***** ZST Wrestling's HEELS AND FACES Retro Fig Thread *****

[casanova]

Don’t know what’s your issue guys. Cardona looks fantastic and will fit perfectly next to Gorilla Press Warrior, Hogan and Sid Justice. One may debate if Cardona has the same physique as the 3 gentlemen named above, but Hasbro figures haven’t been that exact either.
Looking at Myers I also don’t get how this sculpt isn’t cartoony. Lol
These will blend nicely, probably better than the green series and the weird skin tones.
The only issue I see at the moment is that both figures suffer a little bit of giraffe neck syndrome.

[britishbrickfan]

what concerns me the most here is that Zombie isn't discussing anything about how they will be available for international buyers

for example - what if someone only wants Brody or Sabu, not the wider range? I know I wouldn't want Myers, maybe a Cardona but not that fussed, would prefer the actual legend names instead

but then we've just had Sex Ferguson announced..... again, that will be a hard pass so how can international buyers get hold of the figures they want without the ones they're not interested in?

or is Zombie simply not selling to international buyers at all? if that's the plan, just say so and we'll stop paying attention to a line we're not going to be offered

[Next Manufactured’s Sweater]

Mar 10, 2021 4:47:42 GMT -5 casanova said:

Don’t know what’s your issue guys. Cardona looks fantastic and will fit perfectly next to Gorilla Press Warrior, Hogan and Sid Justice. One may debate if Cardona has the same physique as the 3 gentlemen named above, but Hasbro figures haven’t been that exact either.
Looking at Myers I also don’t get how this sculpt isn’t cartoony. Lol
These will blend nicely, probably better than the green series and the weird skin tones.
The only issue I see at the moment is that both figures suffer a little bit of giraffe neck syndrome.

For me, the Cardona looks a bit too realistic/detailed - I know these are gonna be premium priced so the level of detail is understandable. But most of the Hasbro WWF figures were pretty basic in terms of detail, although there were exceptions like Honky Tonk Man. I guess it's also because in the Hasbro era, the wrestlers themselves mostly had basic single-colour trunks instead of the detailed designs that current wrestlers have.

[onlymoc21]

Mar 10, 2021 5:12:56 GMT -5 Next Manufactured’s Sweater said:

Mar 10, 2021 4:47:42 GMT -5 casanova said:

Don’t know what’s your issue guys. Cardona looks fantastic and will fit perfectly next to Gorilla Press Warrior, Hogan and Sid Justice. One may debate if Cardona has the same physique as the 3 gentlemen named above, but Hasbro figures haven’t been that exact either.
Looking at Myers I also don’t get how this sculpt isn’t cartoony. Lol
These will blend nicely, probably better than the green series and the weird skin tones.
The only issue I see at the moment is that both figures suffer a little bit of giraffe neck syndrome.

For me, the Cardona looks a bit too realistic/detailed - I know these are gonna be premium priced so the level of detail is understandable. But most of the Hasbro WWF figures were pretty basic in terms of detail, although there were exceptions like Honky Tonk Man. I guess it's also because in the Hasbro era, the wrestlers themselves mostly had basic single-colour trunks instead of the detailed designs that current wrestlers have.

This is very well put. I would say the Myers figure is more true to Hasbro, I could be wrong but the Cardona is to jacked, if I put this next to Warrior I would feel the Cardona would look in better shape, Warrior was beyond jacked in comparison to Cardona, but their has definitely been some creative license taken here. I’ll wait to see what packaging is like before I get invested in this line. All we can see are the protos etc but until a line is announced, packaging, and release dates etc it’s all nothing but hype. I feel they just keep doing signing announcements and showing drawings of people. I think they need to start providing clarity on the accessibility of figs and other key information going forward.

[RedDevil]

A bit of talk about the line on this week’s Pod - VintageFigs1 addressed the actions situation and added a bit of details into the decision not to include them, which I really appreciated hearing about. Basically they looked into the actions and it was a financial decision not to go with them as they aren’t really needed for adult collectors like us, which is fair enough I think despite obviously in an ideal world having preferred to have them.

Interestingly he also said something like “imagine we had these Retros at $45 each, people would flip-out” in reference to the Super7 figures that are $45 - so that would indicate that these will not be at the $45 price-point, which was never likely but the way things were being talked-about then we couldn’t have been completely surprised if they’d tried to pull that.

He also said that he’d hope the pre-orders would be up in the next month or so, but sounded like that wasn’t really based on anything outside of his personal hopes.

