The Coach
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Post by The Coach on Sept 20, 2020 10:48:10 GMT -5
My Son's 7 years old. For Christmas last year "Father Christmas" 😉 got him a LOAD of basics to boost his collection. In the last year or so he's discovered elites, ultimates etc and basics aren't going to cut it this year 😭 Poor old Father Christmas and his flimsy wallet Is Father Christmas just Krampus or is it Mick Foley as Santa Claus?
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 20, 2020 11:06:38 GMT -5
Basics exist for headswaps. My son’s collection are all basics with no true-FX. But my elites look fantastic.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 20, 2020 11:27:54 GMT -5
and you will see it again in another 7 weeks and another after that 🤔 Yeah people don’t understand the reason for price points. Basic cost a certain amount to produce. Elites cost a certain amount to produce. Cancelling a line doesn’t make the other one any cheaper to produce. Basics have their place, and there are some gems every so often, still. Lars Sullivan was a great basic, as was Mike Kanellis. It just depends on the figure. Parents will buy basics, though. It’s cost effective. From the looks of it, those 2 guys are going to be exclusive to Basics although Mattel was right to release them that way.
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 20, 2020 13:19:10 GMT -5
My Son's 7 years old. For Christmas last year "Father Christmas" 😉 got him a LOAD of basics to boost his collection. In the last year or so he's discovered elites, ultimates etc and basics aren't going to cut it this year 😭 Poor old Father Christmas and his flimsy wallet Is Father Christmas just Krampus or is it Mick Foley as Santa Claus? My kids have basics, elites, San Diego comic con and ringside exclusives they play with. Out of hundreds of figures bashed around daily over 3 years 1 has broken - a ruby riot and that’s because her legs were stiff. With how durable they are all Mattel figures are great and worth the investment imo even for play Incidentally the only Hasbro figures he has ever broke all have the pullback punch mechanism (papa shango, Tito) so that must be a week point
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peejay8t8
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Post by peejay8t8 on Sept 20, 2020 13:46:22 GMT -5
My Son's 7 years old. For Christmas last year "Father Christmas" 😉 got him a LOAD of basics to boost his collection. In the last year or so he's discovered elites, ultimates etc and basics aren't going to cut it this year 😭 Poor old Father Christmas and his flimsy wallet Is Father Christmas just Krampus or is it Mick Foley as Santa Claus? I don't know. Santino was going to tell us all but John "Chain-a" spoiled it
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Thunder Chunky
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 20, 2020 14:12:46 GMT -5
I'm going to do my best to explain how the budget works in a simple way so that hopefully people can quit saying they should cancel Basics or some other subline and push all that money to the Elite. I'm going to be using made up numbers here. Say it costs $15 to make an Elite that sells for 20 dollars. $5 to make a Basic that sells for $10. If Mattel cancels the basic figures and uses that budget for Elites, then the elites would cost $20 to make. They aren't going to sell toys right at the break even point. So the price of elites would go up to cover the cost of higher budget. And then, Mattel isnt going to want to spend more money just to make the amount they were making before. So the price of the Elites would rise by more than $5 so they can make their money. Elites would be around $27 or so. There are way too many posts around here saying that Mattel should cancel so and so line to add to the elites budget and make them cheaper, but the opposite of that would be true. First off let me sad I do NOT believe Basics should go away. They are for kids and they probably outsell Elites 5x over Just wanted to ask, using your logic about budget, I get that with the Basics/Elites comparison, but where do all the other doomed to fail from the launch lines factor in? Zombies, Monsters, Tough Talkers, Flex Force, Rumblers, etc Wouldn’t the money / cost of time / molds, end up as a huge loss? Wouldn’t that effect the overall pot of money to be spent on the core Basics and Elites? As far as I know, each sub line has it's own budget. That's why a few years back that the Mutants line still had the old basic articulation while the basics had the new.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Sept 21, 2020 1:23:42 GMT -5
Children. Great marketing. You can mass produce the s*** out of em.
Think of how many Orange Arm Band Cena's came out in basic form in 2010. And how frequently we get the same Strowman, lots of Rollins, Reign's and Styles. Even if they're just slightly different attires, or the same exact one. It's perfect to reach children. You can mass produce them for cheaper. Easier and simpler I think on the parents in terms of just seeing the product and getting it. And kids are gonna eat them up. Basic's are great idea.
