The Real Chillary
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Chillary since day one ish
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Post by The Real Chillary on Mar 28, 2021 11:53:09 GMT -5
Would it bother you personally if these instances were removed? If so, why? Would it bother you if they weren’t removed? Should we go back and edit books from 100 years ago if a word is offensive is it? What is so hard about putting up a disclaimer? Why are people so weak they need a company to protect them? Maybe you should read the whole thread, I said in most examples disclaimers should be used. But instances of racism should not be taken lightely and should be taken out. |
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Post by FLUX on Mar 28, 2021 11:54:51 GMT -5
Would it bother you personally if these instances were removed? If so, why? Would it bother you if they weren’t removed? Should we go back and edit books from 100 years ago if a word is offensive is it? What is so hard about putting up a disclaimer? Why are people so weak they need a company to protect them? ...Weren't people just on social media blubbering over a few Dr. Seuss books with racist undertones being taken out of print, like...two weeks ago? lmao. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 11:56:35 GMT -5
Would it bother you if they weren’t removed? Should we go back and edit books from 100 years ago if a word is offensive is it? What is so hard about putting up a disclaimer? Why are people so weak they need a company to protect them? Maybe you should read the whole thread, I said in most examples disclaimers should be used. But instances of racism should not be taken lightely and should be taken out. That's where things start to get tricky though. Like what is it about racism that makes it worse than some of the other things they've done? Like why is editing out something racist more important than editing out something blatantly sexist like the hoe train, or something that makes fun of disabled people like Eugene's character? Granted we obviously don't know what's going to happen to all that stuff during the transition, so this is all speculative at this point. |
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Post by FLUX on Mar 28, 2021 12:03:32 GMT -5
Maybe you should read the whole thread, I said in most examples disclaimers should be used. But instances of racism should not be taken lightely and should be taken out. That's where things start to get tricky though. Like what is it about racism that makes it worse than some of the other things they've done? Like why is editing out something racist more important than editing out something blatantly sexist like the hoe train, or something that makes fun of disabled people like Eugene's character? Granted we obviously don't know what's going to happen to all that stuff during the transition, so this is all speculative at this point. In all blunt honesty, the primary focus on removing racist content (or content that can be deemed as racist) over removing sexist/ableist/etc. content more than likely has to do with all of the racial tensions and divide that has taken a serious toll on the US since George Floyd was murdered. Companies have grown a mindset it's best for their overall business to nip any potential issues in the bud that can deem them as promoting racism, and honestly, it's probably for the best. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 28, 2021 12:05:02 GMT -5
They have to draw a line somewhere. Is it with making fun of Asians? Is it with calling Kane “The Big Red intellectually- disabled person”? What about making Trish crawl around while Vince yells at her? Would it bother you personally if these instances were removed? If so, why? You left out the first part of what I said. Again, you either remove everything controversial or nothing controversial. Personally, I’d keep everything as is and run a disclaimer before every WWE video/clip. There’s a lot of racism in WWE’s library and there’s no way they’ll get everything in one fell swoop. Peacock has no idea how offensive a good chunk of this library is. I’d put good money down that the entire library won’t be uploaded and/or they find a way out of this contract. WWE will end up being a headache for them if this isn’t handled properly. |