Also they confirmed that Mark Sterling isn’t in series 1.

[onlymoc21]

Mar 10, 2021 4:53:29 GMT -5 britishbrickfan said:

what concerns me the most here is that Zombie isn't discussing anything about how they will be available for international buyers

for example - what if someone only wants Brody or Sabu, not the wider range? I know I wouldn't want Myers, maybe a Cardona but not that fussed, would prefer the actual legend names instead

but then we've just had Sex Ferguson announced..... again, that will be a hard pass so how can international buyers get hold of the figures they want without the ones they're not interested in?

or is Zombie simply not selling to international buyers at all? if that's the plan, just say so and we'll stop paying attention to a line we're not going to be offered

Again very well put sir. As in UK buyer also I feel Zombie is not hearing the concerns of the international buyer. Which I think if it’s not resolved it will impact his business going forward, he wants to take care of his homeland and that’s commendable, but international buyers always pay that added cost, on the figure and on shipping. He has the possibility to make a global project and if anything he is limiting himself. Really he needs to work out how to cater to international buyers to help his business not hinder it. Right away he is leaving money on the table. If he does sort this aspect I for one hope extra care is taken of international buyers in terms of packaging and posting as he himself is well aware of the added cost involved for shipping.

[RedDevil]

Mar 10, 2021 4:53:29 GMT -5 britishbrickfan said:

what concerns me the most here is that Zombie isn't discussing anything about how they will be available for international buyers

for example - what if someone only wants Brody or Sabu, not the wider range? I know I wouldn't want Myers, maybe a Cardona but not that fussed, would prefer the actual legend names instead

but then we've just had Sex Ferguson announced..... again, that will be a hard pass so how can international buyers get hold of the figures they want without the ones they're not interested in?

or is Zombie simply not selling to international buyers at all? if that's the plan, just say so and we'll stop paying attention to a line we're not going to be offered

Zombie has at least spoken about international customers, which is encouraging - he certainly seems to be getting regular questions on this issue on social media, so until we get a firm “no” then I think we’ll get there in the end.

Zombie will certainly know that the UK is likely his second-biggest market after the US (maybe Canada?) so I’d think there is enough motivation for him to make it work, but clearly he has a lot of work to do right now.

It is disappointing that he has ruled-out teaming with someone over here like Chella have done in the US as that could potentially save us UK customers having to factor-in international shipping and customs/VAT into our orders. With the Major Pod opening a UK merchandise store with WrestleMerchCentral then maybe that could’ve been an option, but I’m sure that has been explored. 

Maybe WrestlingTrader or someone will import a significant number over to sell-on to the rest of us, which sometimes works-out better for us with Mattel products, etc.

But regardless I’ve already mentioned this to some of the folks in the US that I know, just in case I have to order through them and ask them send the figures on to me - I don’t want to miss-out on these.

[guster]

International buyers need to chill out for a minute. Zombie is embarking on a process he's never been apart of before - producing an original action figure line. I'd imagine most, if not all of his focus right now, is getting these figures produced which a very time consuming process. Distribution is a completely different challenge and we'll get to that road when we get there. In business, sometimes it's best to not say anything at all if you don't know the answers yet. He doesn't know yet, BUT he also hasn't come out and said these are exclusive only to the US. If he says that directly, then it's time to freak out.

[britishbrickfan]

Mar 10, 2021 17:46:05 GMT -5 guster said:

International buyers need to chill out for a minute. Zombie is embarking on a process he's never been apart of before - producing an original action figure line. I'd imagine most, if not all of his focus right now, is getting these figures produced which a very time consuming process. Distribution is a completely different challenge and we'll get to that road when we get there. In business, sometimes it's best to not say anything at all if you don't know the answers yet. He doesn't know yet, BUT he also hasn't come out and said these are exclusive only to the US. If he says that directly, then it's time to freak out.

I appreciate that this is all new to him, but I'm hardly asking for full details about the whole process including prices for shipping etc.... I'm just saying that the reluctance to confirm (or deny) whether international customers will be able to buy these from day 1 speaks volumes for those of us who would happily buy, if we are able to.

like I said - the 2 key questions are:

1) will international buyers be able to buy on day of release, or is this limited to US/Canada only?

2) will international buyers be able to buy just the figures they want (as singles or doubles for MOC/loose display) from the range?

I know many MWFP fans will love having Matt/Brian figures, as well as others like Sterling or whoever. Personally, I couldn't care less about those figures, just like Danhausen etc. For me it's the legends and the "big" names that I'd be interested to buy, and I'm sure many others would be the same.