Personally there has been some really good basics. I moved toward collecting Elites after 2015. However I did buy the new basic Edge. And I bought the Basic 100 HBK (Which should is the golden standard of what a great basic action figure is). If I see a really cool attire and the figure don't look to bad i'll get it. But, something after like 2016 made me hate basics. But Mattel has there marketing down.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Sept 21, 2020 1:26:11 GMT -5
Those all are some really examples of good basic figures.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Sept 21, 2020 1:34:27 GMT -5
I'm going to do my best to explain how the budget works in a simple way so that hopefully people can quit saying they should cancel Basics or some other subline and push all that money to the Elite. I'm going to be using made up numbers here. Say it costs $15 to make an Elite that sells for 20 dollars. $5 to make a Basic that sells for $10. If Mattel cancels the basic figures and uses that budget for Elites, then the elites would cost $20 to make. They aren't going to sell toys right at the break even point. So the price of elites would go up to cover the cost of higher budget. And then, Mattel isnt going to want to spend more money just to make the amount they were making before. So the price of the Elites would rise by more than $5 so they can make their money. Elites would be around $27 or so. There are way too many posts around here saying that Mattel should cancel so and so line to add to the elites budget and make them cheaper, but the opposite of that would be true. First off let me sad I do NOT believe Basics should go away. They are for kids and they probably outsell Elites 5x over Just wanted to ask, using your logic about budget, I get that with the Basics/Elites comparison, but where do all the other doomed to fail from the launch lines factor in? Zombies, Monsters, Tough Talkers, Flex Force, Rumblers, etc Wouldn’t the money / cost of time / molds, end up as a huge loss? Wouldn’t that effect the overall pot of money to be spent on the core Basics and Elites? I think it's pretty selective those models. I think like the play-ability for Rumblers was so limited. Flex Force were the only ones I was shocked didn't take of with kids. Because you could do some fun stuff with them. But I think myself as kid I was always reality oriented. So, I just wanted the standard action figures. And I think Flex Force/Tough Talkers/Zombies/Rumblers are for even younger children like 7 years old and younger. When I was 8, I did all the RA/DA/CS/ DC Jakks lines. I had Micro Aggression as a kid, because I just liked how cool they looked on my desk. I think the children market needs a stiff divide in Older Kids/ Younger Kids. I don't think much of the budget was pumped into this things. Because they were just side release lines. And they didn't release as much. I just think they're good for the fluttering imagination that's growing in child that's like 3-7. I think most 8 years old try to recreate they're own WWE in weird sense or just want something compatible to wrestle a friend with. But with electronics, I really don't know how a kid in 2020 invests his passion with WWE as I did.
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wheeljack83
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Post by wheeljack83 on Sept 21, 2020 2:29:35 GMT -5
Basics are for the younger kids who still want action figures and give parents a cheaper budget option. I see plenty of WWE parents on Twitter getting their kids the basics.
A child who is younger just wants an action figure of his favorite wrestler and doesn't care as much about ball jointed hips and shoulders and the ab crunch. For kids, the basics get the job done.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 21, 2020 8:54:31 GMT -5
First off let me sad I do NOT believe Basics should go away. They are for kids and they probably outsell Elites 5x over Just wanted to ask, using your logic about budget, I get that with the Basics/Elites comparison, but where do all the other doomed to fail from the launch lines factor in? Zombies, Monsters, Tough Talkers, Flex Force, Rumblers, etc Wouldn’t the money / cost of time / molds, end up as a huge loss? Wouldn’t that effect the overall pot of money to be spent on the core Basics and Elites? I think it's pretty selective those models. I think like the play-ability for Rumblers was so limited. Flex Force were the only ones I was shocked didn't take of with kids. Because you could do some fun stuff with them. But I think myself as kid I was always reality oriented. So, I just wanted the standard action figures. And I think Flex Force/Tough Talkers/Zombies/Rumblers are for even younger children like 7 years old and younger. When I was 8, I did all the RA/DA/CS/ DC Jakks lines. I had Micro Aggression as a kid, because I just liked how cool they looked on my desk. I think the children market needs a stiff divide in Older Kids/ Younger Kids. I don't think much of the budget was pumped into this things. Because they were just side release lines. And they didn't release as much. I just think they're good for the fluttering imagination that's growing in child that's like 3-7. I think most 8 years old try to recreate they're own WWE in weird sense or just want something compatible to wrestle a friend with. But with electronics, I really don't know how a kid in 2020 invests his passion with WWE as I did. A problem with the Mutants and Monsters line was that there was nothing to sell the product. There shouldve been some kind of a WWE Mutants vs Monsters online cartoon series. It looked like a brainfart that was tossed out and had people asking why is Brock Lesnar a lobster.