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Mar 28, 2021 12:14:04 GMT -5
I hope they don't censor Mark Henry and Mae Youngs son being born lol
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 28, 2021 12:20:21 GMT -5
Please, fellow Wrrestlingfigs Users, we are all upset and horny, but we can't let Peacock stop us from watching WWF and scoring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 12:30:48 GMT -5
Would it bother you personally if these instances were removed? If so, why? You left out the first part of what I said. Again, you either remove everything controversial or nothing controversial. Personally, I’d keep everything as is and run a disclaimer before every WWE video/clip. There’s a lot of racism in WWE’s library and there’s no way they’ll get everything in one fell swoop. Peacock has no idea how offensive a good chunk of this library is. I’d put good money down that the entire library won’t be uploaded and/or they find a way out of this contract. WWE will end up being a headache for them if this isn’t handled properly. 100% I'd be going the disclaimer route. It's not a very difficult disclaimer to write, and shows do that kind of thing all the time for special feature commentary tracks, etc. The whole Roddy Piper thing is just the very tip of the iceberg if we're trying to find WWE content that is offensive. It's not even the worst thing they've done by a long shot. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 28, 2021 13:22:28 GMT -5
Would it bother you personally if these instances were removed? If so, why? You left out the first part of what I said. Again, you either remove everything controversial or nothing controversial. Personally, I’d keep everything as is and run a disclaimer before every WWE video/clip. There’s a lot of racism in WWE’s library and there’s no way they’ll get everything in one fell swoop. Peacock has no idea how offensive a good chunk of this library is. I’d put good money down that the entire library won’t be uploaded and/or they find a way out of this contract. WWE will end up being a headache for them if this isn’t handled properly. A lot of people in this thread who defend the censoring of content seem to pick and chose pieces of posts and ignore the rest of it to fit their narratives. I’m 100% with you on adding disclaimers. Wrestling is a niche market. No way those subscribing to Peacock solely for the WWE content have no idea of any of the things they ran in the past that wouldn’t fly with the PC Crowd today. And I doubt many of Peacock’s other subscribers care to check out WWE’s content either. Run a disclaimer and let it be the end of it. The fact they are removing content entirely is what’s shinning a light on this in the first place. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Mar 28, 2021 13:40:44 GMT -5
You either censor everything problematic or you censor nothing and put a long disclaimer at the beginning of every WWE show. They have to draw a line somewhere. Is it with making fun of Asians? Is it with calling Kane “The Big Red intellectually- disabled person”? What about making Trish crawl around while Vince yells at her? I think they’ll only put a small amount of the library up at a time. There’s ZERO chance everything will be up by SummerSlam. Trish crawling around to keep her job was(still is to some degree) perfectly acceptable behavior in Hollywood so they might not have a problem there |
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Post by CM Tusk on Mar 28, 2021 13:41:46 GMT -5
Someone please tell me what they would have this disclaimer for blackface say?
NBC is not telling you what you can or can not watch. They are telling you what you won’t see on their highly advertised app. They bought the library and it’s 100% their choice what to do with it. If they wanted to only show WWE PPVs post 2005, that would be their choice. It’s not them trying to “control what you watch” or “make decisions for you.” It’s them seeing that moment in history and saying “we have no reason to keep this.” If Piper in blackface, Vince saying the n word, and mostly likely the DX Nation skit being cut are enough for you not to subscribe, they don’t want or need your money obviously.