If there are no plans for international buyers to be able to buy only the figures they want, on day of release, then just say as much and we can decide whether to continue to pay attention in the line if it's not available to us. I dont see a Myers or Sterling figure having much of a secondary market outside of the initial buyers, so I'd be wary about being forced to buy a figure I'm not interested in, just to get a Sabu or Dino

[guster]

Mar 10, 2021 17:46:05 GMT -5 guster said:

In business, sometimes it's best to not say anything at all if you don't know the answers yet.

[Mr Angry Cena]

They look great. Absolutely awesome to have figures like these being released in 2021. I’m excited to see the final product in the coming months.

[mrh]

Mar 10, 2021 4:53:29 GMT -5 britishbrickfan said:

what concerns me the most here is that Zombie isn't discussing anything about how they will be available for international buyers

for example - what if someone only wants Brody or Sabu, not the wider range? I know I wouldn't want Myers, maybe a Cardona but not that fussed, would prefer the actual legend names instead

but then we've just had Sex Ferguson announced..... again, that will be a hard pass so how can international buyers get hold of the figures they want without the ones they're not interested in?

or is Zombie simply not selling to international buyers at all? if that's the plan, just say so and we'll stop paying attention to a line we're not going to be offered

Agree -- some of the business decisions are puzzling. I simply cannot imagine that enough people would ever want a Sex Fergson retro to make it financially worthwhile --I hope they can do different size production runs for the figures

[onlymoc21]

Mar 10, 2021 23:34:15 GMT -5 guster said:

Mar 10, 2021 17:46:05 GMT -5 guster said:

In business, sometimes it's best to not say anything at all if you don't know the answers yet.

I would hope he would not be hiding behind such narrow thinking. Again just with his contacts and friends who are in the business and ship international, this actually should not be a hard thing for him to work out, and to have no comment on it at all speaks volumes to what he thinks of international buyers, I don’t think uk buyers need to chill at all, as all to often international buyers get the short end of the stock with regards to collecting, so you need to appreciate not everyone is in the same boat. If I was in his boots I would find a solution quick if I seen the UK/international buyers as going to be a big market for a product I was developing. That’s supply and demand.

[casanova]

Mar 11, 2021 5:09:00 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

Mar 10, 2021 23:34:15 GMT -5 guster said:

I would hope he would not be hiding behind such narrow thinking. Again just with his contacts and friends who are in the business and ship international, this actually should not be a hard thing for him to work out, and to have no comment on it at all speaks volumes to what he thinks of international buyers, I don’t think uk buyers need to chill at all, as all to often international buyers get the short end of the stock with regards to collecting, so you need to appreciate not everyone is in the same boat. If I was in his boots I would find a solution quick if I seen the UK/international buyers as going to be a big market for a product I was developing. That’s supply and demand.

So we have US buyers, Canada, UK and internationals? Weird.

If you really want these, you will get your chance, even ZST is not offering them for UK but internationals only. 😉
It’s no magic to generate a US address. 🥂

[speakeasy]

Mar 10, 2021 15:18:22 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

Mar 10, 2021 5:12:56 GMT -5 Next Manufactured’s Sweater said:

For me, the Cardona looks a bit too realistic/detailed - I know these are gonna be premium priced so the level of detail is understandable. But most of the Hasbro WWF figures were pretty basic in terms of detail, although there were exceptions like Honky Tonk Man. I guess it's also because in the Hasbro era, the wrestlers themselves mostly had basic single-colour trunks instead of the detailed designs that current wrestlers have.

This is very well put. I would say the Myers figure is more true to Hasbro, I could be wrong but the Cardona is to jacked, if I put this next to Warrior I would feel the Cardona would look in better shape, Warrior was beyond jacked in comparison to Cardona, but their has definitely been some creative license taken here. I’ll wait to see what packaging is like before I get invested in this line. All we can see are the protos etc but until a line is announced, packaging, and release dates etc it’s all nothing but hype. I feel they just keep doing signing announcements and showing drawings of people. I think they need to start providing clarity on the accessibility of figs and other key information going forward.

I hear what you're saying, but it's a first-time line and I assume we're still at least a year away from these actually hitting the market. That's plenty of time to provide clarity on price-point, etc. Everything right now is being done to get people excited...

