***** ZST Wrestling's HEELS AND FACES Retro Fig Thread *****

[hitmancmedge]

May 31, 2021 12:55:14 GMT -5 CM Tusk said:

You all make collecting toys seem fun haha

That should be WFigs new slogan

[Warriah']

May 30, 2021 8:12:23 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

I would absolutely go out of my way to avoid making more money if it created even more work/more headaches for my business which already has a lot going on. With the existence of the secondary market, I wouldn’t be too worried about a vocal minority who will eventually pipe down when they don’t get what they want.

Land mass is not a proper visual representation but it fits into the conversion as it is a good enough example.



There is a VAST difference in market size...UK collectors really are a small segment (even smaller when you consider how many will buy even a handful of these). If it is worth it to him, he will do it. But until he says how or why he won’t...just drop it. Stop spamming the thread with the same complaint. Go address him directly and stop whining in here. Be proactive about it.

There are 70 million people in the United Kingdom. That is approximately equal to Texas, Florida and New York combined.

Land mass is a very stupid way to compare. I agree it's silly to whine in this thread at this stage but there is absolutely a market for wrestling in the UK and it is a sizeable market at that.

[@Chair.Shot]

Please read this all the way through as it adds to the discussion from an analytical perspective and isn’t meant to flame or hurt feelings.

The UK is roughly 1/5 of the population of the US (significantly less if you factor in other parts of North America). *Edit - originally wrote 5% by mistake (apologies). The map was never meant to be an apples to apples comparison rather a snarky visual aide that compared something bigger to something smaller. It achieved its goal based upon the reaction it got which gave me a laugh.

Visual aside, you have to respect the difference between market and potential market. So let’s take a look! In this case, it isn’t unreasonable to assume that less than 1% of the UK population are true wrestling fans. Completely rough number but that shrinks us down to 700k which is nothing to sneeze at. Of that number, probably less than 1% are wrestling figure collectors (reducing the market down to 7,000). Again, these aren’t real numbers but they are generous assumptions you can make based off of other analytics like viewership numbers and ticket sales in recent years.

So out of the 7,000 wrestling figure collectors in the UK...I truly wonder how many would actually be interested in non WWE, non AEW products sold exclusively online featuring a strange assortment of wrestlers? Not all would have the means to purchase these even if the desire is there. It would be impossible to calculate that number.

If in fact these figures are made in limited quantities, ZST probably won’t have a problem selling out. If he can move 1,000 to 5,000 units in North America alone, I could understand not wanting to deal with an outside distributor. Maybe that can/will change once the business grows. It could also be a smart business move on his part by intentionally creating second market demand. Not selling overseas is a great way of making that happen.

[mrh]

Jun 1, 2021 8:27:12 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

Please read this all the way through as it adds to the discussion from an analytical perspective and isn’t meant to flame or hurt feelings.

The UK is roughly 5% of the population of the US (significantly less if you factor in other parts of North America). The map was never meant to be an apples to apples comparison rather a snarky visual aide that compared something bigger to something smaller. It achieved its goal based upon the reaction it got which gave me a laugh.

Visual aside, you have to respect the difference between market and potential market. So let’s take a look! In this case, it isn’t unreasonable to assume that less than 1% of the UK population are true wrestling fans. Completely rough number but that shrinks us down to 700k which is nothing to sneeze at. Of that number, probably less than 1% are wrestling figure collectors (reducing the market down to 7,000). Again, these aren’t real numbers but they are generous assumptions you can make based off of other analytics like viewership numbers and ticket sales in recent years.

So out of the 7,000 wrestling figure collectors in the UK...I truly wonder how many would actually be interested in non WWE, non AEW products sold exclusively online featuring a strange assortment of wrestlers? Not all would have the means to purchase these even if the desire is there. It would be impossible to calculate that number.

If in fact these figures are made in limited quantities, ZST probably won’t have a problem selling out. If he can move 1,000 to 5,000 units in North America alone, I could understand not wanting to deal with an outside distributor. Maybe that can/will change once the business grows. It could also be a smart business move on his part by intentionally creating second market demand. Not selling overseas is a great way of making that happen.

