Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 11, 2020 17:29:31 GMT -5
It wasn't a work. I put more of the blame on Vince here to be honest. Vince puts the belt on Bret @sslam 97 despite knowing that he is going to have serious upcoming issues with him & that Taker vs HBK is his main feud moving into Winter...I mean WTF is he thinking here? At this point he knows he is going to back out of the contract and tell Bret to go to WCW but he still makes him champ? Vince's fears about the belt showing up on WCW are totally baseless. Turner executives would NEVER have allowed it and Bischoff wouldn't have done it. Turner was in sh*te up to their neck over the case with WWF concerning WWF property being on TV(womens belt) & Hall acting like Razor. Gerry McDevitt would have told Vince this... Vince's claims that he hadn't got the money to reatin Brets services were also baseless. look at the $$$ he splashed on Tyson. This is what happened....Vince was tired of Bret & high on his darling HBK. He seen more of a future in the soon to be DX (Correct decision) than Hart. he thought if he fed Bret a fable about being broke & told him to bounce to WCW with his permission to make the bug bucks for a few years then come home it would be all good. Of course in his heart he needed Bret to job to HBK on the way out....HBK was also likely in his ear about this amongst constant threats to take himself down south. When Hart didn't go along willingly 100% with everything? We got trouble....by the time of IYH Ground Zero the trouble had started in earnest after One Night Only & he had his chance there to get the title off Bret. Bad Blood came and went still no change..... IMO its all on Vince. Hart didnt want to drop to HBK & thats fine...Vince shouldnt have allowed it to go into that 30 days. arrogance.... All of this. Bret should have just dropped it to Shamrock, Vader or Undertaker so one of them could transition it to Shawn a week later.
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Ohtimate Wahriah
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 12, 2020 18:57:37 GMT -5
I think the best thing about the Montreal Screwjob was the realization that they spent all this effort looking for a finish that made everybody happy and eventually resorted to screwing Bret Hart for real. Had that same thing been pitched to Bret as a work, it would have been the perfect finish to please all parties. A screw job was the perfect work/shoot finish. The only problem was they screwed Bret for real instead of screwing him as a work
It’s 100% not a work though. Just watch that Bret vs Shawn dvd and watch Bret talk about it. You don’t cry like that unless it hurt and still hurts. That’s real emotion.
McMahon never learned his lessons either as he did all this for Shawn who retired for 4 years only 4 months later
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rateddal
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Post by rateddal on Jul 14, 2020 19:32:01 GMT -5
I know finances were not good and his contract was an albatross but I always wondered if they could have kept Bret around til Mania to drop it to Austin. Would've been a nice bow to their rivalry.
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 14, 2020 19:52:50 GMT -5
I might be one of the few that feels there’s a little bit of blame to go around for everyone that was involved.
Bret could’ve done business on his way out, seeing what a difficult spot he was putting the company in... but he didn’t. Shawn could have been less of a d**k to Bret and well everyone pretty much and avoided this... but he wasn’t Triple H and Vince didn’t have to do everything behind Bret’s back...but they did. Creative could have done something else other than to put two nuclear egomaniacs in the same match... but they didn’t
Way I see it, and all the stories that I’ve heard about it, every one that was involved shares a bit of the blame and regret on what happened that night.
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Post by k5 on Jul 14, 2020 20:34:26 GMT -5
I might be one of the few that feels there’s a little bit of blame to go around for everyone that was involved. Bret could’ve done business on his way out, seeing what a difficult spot he was putting the company in... but he didn’t. Shawn could have been less of a d**k to Bret and well everyone pretty much and avoided this... but he wasn’t Triple H and Vince didn’t have to do everything behind Bret’s back...but they did. Creative could have done something else other than to put two nuclear egomaniacs in the same match... but they didn’t Way I see it, and all the stories that I’ve heard about it, every one that was involved shares a bit of the blame and regret on what happened that night. you can debate blame, but Bret has zero regret nor do I think he should. soon as HBK said he wouldn't do business for Bret, all bets were off. up until then Bret had been the professional despite ongoing disrespect to both his extended family and marriage.