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darkestknight
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Post by darkestknight on Sept 21, 2020 12:09:50 GMT -5
Basics exist for headswaps. My son’s collection are all basics with no true-FX. But my elites look fantastic. Sadly I've done this a few times 😂
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Post by shanieomaniac on Sept 22, 2020 5:06:27 GMT -5
*sigh*
Once again, I see we are having this discussion.
And once again I will remind you what section of the store these items are sold in.
WWE Figures aren't your Diamond Selects, sold in the comic shop for specialty collectors. They aren't even your holiday barbies in a special rack for parents who like keepsake dolls.
They're right there in the toy aisle, between He-Man and Power Rangers.
They have a target audience and guess what? We aren't it.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Sept 22, 2020 5:09:07 GMT -5
I think it's pretty selective those models. I think like the play-ability for Rumblers was so limited. Flex Force were the only ones I was shocked didn't take of with kids. Because you could do some fun stuff with them. But I think myself as kid I was always reality oriented. So, I just wanted the standard action figures. And I think Flex Force/Tough Talkers/Zombies/Rumblers are for even younger children like 7 years old and younger. When I was 8, I did all the RA/DA/CS/ DC Jakks lines. I had Micro Aggression as a kid, because I just liked how cool they looked on my desk. I think the children market needs a stiff divide in Older Kids/ Younger Kids. I don't think much of the budget was pumped into this things. Because they were just side release lines. And they didn't release as much. I just think they're good for the fluttering imagination that's growing in child that's like 3-7. I think most 8 years old try to recreate they're own WWE in weird sense or just want something compatible to wrestle a friend with. But with electronics, I really don't know how a kid in 2020 invests his passion with WWE as I did. A problem with the Mutants and Monsters line was that there was nothing to sell the product. There shouldve been some kind of a WWE Mutants vs Monsters online cartoon series. It looked like a brainfart that was tossed out and had people asking why is Brock Lesnar a lobster. You know, for a long time I was contemplating buying the Zombie's Charlotte for the sole reason of having a peacock robed Charlotte. I just never pulled the trigger. Now I have UE Charlotte coming and I'm glad I didn't
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Post by JCF on Sept 22, 2020 7:30:39 GMT -5
The basic line died to me when the articulation changed. Since then maybe I've picked up less than 10 in the few years
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Post by Jeremiah on Sept 22, 2020 8:37:10 GMT -5
The new basics i call core. Basics died at series 77 i believe.
Gotta have little fed displays
Core has everyone without an elite except lee.
And basic has everyone without an elite
I wont collect ultimate my warrior broke after 2 weeks not worth the hassle
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Eric
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Post by Eric on Sept 22, 2020 15:41:43 GMT -5
The basic line died to me when the articulation changed. Since then maybe I've picked up less than 10 in the few years It really was a move that Mattel probably thought was minor (and maybe is to kids and the parents that buy them toys), but I'm with you. It pretty much killed the line to me, save buying them for a head swap as others have mentioned. It was an egregious change in my eyes.
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Post by GBGav on Sept 22, 2020 16:29:26 GMT -5
A few days ago I saw a mother with two kids, maybe around 8 or 9 years old. She told them they could either get one elite or wrekkin' figure, or two basics. They went for the two basics. Think one of them picked up Shinsuke and Rollins. As a kid this is a no brainer. You get as many as you're allowed to build up your roster to play with.
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Post by JCF on Sept 22, 2020 20:04:13 GMT -5
The basic line died to me when the articulation changed. Since then maybe I've picked up less than 10 in the few years It really was a move that Mattel probably thought was minor (and maybe is to kids and the parents that buy them toys), but I'm with you. It pretty much killed the line to me, save buying them for a head swap as others have mentioned. It was an egregious change in my eyes. The quality went to crap too. They just suck.
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Post by rastlinfigures on Sept 22, 2020 22:13:00 GMT -5
Cheap figures for kids, who are the main customers.
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