The UK is actually 20% of the population of the United States

[hulkjoegan]

Jun 1, 2021 8:27:12 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

Please read this all the way through as it adds to the discussion from an analytical perspective and isn’t meant to flame or hurt feelings.

The UK is roughly 5% of the population of the US (significantly less if you factor in other parts of North America). The map was never meant to be an apples to apples comparison rather a snarky visual aide that compared something bigger to something smaller. It achieved its goal based upon the reaction it got which gave me a laugh.

Visual aside, you have to respect the difference between market and potential market. So let’s take a look! In this case, it isn’t unreasonable to assume that less than 1% of the UK population are true wrestling fans. Completely rough number but that shrinks us down to 700k which is nothing to sneeze at. Of that number, probably less than 1% are wrestling figure collectors (reducing the market down to 7,000). Again, these aren’t real numbers but they are generous assumptions you can make based off of other analytics like viewership numbers and ticket sales in recent years.

So out of the 7,000 wrestling figure collectors in the UK...I truly wonder how many would actually be interested in non WWE, non AEW products sold exclusively online featuring a strange assortment of wrestlers? Not all would have the means to purchase these even if the desire is there. It would be impossible to calculate that number.

If in fact these figures are made in limited quantities, ZST probably won’t have a problem selling out. If he can move 1,000 to 5,000 units in North America alone, I could understand not wanting to deal with an outside distributor. Maybe that can/will change once the business grows. It could also be a smart business move on his part by intentionally creating second market demand. Not selling overseas is a great way of making that happen.

Well done...you’re doing a great job of coming across as a bit of an ass 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 😂

[onlymoc21]

Jun 1, 2021 8:27:12 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

Please read this all the way through as it adds to the discussion from an analytical perspective and isn’t meant to flame or hurt feelings.

The UK is roughly 5% of the population of the US (significantly less if you factor in other parts of North America). The map was never meant to be an apples to apples comparison rather a snarky visual aide that compared something bigger to something smaller. It achieved its goal based upon the reaction it got which gave me a laugh.

Visual aside, you have to respect the difference between market and potential market. So let’s take a look! In this case, it isn’t unreasonable to assume that less than 1% of the UK population are true wrestling fans. Completely rough number but that shrinks us down to 700k which is nothing to sneeze at. Of that number, probably less than 1% are wrestling figure collectors (reducing the market down to 7,000). Again, these aren’t real numbers but they are generous assumptions you can make based off of other analytics like viewership numbers and ticket sales in recent years.

So out of the 7,000 wrestling figure collectors in the UK...I truly wonder how many would actually be interested in non WWE, non AEW products sold exclusively online featuring a strange assortment of wrestlers? Not all would have the means to purchase these even if the desire is there. It would be impossible to calculate that number.

If in fact these figures are made in limited quantities, ZST probably won’t have a problem selling out. If he can move 1,000 to 5,000 units in North America alone, I could understand not wanting to deal with an outside distributor. Maybe that can/will change once the business grows. It could also be a smart business move on his part by intentionally creating second market demand. Not selling overseas is a great way of making that happen.

Dude the lengths you go to to get a “reaction” is amazing to me. Yea the UK are of no benefit that’s why every wrestling company there has ever been try’s to break into the UK market. Your wait and see approach is laughable also, if Zombie has confidence he will sell out purely based on selling to the states then why would he accommodate everyone bar UK, if he is not providing the opportunity to buy his product from day one then I am not buying his product simple as that, people should not have to find their own means and do all the extra leg work because he is lazy, greedy and frankly a bad business man. That’s a personal choice on his part and makes him look as all the above I have stated. If he wants supply and demand then he is best making 1/100’s and sticking with that. Anyway you cut it is crap but god forbid we speak up about it. Again this is not people trying to hurt Zombies business but rather help it. The UK has one of the most loyal fan bases, Ringside can certainly see the benefits from having UK business. If others can do it, so can Zombie, not to forget the added income made for exchange rates and those that would cover his 25% complaint about vat. Imagine how rapidly his line would grow and additional talent he could sign going forward.

[newgenandy]

Jun 1, 2021 8:27:12 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

Please read this all the way through as it adds to the discussion from an analytical perspective and isn’t meant to flame or hurt feelings.