NBC also removed episodes of 30 Rock with blackface in them last year. No backlash. No loss of money. It’s almost like normal being seen nothing wrong with censorship of racism. Idk.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Mar 28, 2021 13:44:07 GMT -5
Maybe you should read the whole thread, I said in most examples disclaimers should be used. But instances of racism should not be taken lightely and should be taken out. That's where things start to get tricky though. Like what is it about racism that makes it worse than some of the other things they've done? Like why is editing out something racist more important than editing out something blatantly sexist like the hoe train, or something that makes fun of disabled people like Eugene's character? Granted we obviously don't know what's going to happen to all that stuff during the transition, so this is all speculative at this point. Ho Train is just women earning an honest living. We stan 9-5 queens. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:51:22 GMT -5
Someone please tell me what they would have this disclaimer for blackface say? The same disclaimer they would put on every wwe show and it's very simple: "The following program may contain scenes or images that may be offensive or disturbing to some viewers. The characters portrayed are fictional and in no way representative of the viewpoints of the actors playing them, WWE, or NBC. Viewer discretion is advised". Done. And again, for the hundredth time, no one in this thread is defending the angle. It was tacky and racist then, and tacky and racist now. I saw that angle when I was 5 years old and have probably watched WrestleMania vi like 50 times. (I watched that one a LOT as a kid lol). Somehow I managed to think for myself and not become a racist despite being exposed to that angle at a very young age. I don't really care that it's gone, it wasn't a good match and the angle sucked. The argument the entire thread has been about the bigger picture, which we don't know yet. We don't know if they're going to edit out everything offensive. Which also leads to a discussion on where that line is. Things I found offensive might not be the same as others, and the notion of things being universally offensive is a very tricky thing. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Mar 28, 2021 13:51:32 GMT -5
Imagine how much many Disney has lost not airing Der Furhers Face on D+  |
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Post by CM Tusk on Mar 28, 2021 14:43:54 GMT -5
On a lighter note, so far I’m preferring Peacock. The network was really bad about losing my place if I was in the middle of watching something and had to stop. I’d go back to finish and it would restart the event or start it at an earlier part. Also watch a lot on my phone and many times if I had to exit the app while watching something, the app would crash and reboot when I’d open it back up. No issues with that on Peacock. Hopefully they add “play from the beginning” on live events and the ability to pause and it’ll be golden. There’s more than enough content on there to last me until more is uploaded too. Hulu having all of NXTs run helps. Overall I’m excited to see how Peacock works out. Money well spent so far.
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Post by K5 on Mar 28, 2021 15:40:34 GMT -5
I don't have the network to begin with, so I'm truly not affected by this.
I can understand why some fans would be frustrated by this, I also understand why Peacock and the WWE would not want that past content reflecting on their current company image, and I think that's within their rights.
fans can be angry, and things can be censored. both justified in their own.
to me, they'd already edited so much of the original ECW (mainly the music) that I've already found it and other classic footage through other means.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 28, 2021 18:09:20 GMT -5
Imagine how much many Disney has lost not airing Der Furhers Face on D+ I didn’t realise they hadn’t added it. This is censorship gone mad! I’m boycotting Disney Plus and writing a strongly-worded letter to Snickers about this. I can decide for myself whether I want to watch videos of Donald Duck being a Nazi. I don’t want to, and I hope you believe me, even though it seems super unlikely that I’d be so upset about it not being there if I don’t want to watch it. |
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Post by hitmanhart on Mar 28, 2021 18:25:45 GMT -5
I wish this generation was as strongly anti censorship as their parents.
But because they are not, I'm glad I didn't convert to the Peacock era of WWE Network. I don't pay money for edited products, and I know there is much more to come, or entire shows to be omitted.
As long as kids today feel like their morality is intact, any type of censorship is free reign.
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 28, 2021 18:27:07 GMT -5
I'm an anti censorship liberal. I remember when all of us were United on that front. Boomers and Gen X fought against things that millenials and Gen Z are embracing. So sad. I just don't believe in editing content, I prefer personal discretion every time. I kind of agree with this. To me, if you personally find something offensive then you can choose not to watch that particular episode/PPV, or you could just fast forward over the part you don't like. This would leave things as is for people who don't find it offensive. This would give the viewer the power of choice instead of letting the company have total control. I'm also not a fan of disclaimers, but I would rather them have a disclaimer before each PPV/Episode or Raw/Smackdown/SNME/Superstars etc. than removing content all together just because someone (or a number of people) find something offensive. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Mar 28, 2021 20:00:59 GMT -5
It’s going to be quite fun when everything is eventually uploaded and people who say they aren’t going to subscribe do just to comb through and find every instance of “censorship” so they can go online and have outrage over it.
It’s funny how people that don’t give a sh** about them taking out Vince saying the N word or blackface Piper, are suddenly the “pc generation” and “pro censorship.” Almost as funny as someone comparing blatant racism to Trish walking around like a dog. Lol what?
You guys realize there are plenty of rated R movies on the app right?
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