, 7
CM Punk - 1, 6
Matt Hardy - 2, 6
Batista -2, 6 AEW Jericho - 1. 6 Cody - 1, 4 Omega - 1,4 Nick Jackson - 1,3
Matt Jackson - 1,3 Moxley - 2, 5 Page - 2, 5 Pena - 2, 6 Fenix - 2, 6 MJF - 2, 6
And unless wave 7 is all new, the discrepancy for AEW will continue growing...
That’s fine, but the key point from my posts that AEW doesn’t have as many established names as the WWE had in 2010 that retail would be comfortable putting on shelves. The WWE was also a proven brand that sold and wasn’t a new start-up. But even with the disparity you mentioned, it’s clear even Mattel goes back to the same top-names fairly often. It makes sense business-wise as those are the names that sell. |
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Post by kwagmyr on Mar 6, 2021 11:41:01 GMT -5
You are talking about the first four years of Mattel. Jazwares are starting it in what is basically year one (2020 doesn’t count in my mind nobody could find them) I’m fine with people cycling back through the line and aware that the Elite, Jericho, Moxley, & MJF are probably the extent of retail’s desired characters but this is an apples and oranges situation for various reasons You're all right. |
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