The UK is roughly 5% of the population of the US (significantly less if you factor in other parts of North America). The map was never meant to be an apples to apples comparison rather a snarky visual aide that compared something bigger to something smaller. It achieved its goal based upon the reaction it got which gave me a laugh.

Visual aside, you have to respect the difference between market and potential market. So let’s take a look! In this case, it isn’t unreasonable to assume that less than 1% of the UK population are true wrestling fans. Completely rough number but that shrinks us down to 700k which is nothing to sneeze at. Of that number, probably less than 1% are wrestling figure collectors (reducing the market down to 7,000). Again, these aren’t real numbers but they are generous assumptions you can make based off of other analytics like viewership numbers and ticket sales in recent years.

So out of the 7,000 wrestling figure collectors in the UK...I truly wonder how many would actually be interested in non WWE, non AEW products sold exclusively online featuring a strange assortment of wrestlers? Not all would have the means to purchase these even if the desire is there. It would be impossible to calculate that number.

If in fact these figures are made in limited quantities, ZST probably won’t have a problem selling out. If he can move 1,000 to 5,000 units in North America alone, I could understand not wanting to deal with an outside distributor. Maybe that can/will change once the business grows. It could also be a smart business move on his part by intentionally creating second market demand. Not selling overseas is a great way of making that happen.

Nice read and all but if you want to talk facts then summerslam 1992 in London (yes in the uk) is the biggest non wrestlemania crowd in wwe history at 80,000

That beats ‘the big event’ in Toronto 1987 at the peak of hulkamania (which is the second biggest managing only 64,000 or royal rumble 97 (third biggest) which was 60,000 and papered to hell to get that attendance with tickets for literally pennies with promotions and offers

Add to that inside and outside WWE some of the biggest and most popular wrestlers are from the uk

But yeah, no wrestling market in the uk

*figures from 2018

[@Chair.Shot]

Whoever pointed out the mistake in population is 100% correct. I should have said 1/5 and instead wrote out 5% which I will go back and correct. The rest of the points still stand though when it comes to the market size which I would hope that some of you would at least be willing to discuss as a real factor in why someone would choose to hold off on doing business in other markets.

As for the SummerSlam comparison...lol. That was nearly 30 years ago. It isn’t a modern metric. That doesn’t mean a large market isn’t possible but I believe the pre-pandemic numbers would be a better indicator for how sales might do. Both are a bit moot as they don’t give you a feel for how this product would sell. I think ye olde electronic bay wrestling figure sales would be the best public information available when it comes to online sales. ZST is connected though so perhaps some of his other sources have given him some private insight into this area.

[@brit_figs]

This thread made it to twitter, lolllll

LOCKED SOON

[onlymoc21]

Btw I would put money on his new signing is Jeff Jarrett. If that is the case I wish Mattel would have did a Jeff figure. His elite would have been incredible.

[newgenandy]

Jun 1, 2021 15:15:02 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

Btw I would put money on his new signing is Jeff Jarrett. If that is the case I wish Mattel would have did a Jeff figure. His elite would have been incredible.

Is the issue over the trademark settled? I understood there was an issue with TNA/impact holding the JJ name and not Jeff?

[onlymoc21]

Jun 1, 2021 15:45:55 GMT -5 newgenandy said:

Jun 1, 2021 15:15:02 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

Btw I would put money on his new signing is Jeff Jarrett. If that is the case I wish Mattel would have did a Jeff figure. His elite would have been incredible.

Is the issue over the trademark settled? I understood there was an issue with TNA/impact holding the JJ name and not Jeff?

It’s his birth name Jeff Jarrett, WWE owns Double J so that can’t be touched. Attire wise Jeff had somewhat the Double J look in WCW when he was a horseman which would lead me to believe it’s fair game.

[hulkjoegan]

Jun 1, 2021 12:59:27 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

Whoever pointed out the mistake in population is 100% correct. I should have said 1/5 and instead wrote out 5% which I will go back and correct. The rest of the points still stand though when it comes to the market size which I would hope that some of you would at least be willing to discuss as a real factor in why someone would choose to hold off on doing business in other markets.