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 15, 2020 0:24:53 GMT -5
I might be one of the few that feels there’s a little bit of blame to go around for everyone that was involved. Bret could’ve done business on his way out, seeing what a difficult spot he was putting the company in... but he didn’t. Shawn could have been less of a d**k to Bret and well everyone pretty much and avoided this... but he wasn’t Triple H and Vince didn’t have to do everything behind Bret’s back...but they did. Creative could have done something else other than to put two nuclear egomaniacs in the same match... but they didn’t Way I see it, and all the stories that I’ve heard about it, every one that was involved shares a bit of the blame and regret on what happened that night. you can debate blame, but Bret has zero regret nor do I think he should. soon as HBK said he wouldn't do business for Bret, all bets were off. up until then Bret had been the professional despite ongoing disrespect to both his extended family and marriage. I think that’s the old saying two wrongs don’t make a right. Can’t exactly vindicate Bret of his actions because of Shawns. I understand why he did what he did completely but I’m not saying he’s in the right either. Bret might have zero regret but who’s the guy that keeps talking about it to this day in every interview he’s on? Its not Vince, it’s not Shawn, certainly isn’t Triple H. It’s sad really because most of this generation doesn’t see Bret for the awesome matches he put on with guys like Bulldog, Owen, and Perfect. They see a guy that keeps living in the past. Angry about Montreal, angry about Goldberg, angry about how he was used towards the end of his run. Again completely within his right to be mad about all of those things, but I feel like his legacy at this point is being most remembered for it. I mean if you were doing a word association with Bret Hart, screwjob would be the first thing on most people’s minds.
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Post by The Brain on Jul 20, 2020 18:02:49 GMT -5
Looking back on this mess almost 23 years later, All I can say is I wish Bret had a better ending to his WWF run.
Also this incident led to Vince leaving the booth which is a shame as I really enjoyed the team of him,JR and King that year.One of the very few 3 man teams I liked.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 15:48:28 GMT -5
Looking back on this mess almost 23 years later, All I can say is I wish Bret had a better ending to his WWF run. Also this incident led to Vince leaving the booth which is a shame as I really enjoyed the team of him,JR and King that year.One of the very few 3 man teams I liked. Did you watch at all when he returned in 2010?
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Post by The Brain on Jul 21, 2020 15:59:47 GMT -5
Looking back on this mess almost 23 years later, All I can say is I wish Bret had a better ending to his WWF run. Also this incident led to Vince leaving the booth which is a shame as I really enjoyed the team of him,JR and King that year.One of the very few 3 man teams I liked. Did you watch at all when he returned in 2010? Nope.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 23, 2020 20:30:22 GMT -5
you can debate blame, but Bret has zero regret nor do I think he should. soon as HBK said he wouldn't do business for Bret, all bets were off. up until then Bret had been the professional despite ongoing disrespect to both his extended family and marriage. I think that’s the old saying two wrongs don’t make a right. Can’t exactly vindicate Bret of his actions because of Shawns. I understand why he did what he did completely but I’m not saying he’s in the right either. Bret might have zero regret but who’s the guy that keeps talking about it to this day in every interview he’s on? Its not Vince, it’s not Shawn, certainly isn’t Triple H. It’s sad really because most of this generation doesn’t see Bret for the awesome matches he put on with guys like Bulldog, Owen, and Perfect. They see a guy that keeps living in the past. Angry about Montreal, angry about Goldberg, angry about how he was used towards the end of his run. Again completely within his right to be mad about all of those things, but I feel like his legacy at this point is being most remembered for it. I mean if you were doing a word association with Bret Hart, screwjob would be the first thing on most people’s minds. As Jim Cornette once told me, "Bret Hart's biggest fan is Bret Hart"
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