[@Chair.Shot]

Mar 10, 2021 17:46:05 GMT -5 guster said:

International buyers need to chill out for a minute. Zombie is embarking on a process he's never been apart of before - producing an original action figure line. I'd imagine most, if not all of his focus right now, is getting these figures produced which a very time consuming process. Distribution is a completely different challenge and we'll get to that road when we get there. In business, sometimes it's best to not say anything at all if you don't know the answers yet. He doesn't know yet, BUT he also hasn't come out and said these are exclusive only to the US. If he says that directly, then it's time to freak out.

So much this. Every thread about things for sale (not just this forum) has people from the international community flipping their shlt about needing to know when and how things are available to them. The answer is pretty much always the same: we will be looking into it and have more information for you when we can.

Zombie is probably no different than a lot of people who run small operations: you have to figure out the logistics that affect your bottom line/your investments the most. International customers probably are a small piece of that pie. Although they are important to you as potential customers, they aren’t your biggest market nor will you likely make a larger profit from selling to them.

In regards to getting the short end of the stick: That’s what happens when you follow something that is not primarily based in your country. We all face it in some way or another.

[crush]

Mar 10, 2021 15:18:22 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

Mar 10, 2021 5:12:56 GMT -5 Next Manufactured’s Sweater said:

For me, the Cardona looks a bit too realistic/detailed - I know these are gonna be premium priced so the level of detail is understandable. But most of the Hasbro WWF figures were pretty basic in terms of detail, although there were exceptions like Honky Tonk Man. I guess it's also because in the Hasbro era, the wrestlers themselves mostly had basic single-colour trunks instead of the detailed designs that current wrestlers have.

This is very well put. I would say the Myers figure is more true to Hasbro, I could be wrong but the Cardona is to jacked, if I put this next to Warrior I would feel the Cardona would look in better shape, Warrior was beyond jacked in comparison to Cardona, but their has definitely been some creative license taken here. I’ll wait to see what packaging is like before I get invested in this line. All we can see are the protos etc but until a line is announced, packaging, and release dates etc it’s all nothing but hype. I feel they just keep doing signing announcements and showing drawings of people. I think they need to start providing clarity on the accessibility of figs and other key information going forward.

LOL, I wouldn't go that far.

[RedDevil]

Mar 11, 2021 11:33:39 GMT -5 speakeasy said:

Mar 10, 2021 15:18:22 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

This is very well put. I would say the Myers figure is more true to Hasbro, I could be wrong but the Cardona is to jacked, if I put this next to Warrior I would feel the Cardona would look in better shape, Warrior was beyond jacked in comparison to Cardona, but their has definitely been some creative license taken here. I’ll wait to see what packaging is like before I get invested in this line. All we can see are the protos etc but until a line is announced, packaging, and release dates etc it’s all nothing but hype. I feel they just keep doing signing announcements and showing drawings of people. I think they need to start providing clarity on the accessibility of figs and other key information going forward.

I hear what you're saying, but it's a first-time line and I assume we're still at least a year away from these actually hitting the market. That's plenty of time to provide clarity on price-point, etc. Everything right now is being done to get people excited...

Q3 this year seems to be the target for the first series, but of course we wait to hear formally where we stand.

[newgenandy]

I do like these as figures and applaud Zombie for what he’s done.

But what these, plus the retros, plus chella all show is how unique the hasbro’s were. I can’t put my finger on it. It’s not the cartoony aspect as people have said, it’s not the detail...it’s just a certain something.

You know when you listen to podcasts, shoot interviews etc and people talk about “it” like “so and so was a good hand but just didn’t have it” but they can’t put into words what “it” was, well that’s how I feel about hasbros.

Maybe it was due to the manufacturing process, the type of plastic used, who knows.

[onlymoc21]

Mar 11, 2021 13:33:54 GMT -5 crush said:

Mar 10, 2021 15:18:22 GMT -5 onlymoc21 said:

This is very well put. I would say the Myers figure is more true to Hasbro, I could be wrong but the Cardona is to jacked, if I put this next to Warrior I would feel the Cardona would look in better shape, Warrior was beyond jacked in comparison to Cardona, but their has definitely been some creative license taken here. I’ll wait to see what packaging is like before I get invested in this line. All we can see are the protos etc but until a line is announced, packaging, and release dates etc it’s all nothing but hype. I feel they just keep doing signing announcements and showing drawings of people. I think they need to start providing clarity on the accessibility of figs and other key information going forward.

LOL, I wouldn't go that far.

Not far off but I see your point. 😂 That Warrior was my childhood.