As for the SummerSlam comparison...lol. That was nearly 30 years ago. It isn’t a modern metric. That doesn’t mean a large market isn’t possible but I believe the pre-pandemic numbers would be a better indicator for how sales might do. Both are a bit moot as they don’t give you a feel for how this product would sell. I think ye olde electronic bay wrestling figure sales would be the best public information available when it comes to online sales. ZST is connected though so perhaps some of his other sources have given him some private insight into this area.

Erm....don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to be a **** singling you out or anything....but aren’t half the figures he’s making from ‘nearly 30 years ago’?

[newgenandy]

Jun 1, 2021 15:51:37 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

Jun 1, 2021 15:45:55 GMT -5 newgenandy said:

Is the issue over the trademark settled? I understood there was an issue with TNA/impact holding the JJ name and not Jeff?

It’s his birth name Jeff Jarrett, WWE owns Double J so that can’t be touched. Attire wise Jeff had somewhat the Double J look in WCW when he was a horseman which would lead me to believe it’s fair game.

I read in the Mattel forum something about the TM but didn’t follow it closely

Could be rnb Greg. Someone suggested that and zombie posted an eye/looking emoji. Could the “fixing of the past” in zombies tweet refer to the Greg not coming out to match honkey?

[onlymoc21]

Jun 1, 2021 16:26:00 GMT -5 newgenandy said:

Jun 1, 2021 15:51:37 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

It’s his birth name Jeff Jarrett, WWE owns Double J so that can’t be touched. Attire wise Jeff had somewhat the Double J look in WCW when he was a horseman which would lead me to believe it’s fair game.

I read in the Mattel forum something about the TM but didn’t follow it closely

Could be rnb Greg. Someone suggested that and zombie posted an eye/looking emoji. Could the “fixing of the past” in zombies tweet refer to the Greg not coming out to match honkey?

Again it would be WWEs IP and Zombie could find himself in some serious hot water if that is the case with Greg, that Gimmick was only used in WWE. Again using his resources this is likely a deal instigated by MWFP and Cardona would have likely played a role in this one, could be Myers also as their would also be somewhat of a relationship with Jefff going back to GFW. But I would say this was mostly Cardona making initial contact. I could be wrong but I don’t think I am. I have not seen that tweet but it could also refer to Jeff’s figure that was due to come out with the Orange card figures and fixing the past etc

[@Chair.Shot]

I hope it’s Bob Sparky Hardcore Therman Plugg Holly

Jun 1, 2021 16:04:10 GMT -5 hulkjoegan said:

Jun 1, 2021 12:59:27 GMT -5 @Chair.Shot said:

Whoever pointed out the mistake in population is 100% correct. I should have said 1/5 and instead wrote out 5% which I will go back and correct. The rest of the points still stand though when it comes to the market size which I would hope that some of you would at least be willing to discuss as a real factor in why someone would choose to hold off on doing business in other markets.

As for the SummerSlam comparison...lol. That was nearly 30 years ago. It isn’t a modern metric. That doesn’t mean a large market isn’t possible but I believe the pre-pandemic numbers would be a better indicator for how sales might do. Both are a bit moot as they don’t give you a feel for how this product would sell. I think ye olde electronic bay wrestling figure sales would be the best public information available when it comes to online sales. ZST is connected though so perhaps some of his other sources have given him some private insight into this area.

Erm....don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to be a **** singling you out or anything....but aren’t half the figures he’s making from ‘nearly 30 years ago’?

That thought crossed my mind but it wasn’t presented clearly as the argument he was trying to make. It doesn’t change what a terrible metric it is to use (almost as bad as the map some bus wanker posted). Many of us are lapsed fans but that becomes an even more difficult area to try and navigate as it can be hard to say who people will have a fondness for (to the degree they will pay money). I thought Techno Team 2000 were the future but I have no desire to spend $39.99 per figure.

[freaqualizer]

I figured if Paul Roma was making the announcement that it would probably be Hercules in Power-esque attire. Just my thoughts.

[freaqualizer]

Yup. Power and Glory. Very cool!

[LA Times]

@classicfan2
Di-Di-Dis-Distribution Problem

Where you at?

[mrh]

I wish Zombie well, but I would be SOOOO disappointing if he signed Jeff Jarrett.

We need a Mattel Jarrett retro to better fit with the original line.